The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Unkotare]

... Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" ...

https://www.quora.com/What-was-MacArthurs-positoion-on-dropping-the-bomb-on-Hiroshima



You'd better go ask him, dumbass.

Go ask him yourself, shit face.

Kinda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

 

[Frannie]

... people were looting

Link?

People were also wounded and dying and rats were feeding on the bodies of the dead. Nuking them would have fixed all this

 

[toobfreak]

... people were looting

Link?

Link yourself. Do you ever link ANYTHING you ever say? No. Do you ever refute any one else's links? No.

Urban Dictionary: Unkotare

https://www.quora.com/What-does-ko-no-unko-tare-mean-in-Japanese

All you through and through.

 

[toobfreak]

inda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

Fuck of, drippy poop. First your claims that Bushido code on the military and civilians of Japan PROVEN WRONG, liar. Then your other lie that "civilians" in Japan were like regular civilians elsewhere PROVEN WRONG, Drippy Pants. The only thing funnier than all your lies is your constant deflection from even admitting to them!

 

[Taz]

... Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" ...

https://www.quora.com/What-was-MacArthurs-positoion-on-dropping-the-bomb-on-Hiroshima



You'd better go ask him, dumbass.

Go ask him yourself, shit face.

Kinda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

"However, it’s used primarily by children. Rather than “sh*t,” a more accurate rendering would be “poop.” So うんこたれ (unkotare) would be something like calling someone a doodoo-head or a poopy-face."

Uncle Poopyface.

 

[Unkotare]

... people were looting

Link?

People were also wounded and dying and rats were feeding on the bodies of the dead. Nuking them would have fixed all this

Link?

 

[Unkotare]

... people were looting

Link?

Link yourself. .....

Yeah, I thought so.

 

[Unkotare]

inda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

Fuck of, drippy poop. First your claims that Bushido code on the military and civilians of Japan PROVEN WRONG, liar. Then your other lie that "civilians" in Japan were like regular civilians elsewhere PROVEN WRONG, Drippy Pants. The only thing funnier than all your lies is your constant deflection from even admitting to them!

Oh yeah, I can feel your embarrassment from here.

 

[Frannie]

... people were looting

Link?

People were also wounded and dying and rats were feeding on the bodies of the dead. Nuking them would have fixed all this

Link?

Nuclear blast cure all disease

Trust me

 

[Unkotare]

... people were looting

Link?

People were also wounded and dying and rats were feeding on the bodies of the dead. Nuking them would have fixed all this

Link?

Nuclear blast cure all disease

Trust me

Trust you? Why? That last comment was completely wrong.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Another major reason that we sought an end to the war as soon as possible, was because the Soviets had just joined in, and would have invaded Japan, if we had not invaded, ourselves, or ended the war with nuclear weapons, first. The end result would have been a Soviet Japan, which would have destabilized the entire Pacific rim. That would have changed history dramatically for the worst, as far as the free world was concerned, not to mention for the Japanese.

The Soviets were supposed to join in. We asked them to.

Prior to that they asked us to join in in Europe, and we dithered in Africa.

I am aware of that, but we knew that we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade her.

That doesn't add up. The Soviet advance was part of defeating Japan. It was faced with nukes from afar plus Russians up close. Simultaneous, not serial.

I don't understand what I am saying that does not add up.

The Soviets agreed to declare war on Japan after Germany was defeated. That agreement predates the atomic bomb by years. The soviets kept that agreement, and started advancing toward Japan from the West. We were not in a position to but Japan under a siege to starve them into giving up, because the Soviets would have continued their advance from the west, and even invade the islands. If we had not invaded the islands, or if we had not ended the war before they could do that, the Soviets would have done the same thing they did in Germany. If we had not used the atomic bomb, we would have been forced to invade Japan to beat the soviets to it, which would have resulted in a million casualties. If we allowed the Soviets to invade Japan, Japan would have ended up as another East Germany.

That's projecting far too much speculation. The original statement was that "we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade". That's simply not the case. The goal at that time and place, of both the US and the USSR, was Japanese surrender. Invasions by either country are not mutually exclusive.


Along the same lines:

If we had not nuked or invaded Japan, the Soviet Union would have, with the end result of Japan and South Korea having been lost to communism, just like Eastern Europe.

"Communism" was not a player in this war. Imperialism was. They're not even related. Again, the mutual goal, of the US, the USSR, China, Vietnam, Malaysia and all the other related countries on the receiving end of that imperialism, was repelling Japan, not any kind of economic system.

This later fear-fantasy about "commies invading" was a comic book fantasy cooked up by the Dulles Brothers and Jimmy Byrnes and their ilk, for the purpose of keeping this country in a state of war if possible or at the least war mentality. All these places fighting for their own independence from colonial chains, like Ho in Vietnam (who was also our ally against Japan) were fighting for themselves and their own independence; they were not fighting to be delivered into the hands of one controlling power over another.

The fuel of Imperialism cannot be understated here. Japan wanted an empire. Britain had an established empire; France had an empire beginning to decline; Spain and Portugal had fading empires already in decline. And the US, seeing some of those empires decline, particularly of Spain and later Britain, wanted in on the action too, beginning with McKinley and the Philippines and Cuba. None of that was for a purpose of "communism" or "capitalism"; all of it was for the purpose of exploitation and getting the controlling entity fat off the resources of the vanquished.

Although an unrelated war, that's the same thing that was going on in Europe. "Old-Empire" Britain and France in heated competition with "New-Empire" upstarts Germany and Italy, neither of which existed as unified countries until the second half of the 19th century. They got a late start onto the road Spain, Portugal, Britain, France and Holland had already gone down since the 16th century especially with the discovery of the Americas. Again, for the same purpose: exploitation of other people's resources, especially at that time in Africa, the last available colonizable continent that Spain, England, France, Portugal and Holland, all of which were much older entities than Germany and Italy, hadn't already grabbed and swapped around.

Again, nothing to do with "communism". It's high time to recognize that Emmanuel Goldstein tactic for the polarization propaganda it was. As noted above, it was cooked up expressly to keep this country in an imperialist state of mind.

All I can offer you on this is that we can agree to disagree.

 

[Taz]

inda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

Fuck of, drippy poop. First your claims that Bushido code on the military and civilians of Japan PROVEN WRONG, liar. Then your other lie that "civilians" in Japan were like regular civilians elsewhere PROVEN WRONG, Drippy Pants. The only thing funnier than all your lies is your constant deflection from even admitting to them!

Oh yeah, I can feel your embarrassment from here.

Link?

 

[Frannie]

... people were looting

Link?

People were also wounded and dying and rats were feeding on the bodies of the dead. Nuking them would have fixed all this

Link?

Nuclear blast cure all disease

Trust me

Trust you? Why? That last comment was completely wrong.

What disease survives a nuclear blast

Man u r tupid

 

[Frannie]

inda stings to have outed yourself so fucking completely, huh? Maybe you'll do better on another thread. Good luck.

Fuck of, drippy poop. First your claims that Bushido code on the military and civilians of Japan PROVEN WRONG, liar. Then your other lie that "civilians" in Japan were like regular civilians elsewhere PROVEN WRONG, Drippy Pants. The only thing funnier than all your lies is your constant deflection from even admitting to them!

Oh yeah, I can feel your embarrassment from here.

That's your chicken you are choking

 

[elektra]

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally.
This is all flying blithely over your head, isn't it.


JAPAN invaded Manchuria, Twinkletoes. Fourteen years earlier. As well as Korea, Taiwan, French Indochina, Maylasia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and a slew of islands and territories from India to Canada. JAPAN was what was "dominating", not Russia, which, this just in, is a proper name and therefore capitalized, so the only "both ways" happening here is your selective capitalization. Ask the Koreans, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Malaysians, the Taiwanese, the Indonesians, about how Russia was "dominating" them.

Oh, I get it, when you said Russia invaded Japan after sustaining 20 million dead, and I responded by referencing Manchuria, you did not realize that Russia never invaded Japan? You did not know that when Russia attacked, it was attacking Manchuria, not japan?

Yes, you said,

USSR was in no position to invade or dominate anything after bearing the brunt of the war in Europe

And then you said,

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally.

My reply was simple, how can you say the the USSR was in no position to invade or dominate, when they did indeed invade Manchuria? Or japan, as you mistakenly called Manchuria.

I should of known you did not have the intelligence to respond to my post, when you mangled your post so badly you have no idea what you stated.

Russia, in World War II never invaded Japan as you stated. That is just plan old stupidity. Everybody knows that, and now that I told you, you can go run to google and ask the almighty, if it is true.

 

[Pogo]

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally.
This is all flying blithely over your head, isn't it.


JAPAN invaded Manchuria, Twinkletoes. Fourteen years earlier. As well as Korea, Taiwan, French Indochina, Maylasia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and a slew of islands and territories from India to Canada. JAPAN was what was "dominating", not Russia, which, this just in, is a proper name and therefore capitalized, so the only "both ways" happening here is your selective capitalization. Ask the Koreans, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Malaysians, the Taiwanese, the Indonesians, about how Russia was "dominating" them.

Oh, I get it, when you said Russia invaded Japan after sustaining 20 million dead, and I responded by referencing Manchuria, you did not realize that Russia never invaded Japan? You did not know that when Russia attacked, it was attacking Manchuria, not japan?

Yes, you said,

USSR was in no position to invade or dominate anything after bearing the brunt of the war in Europe

And then you said,

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally.

My reply was simple, how can you say the the USSR was in no position to invade or dominate, when they did indeed invade Manchuria? Or japan, as you mistakenly called Manchuria.

I should of known you did not have the intelligence to respond to my post, when you mangled your post so badly you have no idea what you stated.

Russia, in World War II never invaded Japan as you stated. That is just plan old stupidity. Everybody knows that, and now that I told you, you can go run to google and ask the almighty, if it is true.

Once AGAIN for the speed-readers, I said that JAPAN invaded Manchuria, not "Russia". I even bolded it and put it in all-caps, and you still found a way to miss it. Indeed Japan invaded Manchuria after a staged 'incident' used as a pretext, much like the Maine explosion, the Reichstag fire, or the Gulf of Tonkin. And that was freaking 1931.


For me the ironical essence of this whole post is right here:

"I should of [sic] known you did not have the intelligence" ​

Classic.

 

[elektra]

It is late to be saving millions of russian from death at the hands of Marxism? Then you do not know history, period. Millions died of Marxism, of socialism, after WW II. Millions in Russia, Millions sent to the Gulag. It is said the roads were laid with dead Russians, literally.

Marxism spread to China, Mao Tse Tung? From the USSR? And on to Cambodia and Vietnam. How many died? Millions. How many suffered, millions. Tens of millions? A hundred million?

Once again, the USSR had nothing to do with Mao, with Cambodia or with Vietnam. ALL of those places were invaded/occupied by Japan, which I think I just got done pointing out. Suffering? Sure. Whether at the hands of Japanese imperialism, western imperialism, or civil war brought about by the first two. That's kind of what war does. None of which has anything to do with "Marxism".

You are a moron, I stated Marxism, are you now going to conflate Marxism and the USSR? If I was being specific to the USSR, I would of stated Communism. Communism is the USSR's form of Marxism.

And yes, Marxism had everything to do with Mao, Camobdia, and Vietnam.

And yes, the USSR had much to do with Mao Tse Tung and China, before, during, and after World War II. Sadly you know nothing of history and even less than what you post.

So yes, Marxism, or you should state, COMMUNISM, if you speaking of the USSR, did in fact have everything to do with politics, war, culture, and society, as well as life itself, in all of ASIA!!!!!

Go bury yourself in Google for 30 seconds and you can learn that much.

Pogo is a great example of someone that searches an opinion based on fictitious propaganda and thus comes up with ideas that have nothing to do with reality let alone history that is easily learned.

 

[elektra]

So in a nutshell what you're saying here is "buy my Appeal to Emotion or I'll beat the shit out of you".

No, what he said is you got the shit beat out of you by a third grader wielding a nutshell, that is why you are so stupid. Put some ice on that brain damage.

 

[elektra]

Once AGAIN for the speed-readers, I said that JAPAN invaded Manchuria, not "Russia". I even bolded it and put it in all-caps, and you still found a way to miss it. Indeed Japan invaded Manchuria after a staged 'incident' used as a pretext, much like the Maine explosion, the Reichstag fire, or the Gulf of Tonkin. And that was freaking 1931.

For me the ironical essence of this whole post is right here:

"I should of [sic] known you did not have the intelligence" ​

Classic.

Yes classic, speaking of the end of the war, you stated Russia could not invade or dominate anything. I stated Russia invaded Manchuria!

Okay, lets say I am wrong about your post, here? So it was Japan that over-ran Germany and then invaded itself?
The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally.

I quoted you post, twice now, I guess you have no real memory of what you wrote?

 

[elektra]

Once AGAIN for the speed-readers, I said that JAPAN invaded Manchuria, not "Russia".

Prove it, here is the post I quoted
The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

And yes I'd say overrunning Nazi Germany and then invading Japan after already sustaining twenty million dead, are indeed the actions of an ally

You believe Russia invaded Japan, not Manchuria? Got it. Russia invaded Japan not Manchuria?

Russia never invaded Manchuria?

Ha, ha, ha, what in the fuck are you saying?