The ONLY word for this is tragic

[The T]

What's the word and what makes it tragic?

Well the word is tragic. And what makes it tragic is the fact that it's causing employers not to hire more employees, to cut the hours of existing employees, and/or to drop healthcare coverage altogether for their employees.

I can't imagine how there could be even the slightest positive spin placed on this sad reality...

And most being hired now are part time.

 

[velvtacheeze]

The GOP's refusal to do anything about decreasing the number of uninsured Americans will cost them until the fold on the issue. The GOP's ideas to make it easier for doctors & hospitals to get away with their mistakes in courtrooms will cost them.

But keep resisting. The GOP recalcitrance on the issue will eventually lead to Medicare For All, which is the left's ultimate goal, and will be realized.

The left also wanted to add medicines to Medicare, and the anti-GOP demonization campaign worked so well on the issue, that the GOP folded like a cheap lawn chair and passed Medicare D all by themselves, while in control of Congress and the White House. Suckers.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You are all failing to realize the big picture, how the hell are they going to enforce all this nonsense when the American sheeple are continuing cling to guns along with the American legal system in place.
Eg. A law is created that says:
Sex with children of all ages is permissible, RAP doesn't exist.
How is that going to stop a bullet or bullets stredding up the flesh of a pedophile or rapist ........... it won't.
Now lets bring in the American legal system.
You have been charged for infringing upon the rights of this man to FUCK you child in the ass by using your legally obtained firearms to shoot him ............. how do you pled?
I would like to consult with my attorney before entering a plea.
You see where this is going ......... regardless the outcome of the trial, the sheeple have a leg to stand on.
So we need fool the sheeple into giving up the guns WILLINGLY, then tear down the legal system thats protecting the sheeple, put all them damb lawyers & judges in jail or just kill em.

Are you on LSD, boy?

 

[chikenwing]

How many of these lowlifes have cell phones, eat out, go to the movies, etc. etc... Oh, they have the money, they just did not consider insurance a priority until someone else had to help pay for it.

Frigging slackers

-Geaux

Right. Because having to pay $1200 out of pocket every month for a private ins plan is exactly the same as paying a $60/month cell phone bill or eating out every once in a while.

There are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

 

[Immanuel]

Here's the PROUD part. Remember it well. NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR IT. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

I know you won't like this but it is a darned good bet that when they do get power again, they will "see the light" just as Obama did with the Patriot Act and take advantage of the shit the Dems handed us. They will blame the Dems, but take control just the same. They will come up with excuse after excuse as to why they can't touch it.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Yeah right... People wear bracelets and such which has that information.

Its important to know about your hemi's, yet it's not important to require voter ID so you can vote the morons in that make stupid laws like Obamacare w/databases?

-Geaux

Maybe I forgot to put the braclet on this morning. Maybe it's under the car that hit me. Maybe I lost the arm it was attached to.

Every study has proven that putting medical information on a database reduces accidents and improves the quality of care.

Having the info in database is fine. Giving the gov't access to that private medical information isn't.

Bingo!

 

[Flopper]

How many of these lowlifes have cell phones, eat out, go to the movies, etc. etc... Oh, they have the money, they just did not consider insurance a priority until someone else had to help pay for it.

Frigging slackers

-Geaux

Right. Because having to pay $1200 out of pocket every month for a private ins plan is exactly the same as paying a $60/month cell phone bill or eating out every once in a while.

There are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

$1200 a month???

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[The T]

Yeah right... People wear bracelets and such which has that information.

Its important to know about your hemi's, yet it's not important to require voter ID so you can vote the morons in that make stupid laws like Obamacare w/databases?

-Geaux

Maybe I forgot to put the braclet on this morning. Maybe it's under the car that hit me. Maybe I lost the arm it was attached to.

Every study has proven that putting medical information on a database reduces accidents and improves the quality of care.

Having the info in database is fine. Giving the gov't access to that private medical information isn't.

Especially the IRS.

 

[J.E.D]

Right. Because having to pay $1200 out of pocket every month for a private ins plan is exactly the same as paying a $60/month cell phone bill or eating out every once in a while.

There are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

$1200 a month???

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Exactly. Thanks to Obamacare.

 

[Immanuel]

Right. Because having to pay $1200 out of pocket every month for a private ins plan is exactly the same as paying a $60/month cell phone bill or eating out every once in a while.

There are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

$1200 a month???

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Even if that is true and not including the expected governmental "gift", aka subsidies, that is two frigging car payments! Seeing as how their is a damned good chance employers will drop coverage all together or cut hours (and wages) allowing them to not cover health insurance for their work staff, how many are suddenly going to be able to pick up the cost of two new car payments?

"Congratulations, Mr. New York, your monthly insurance bill is now only $600. We're sorry to hear that your nasty employer cut your hours to 28/wk cutting your weekly check by $250 and that the nasty employer no longer pays for your insurance as they have in the past. Life sucks, doesn't it? Well give us your vote next year and we will pass laws that will make him pay.

Please send your monthly payment to PO Box..."

Yippee!!!

Immie

 

[Geaux4it]

there are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

$1200 a month???

health plan cost for new yorkers set to fall 50%

individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in new york state as changes under the federal health care law take effect, gov. Andrew m. Cuomo announced on wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in new york. beginning in october, individuals in new york city who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

exactly. Thanks to obamacare.

But who pays for the Federal subsidies?

-Geaux

 

[Flopper]

There are millions of people that will be forced to by a product that costs more than their homes,12k is common for a family,the same people that cry a freaking river over paying for someone emergency room bill,a huge assumption from the beginning,will now be subsidizing millions,yet ....................

$1200 a month???

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Exactly. Thanks to Obamacare.

There is little doubt among non-partisans that HCA will increase the availability of and quality of healthcare for millions of Americans. The issue of cost is complicated. It is not just the cost of insurance but the total cost of healthcare yet we focus on premiums.

Both the right and the left will be presenting evidence of large increases and decreases in premiums of individual policies. For example California and New York will see large decreases. Florida and Ohio will see increases of up to 41% and 35% for individual policies. Most states according the Kaiser Foundation will see premiums changes in order of -10% to +10%. The reason for the difference in cost between states is the amount of state regulation on health insurance policies prior to the HCA.

States like Florida and Ohio allowed insurance companies to exclude most anyone who was likely to have major health problems. Also insurance companies were allowed to offer policies that excluded various diseases and treatments, and were allowed to write policies with very high deductibles and coinsurance. The result was very low premiums usually less than $100. The HCA outlaws these types of policies and thus states that allowed them will see larger increases in premiums than other states. Since there are very few states that allowed policies like this, large increase will be confined to just a few states.

 

[P@triot]

Yeah right... People wear bracelets and such which has that information.

Its important to know about your hemi's, yet it's not important to require voter ID so you can vote the morons in that make stupid laws like Obamacare w/databases?

-Geaux

Maybe I forgot to put the braclet on this morning. Maybe it's under the car that hit me. Maybe I lost the arm it was attached to.

Every study has proven that putting medical information on a database reduces accidents and improves the quality of care.

Then maybe you were meant to die that day ass wipe....

 

[P@triot]

I know, I know.... this thread will soon be filled with the most absurd spin from radical leftists like RDean and Rightwinger whose entire "case" will be that this isn't actually happening (even though it undeniably is) and this is "right-wing fear tactics", blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

But here's the thing. When it's the end of the day, the pc is finally powered-down, and they are all alone in the dark with their thoughts, I refuse to believe that even the most radical among them believes this is actually good for America. To have some of the most well known corporations refuse to hire, cut back hours, or drop healthcare coverage for their employees all together is simply not good for America. Period. Obamacare has been one of the biggest embarrassing disasters in U.S. history. It was written half-assed, passed by Dumbocrats not one of which actually read it, implemented blindly.

LOL. You are so full of shit that your eyes have turned brown.

What you fellows really fear, and it is an accurate fear, is that after 1Jan14, a great many people are going to find that they can finally afford health care. And they are not going to feel kindly toward lying hacks like you that have been misleading them for the last two years.

Folks, I rest my case. Businesses are laying off people because of Obamacare, others are cutting hours because of Obamacare, and others still are dropping coverage for their employees because of Obamacare.

But here we have yet another ignorant libtard ignoring reality in favor of the fantasy (p.s. jack-ass, healthcare costs have already skyrocketed since Obamacare was signed into law - can't wait to laugh in your big dumb stupid face [MENTION=13758]Old Rocks[/MENTION] when on January 2, 2014 when costs aren't down even $.50)

 

[P@triot]

Yeah right... People wear bracelets and such which has that information.

Its important to know about your hemi's, yet it's not important to require voter ID so you can vote the morons in that make stupid laws like Obamacare w/databases?

-Geaux

Maybe I forgot to put the braclet on this morning. Maybe it's under the car that hit me. Maybe I lost the arm it was attached to.

Every study has proven that putting medical information on a database reduces accidents and improves the quality of care.

Maybe the government server crashed on that morning. Maybe the government server was hacked and someone removed your allergy, causing that to kill you. Maybe a flaw in the code of the database caused you to appear as a diabetic and they give you insulin you don't need, killing you.

The fact that you have more faith in your government masters that you worship than you do in yourself is equal parts hilarious and tragic. You really are an invalid tool who feels like he can't wipe his own little hiney without the assistance of your masters.

 

[P@triot]

$1200 a month???

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

Individuals buying health insurance on their own will see their premiums tumble next year in New York State as changes under the federal health care law take effect, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Wednesday.

State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/h...rkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Exactly. Thanks to Obamacare.

There is little doubt among non-partisans that HCA will increase the availability of and quality of healthcare for millions of Americans. The issue of cost is complicated. It is not just the cost of insurance but the total cost of healthcare yet we focus on premiums.

Both the right and the left will be presenting evidence of large increases and decreases in premiums of individual policies. For example California and New York will see large decreases. Florida and Ohio will see increases of up to 41% and 35% for individual policies. Most states according the Kaiser Foundation will see premiums changes in order of -10% to +10%. The reason for the difference in cost between states is the amount of state regulation on health insurance policies prior to the HCA.

States like Florida and Ohio allowed insurance companies to exclude most anyone who was likely to have major health problems. Also insurance companies were allowed to offer policies that excluded various diseases and treatments, and were allowed to write policies with very high deductibles and coinsurance. The result was very low premiums usually less than $100. The HCA outlaws these types of policies and thus states that allowed them will see larger increases in premiums than other states. Since there are very few states that allowed policies like this, large increase will be confined to just a few states.

So you're admitting that costs will skyrocket in some states and we all know that's it's costing many, many, many jobs. Gee, what a great "plan". Government at it's finest here, folks....

 

[P@triot]

Besides, the Black Guy proposed it, it must be bad, right?

I agree in part. That's why SCOTUS re-wrote the law and changed Obama's language of 'fine' to tax.

IMHO, a white person could of never got this law passed

-Geaux

Actually, a white guy did get this law passed.

His name was Mitt Romney.

And conservatives (oh, not you, we wouldn't want to hold you to what other conservatives are for) all cheered it for it's inovation and using the private sector.

And then the Black Guy did it, and Romney wouldn't be caught having a non-alcoholic, caffine free Drink with ROmneycare.

Yet another libtard dill-hole who doesn't even know the difference between federal government and state government...

 

[P@triot]

How many of these lowlifes have cell phones, eat out, go to the movies, etc. etc... Oh, they have the money, they just did not consider insurance a priority until someone else had to help pay for it.

Frigging slackers

-Geaux

Right. Because having to pay $1200 out of pocket every month for a private ins plan is exactly the same as paying a $60/month cell phone bill or eating out every once in a while.

It's not the "same" - that's the point.

One (paying $1,200 per month for health insurance) is the action of a mature, responsible adult. The other (taking that health insurance money and pissing it away on cell phones and dining out) is the action of an immature, irresponsible asshole....

 

[P@triot]

Riddle me this................................

Currently Snowden and the NSA scandal. America including the Dems are yelling out about how the Gov't is spying on us all. It has caused a public outrage including the Libs.

Yet Obamacare forces all of us to put our Medical Records into a Federal Database. Something that has ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE INFORMATION.

Nothing is said, and IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

Reminds me of the saying," 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Haven't you heard from your conservative pals? You don't have a right to privacy.

It's not in the Constitution. So quit your bitching.

lolol

Apparently you're unaware that Obama has done more egregious domestic spying than any dictator in world history?

 

[freedombecki]

Here's the PROUD part. Remember it well. NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR IT. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

I know you won't like this but it is a darned good bet that when they do get power again, they will "see the light" just as Obama did with the Patriot Act and take advantage of the shit the Dems handed us. They will blame the Dems, but take control just the same. They will come up with excuse after excuse as to why they can't touch it.

Immie

Immie, the bill takes the constitution and warps it to give Institutional Power held by Congress to the White House. It also indentures the average working man in America to a life of slavery to any taxes the administration wishes to impose upon the public for this horrific and unconstitutional piece of shit the Democrats foisted on America.

It needs to be dismantled to remove the unconstitutional aspects, and started over with a smarter Congress curbing down the tax to where it indeed is affordable, and not unaffordable as it is in its present quasi-legal catch-22 quandary.

It's a blight on the Constitution, on freedom, and represents the highest tax in the history of the United States if it is implemented illegally onto a free people who will be so worn out for working for a cruel government they will be like slaves, and not free men and women.

If left alone, it is the precursor to destroying the Constitution.

"Affordable" Health care act is a misnomer, named that way to fool the people as Democrats grab power and glory for themselves at the expense of free and proud Americans.

It's so bad the Supreme Court refused to touch it. Had Justice Roberts not decided to let it be, the Democrats were waiting in the wings to stage an all-out war on "mean" conservatives, in order to procure more power for themselves and less power for the people.

And Congressman Dr. John Boehner deserves a starry crown for fighting this certain end to America's prosperity. I owe Dr. Boehner a debt of gratitude, because I know he's fighting the good fight for the people of the country, whom Obama wishes to subjugate eternally through consolidating his power exactly like Hugo Chavez had planned to do before he died of cancer from smoking for years, blaming Americans for his cancer to anyone who'd listen to his lies.