The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Unkotare]

......There really were no "civilians" in Japan in the normal sense, they had drilled in them from birth a kind of loyalty and honor stemming from the Bushido code ......--- --- they deserved no mercy.

Posts like this nonsense scream with a thinly veiled sense of guilt combined with childishly ignorant ideas about culture gleaned from cartoons and bad movies.

 

[Pogo]

[ It's a bit late to be "saving millions of horrific Russian deaths" when they've already paid with twenty million of them turning the tide of Naziism back.

This is all flying blithely over your head, isn't it.

It is late to be saving millions of russian from death at the hands of Marxism? Then you do not know history, period. Millions died of Marxism, of socialism, after WW II. Millions in Russia, Millions sent to the Gulag. It is said the roads were laid with dead Russians, literally.

Marxism spread to China, Mao Tse Tung? From the USSR? And on to Cambodia and Vietnam. How many died? Millions. How many suffered, millions. Tens of millions? A hundred million?

Marxism is a way of life, not simply an economic system. Anyone who has lived under Marxism knows that deadly truth. Only those who have never lived under Marxism ignore the truth as you do.

Once again, the USSR had nothing to do with Mao, with Cambodia or with Vietnam. ALL of those places were invaded/occupied by Japan, which I think I just got done pointing out. Suffering? Sure. Whether at the hands of Japanese imperialism, western imperialism, or civil war brought about by the first two. That's kind of what war does. None of which has anything to do with "Marxism".

 

[toobfreak]

To the people of WWII, the Japanese were nothing but a dirty vermin to be exterminated.

Only in America would we have Leftards feeling sorry for the enemy. The Japanese military before and during World War II committed numerous atrocities against civilian and military personnel. Its surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, prior to a declaration of war and without warning killed 2,403 neutral military personnel and civilians and wounded 1,247 others.[24][25] Large scale massacres, rapes, and looting against civilians were committed, most notably the Sook Ching and the Nanjing Massacre, and the use of around 200,000 "comfort women", who were forced to serve as prostitutes for the Japanese military.[26]

The Imperial Japanese Army also engaged in the execution and harsh treatment of Allied military personnel and POWs. Biological experiments were conducted by Unit 731 on prisoners of war as well as civilians; this included the use of biological and chemical weapons authorized by Emperor Shōwa himself.[27] According to the 2002 International Symposium on the Crimes of Bacteriological Warfare, the number of people killed in Far East Asia by Japanese germ warfare and human experiments was estimated to be around 580,000.[28]

The members of Unit 731, including Lieutenant General Shirō Ishii, received immunity from General MacArthur in exchange for germ warfare data based on human experimentation. The deal was concluded in 1948.[29][30] The Imperial Japanese Army frequently used chemical weapons. Because of fear of retaliation, however, those weapons were never used against Westerners, but against other Asians judged "inferior" by imperial propaganda.[31] For example, the Emperor authorized the use of toxic gas on 375 separate occasions during the Battle of Wuhan from August to October 1938.

If any of the people here who fought in that war, lost family or lived through that hell were to hear the snowflakes of today doubting our resolve to defeat them, they'd beat the living crap out of you (if you were lucky) to either shooting you themselves for sedition to having you turned in as a spy and a traitor. While Germany and Italy fought to regain territory, the reasons why Japan entered the Pacific theater against us remains unclear other than an unmitigated act of aggression. Fuck the Japs.

 

[toobfreak]

......There really were no "civilians" in Japan in the normal sense, they had drilled in them from birth a kind of loyalty and honor stemming from the Bushido code ......--- --- they deserved no mercy.

Posts like this nonsense scream with a thinly veiled sense of guilt combined with childishly ignorant ideas about culture gleaned from cartoons and bad movies.

---- Or historical fact corroborated by numerous articles on the history of Japanese culture, Poopie Boy. Fuck you, Jap Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great!

BBC - History - World Wars: Japan: No Surrender in World War Two

Prisoners of the Japanese: Civilian internees, Pacific and South-East Asia | The Australian War Memorial

Japanese Mass Suicides

Japan: No Surrender in World War Two

Why Was Japan So Hard To Defeat

Nonsense? Guilt? Childish ignorance? Cartoons and bad movies? Got any other baseless bullshit claims while talking out of both your assholes, you Jap-Loving, Lying, Shit-sucking freak?

 

[Pogo]

Another major reason that we sought an end to the war as soon as possible, was because the Soviets had just joined in, and would have invaded Japan, if we had not invaded, ourselves, or ended the war with nuclear weapons, first. The end result would have been a Soviet Japan, which would have destabilized the entire Pacific rim. That would have changed history dramatically for the worst, as far as the free world was concerned, not to mention for the Japanese.

The Soviets were supposed to join in. We asked them to.

Prior to that they asked us to join in in Europe, and we dithered in Africa.

I am aware of that, but we knew that we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade her.

That doesn't add up. The Soviet advance was part of defeating Japan. It was faced with nukes from afar plus Russians up close. Simultaneous, not serial.

I don't understand what I am saying that does not add up.

The Soviets agreed to declare war on Japan after Germany was defeated. That agreement predates the atomic bomb by years. The soviets kept that agreement, and started advancing toward Japan from the West. We were not in a position to but Japan under a siege to starve them into giving up, because the Soviets would have continued their advance from the west, and even invade the islands. If we had not invaded the islands, or if we had not ended the war before they could do that, the Soviets would have done the same thing they did in Germany. If we had not used the atomic bomb, we would have been forced to invade Japan to beat the soviets to it, which would have resulted in a million casualties. If we allowed the Soviets to invade Japan, Japan would have ended up as another East Germany.

That's projecting far too much speculation. The original statement was that "we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade". That's simply not the case. The goal at that time and place, of both the US and the USSR, was Japanese surrender. Invasions by either country are not mutually exclusive.


Along the same lines:

If we had not nuked or invaded Japan, the Soviet Union would have, with the end result of Japan and South Korea having been lost to communism, just like Eastern Europe.

"Communism" was not a player in this war. Imperialism was. They're not even related. Again, the mutual goal, of the US, the USSR, China, Vietnam, Malaysia and all the other related countries on the receiving end of that imperialism, was repelling Japan, not any kind of economic system.

This later fear-fantasy about "commies invading" was a comic book fantasy cooked up by the Dulles Brothers and Jimmy Byrnes and their ilk, for the purpose of keeping this country in a state of war if possible or at the least war mentality. All these places fighting for their own independence from colonial chains, like Ho in Vietnam (who was also our ally against Japan) were fighting for themselves and their own independence; they were not fighting to be delivered into the hands of one controlling power over another.

The fuel of Imperialism cannot be understated here. Japan wanted an empire. Britain had an established empire; France had an empire beginning to decline; Spain and Portugal had fading empires already in decline. And the US, seeing some of those empires decline, particularly of Spain and later Britain, wanted in on the action too, beginning with McKinley and the Philippines and Cuba. None of that was for a purpose of "communism" or "capitalism"; all of it was for the purpose of exploitation and getting the controlling entity fat off the resources of the vanquished.

Although an unrelated war, that's the same thing that was going on in Europe. "Old-Empire" Britain and France in heated competition with "New-Empire" upstarts Germany and Italy, neither of which existed as unified countries until the second half of the 19th century. They got a late start onto the road Spain, Portugal, Britain, France and Holland had already gone down since the 16th century especially with the discovery of the Americas. Again, for the same purpose: exploitation of other people's resources, especially at that time in Africa, the last available colonizable continent that Spain, England, France, Portugal and Holland, all of which were much older entities than Germany and Italy, hadn't already grabbed and swapped around.

Again, nothing to do with "communism". It's high time to recognize that Emmanuel Goldstein tactic for the polarization propaganda it was. As noted above, it was cooked up expressly to keep this country in an imperialist state of mind.

 

[Unkotare]

I would have nuked Tokyo as well.

Nagoya deserved it too

There wasn't enough left of Nagoya to use an atomic bomb on by then, dumbass.

 

[Pogo]

The only important books, are all those great old books wrote in the middle of the last century, closer to the time the bomb was dropped.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. ... the only way to understand history is to either lived through it yourself, or read from it a book on the views and outlook of someone else who actually did while those events were fresh.......

Leaving aside the rest of your laughably childish take on history, many direct quotes from many of America's military leaders of that time have been provided expressing their views that the use of atomic weapons was immoral and unnecessary.

Are you going to contradict yourself now, Salty?

More laughably childish non-existent opinions from your library of non-existent imaginary people, Poopie? So, by your reasoning, if I go out and find a few books by people on slavery saying it was the best thing since sliced bread and we never should have ended it, you'd be totally on board with that view too. I get that. Anything to bash America.

It does not matter what they think. Morality in a time of war is a thing for children. Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" and you'd probably find your worthless ass on the floor beaten the crap out of and then in the stockade. Maybe hopefully on trial as a subversive lending comfort to the enemy. The only thing that mattered is that the Japs drew first blood and we proved to them we could hit back harder than they could. That and the fact that with the bomb, we had a much better chance of winning the war than without it.

Go tell this guy the bombing of Japan wasn't moral or necessary. I fucking dare you. Neither are even in the equation, shit-lover. It was payback to the sneaky bastards. Lesson learned: fuck with us and you wake a sleeping tiger. Fuck the Japs.


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So in a nutshell what you're saying here is "buy my Appeal to Emotion or I'll beat the shit out of you".

 

[Frannie]

I would have nuked Tokyo as well.

Nagoya deserved it too

There wasn't enough left of Nagoya to use an atomic bomb on by then, dumbass.

Sure there was

 

[Unkotare]

.... Fuck you, Jap Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great!

And there it is. Kungfool inevitably reveals his true colors and the true motivation behind his 'views' on this matter. Anyone who wants to know what this worthless dog is really about need only refer to the above quote. "Verified."

 

[Unkotare]

I would have nuked Tokyo as well.

Nagoya deserved it too

There wasn't enough left of Nagoya to use an atomic bomb on by then, dumbass.

Sure there was

The city had been bombed down to embers long before fdr's dream of incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic horror came true. Nagoya Castle is one of the most iconic of all castles in Japan. It was reconstructed in exacting detail after the war because there was nothing left of the original.

 

[Frannie]

I would have nuked Tokyo as well.

Nagoya deserved it too

There wasn't enough left of Nagoya to use an atomic bomb on by then, dumbass.

Sure there was

The city had been bombed down to embers long before fdr's dream of incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic horror came true. Nagoya Castle is one of the most iconic of all castles in Japan. It was reconstructed in exacting detail after the war because there was nothing left of the original.

But it wasnt radioactive and people were looting

 

[Unkotare]

... Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" ...

https://www.quora.com/What-was-MacArthurs-positoion-on-dropping-the-bomb-on-Hiroshima



You'd better go ask him, dumbass.

 

[toobfreak]

.... Fuck you, Jap Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great!

And there it is. Kungfool inevitably reveals his true colors and the true motivation behind his 'views' on this matter. Anyone who wants to know what this worthless dog is really about need only refer to the above quote. "Verified."

Fuck you, Jap Poopie Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great! Too bad you didn't live in the 1940s so that we could have thrown your ass in jail as a commie sympathizer. The Japanese were savage, brutal dogs who got what they deserved. Go suck shit (if not already doing so right now).

 

[Unkotare]

... people were looting

Link?

 

[Unkotare]

.... Fuck you, Jap Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great!

And there it is. Kungfool inevitably reveals his true colors and the true motivation behind his 'views' on this matter. Anyone who wants to know what this worthless dog is really about need only refer to the above quote. "Verified."

Fuck you, Jap Poopie Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great! Too bad you didn't live in the 1940s so that we could have thrown your ass in jail as a commie sympathizer. The Japanese were savage, brutal dogs who got what they deserved. Go suck shit (if not already doing so right now).

Your true motivations have been revealed for all to see, racist. Now, try to talk about the thread topic and stop with the personal attacks, understand?

 

[anynameyouwish]

The only important books, are all those great old books wrote in the middle of the last century, closer to the time the bomb was dropped.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. ... the only way to understand history is to either lived through it yourself, or read from it a book on the views and outlook of someone else who actually did while those events were fresh.......

Leaving aside the rest of your laughably childish take on history, many direct quotes from many of America's military leaders of that time have been provided expressing their views that the use of atomic weapons was immoral and unnecessary.

Are you going to contradict yourself now, Salty?

More laughably childish non-existent opinions from your library of non-existent imaginary people, Poopie? So, by your reasoning, if I go out and find a few books by people on slavery saying it was the best thing since sliced bread and we never should have ended it, you'd be totally on board with that view too. I get that. Anything to bash America.

It does not matter what they think. Morality in a time of war is a thing for children. Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" and you'd probably find your worthless ass on the floor beaten the crap out of and then in the stockade. Maybe hopefully on trial as a subversive lending comfort to the enemy. The only thing that mattered is that the Japs drew first blood and we proved to them we could hit back harder than they could. That and the fact that with the bomb, we had a much better chance of winning the war than without it.

Go tell this guy the bombing of Japan wasn't moral or necessary. I fucking dare you. Neither are even in the equation, shit-lover. It was payback to the sneaky bastards. Lesson learned: fuck with us and you wake a sleeping tiger. Fuck the Japs.


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"Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral""

it doesn't matter what their opinion was.

The OP was asking each of us what OUR opinions were.

and my opinion is that it was OK to drop "the bomb" on military targets but wrong/immoral to nuke 2 cities.

 

[anynameyouwish]

.... Fuck you, Jap Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great!

And there it is. Kungfool inevitably reveals his true colors and the true motivation behind his 'views' on this matter. Anyone who wants to know what this worthless dog is really about need only refer to the above quote. "Verified."

Fuck you, Jap Poopie Lover. You're free to move there if you think they are so great! Too bad you didn't live in the 1940s so that we could have thrown your ass in jail as a commie sympathizer. The Japanese were savage, brutal dogs who got what they deserved. Go suck shit (if not already doing so right now).

such eloquence!

such intelligence!

suck civility and manners!

 

[toobfreak]

fdr's dream of incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic horror

And there it is. The Jap Lover talking his pro-Japanese, anti-American rhetoric shit as usual, I bet you would have made a good kamikaze, too. The dirty Japs got what they deserved for their sneak attack on America without even a declaration of war.

 

[toobfreak]

... Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral" ...

https://www.quora.com/What-was-MacArthurs-positoion-on-dropping-the-bomb-on-Hiroshima



You'd better go ask him, dumbass.

Go ask him yourself, shit face.

 

[Unkotare]

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"Go to MacArthur or Patton and ask them if their strategy was "moral""

it doesn't matter what their opinion was......

That's not what toobsalt said. Tell him.