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It's pure hysterics to believe that any child will be damaged if they learn that not all families fit a Christian-cookie-cutter mold...Oh, The Horror!
It's pure hysterics to believe that any child will be damaged if they learn that not all families fit a Christian-cookie-cutter mold...Oh, The Horror!
)Give up your fantasies. A woman can never be a real "daddy" no matter how much she works at it.
HOMOSEXUALS who adopt kids are NOT loving parents - they are selfish people who insist on force-feeding abnormal sexual addiction upon the lives of young people.
This isn't about NORMAL people who want to create a NORMAL, Healthy Family. It's about ABNORMAL people who want to create an UNHEALTHY family, and in turn, eventually, a destroyed society.
Certainly homosexuals who adopt kids are loving parents. They are likely to be more loving than the people who gave kids away. The homosexuals are no more selfish than are heterosexual people who force-feed their views or behaviors or addictions upon the lives of young people.
It can be said that they are selfish people who insist on force-feeding abnormal addiction upon the lives of young people.
The homosexuals are no more selfish than are heterosexual people who force-feed their views or behaviors or addictions upon the lives of young people.
I accept the world for what it is. I don't use technology to try to warp biology to accomadate my own desires.
Says you. Got any proof?
And you're just another version of Dr. Moreu, warping what nature has created to fit what you want it to be. There's no way to make gay relationships normal, and all of these feeble attempts to do so only make things worse.
Never seen or heard a god. That'd good enough for me. You cannot prove that a god exists. You have faith. That's it.
A mommy or a daddy – there is not that much real significant difference except in anatomy at least when it comes to raising a child. As far as raising a child, at the very least, I think that it is better that a child be raised by a loving couple (even if that couple is of the same sex) than by an orphanage. A child can have two caring adults who happen to be of the same gender. It doesn’t take an egg donor to be a “real” mommy.
between a dike and a daddy? 
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Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle
That's right. Adoptive parents are NOT the real parents.
That might well be one of the most ignorant, evil statements I have ever seen.
Circular "logic". You cannot prove god doesn't exist. You have Faith god doesn't exist. That's it.
HOMOSEXUALS who adopt kids are NOT loving parents - they are selfish people who insist on force-feeding abnormal sexual addiction upon the lives of young people.
And it's pure Reality that the Biblical/Traditional model of a 'family' is BEST. Single parent families? Not as good. Doable...but not ideal. Homosexual-lead families? Horrible. It'll keep 'shrinks' in business, I suppose..
missileman wrote:
Actually, its fairly well-documented that people who are raised in single-parent homes, for instance, suffer many more obstacles and hurdles and are statistically more likely to end up involved with crime, having trouble in school, more likely to experiment with drugs, sex at an earlier age, etc.
Now...before you flip out, please use your brain. I am married to a man raised by a single mother who overcame a drug and alcohol addiction while raising him. He's a Captain in the Air Force presently attending one of the best law schools in the nation...obviously his single-parent upbringing didn't "ruin" him. One of my bridesmaids was raised by her mother and her mother's girlfriends. Her mother, her mother's partner, and her mothers ex-partner were all at attendance at my wedding. My friend didnt turn out too damn bad either (although she is lousy with money...wonder if there's a correlation???
Everyone knows that there are exceptions and that kids can turn out screwed up in the perfect setting and normal as all hell in the most screwed up setting. However, most people also acknowledge the problems inherent with non-ideal settings and are informed about the statistical challenges facing kids being raised in non-ideal settings. Read "Freakonomics" for an interesting and well-researched look at the challenges facing single-parent kids.
Now...what would be USEFUL...is a debate as to whether not having two parents of opposite sexes as role models is the key element to the best chance for success or whether poverty, lack of education of the parent, or the amount of importance the parent puts on education, safety, supervision of children, is the issue.
This would actually get the conversation about gay people adopting out of the "You hate gays....you're a Christian bigot! You smell!" "Oh yea! Well those kids'll wind up dumb and immoral...gay people shouldn't raise kids! Poopy butt!" toilet and into educated discourse where it belongs.
DMP said:Force-feeding heterosexuality? Wha? Heterosexuality is biology. It's normal. It's Nature. Homosexuality isn't any of those things - but it's a choice based upon some motivation, for members of one sex to enjoy having sex with others of the same sex.
GEM said:You are saying that homosexuals are no more selfish than heterosexuals who force their views (such as religious or political views) or behaviors (such as bad tempers or emotional eating) upon the lives of young people. Correct?
Yes. That is fairly accurate. Im sorry that I cant explain my point more clearly. Ultimately, it is up to parents to raise and teach children. Many people from various walks of life try to convince people, including children, that their views, behaviors, etc are okay. Parents force religious view, opinions on smoking, eating habits, and a variety of other things onto their children (and, to some extent, other peoples children).
missileman wrote:
Actually, its fairly well-documented that people who are raised in single-parent homes, for instance, suffer many more obstacles and hurdles and are statistically more likely to end up involved with crime, having trouble in school, more likely to experiment with drugs, sex at an earlier age, etc.
Now...before you flip out, please use your brain. I am married to a man raised by a single mother who overcame a drug and alcohol addiction while raising him. He's a Captain in the Air Force presently attending one of the best law schools in the nation...obviously his single-parent upbringing didn't "ruin" him. One of my bridesmaids was raised by her mother and her mother's girlfriends. Her mother, her mother's partner, and her mothers ex-partner were all at attendance at my wedding. My friend didnt turn out too damn bad either (although she is lousy with money...wonder if there's a correlation???
Everyone knows that there are exceptions and that kids can turn out screwed up in the perfect setting and normal as all hell in the most screwed up setting. However, most people also acknowledge the problems inherent with non-ideal settings and are informed about the statistical challenges facing kids being raised in non-ideal settings. Read "Freakonomics" for an interesting and well-researched look at the challenges facing single-parent kids.
Now...what would be USEFUL...is a debate as to whether not having two parents of opposite sexes as role models is the key element to the best chance for success or whether poverty, lack of education of the parent, or the amount of importance the parent puts on education, safety, supervision of children, is the issue.
This would actually get the conversation about gay people adopting out of the "You hate gays....you're a Christian bigot! You smell!" "Oh yea! Well those kids'll wind up dumb and immoral...gay people shouldn't raise kids! Poopy butt!" toilet and into educated discourse where it belongs.
I am a single mother. But I am not a single mother by choice. I did not set out to get pregnant on purpose or to raise a child by myself on purpose. I got pregnant and my lover broke up with me the day I told him I was pregnant. While that did not surprise me, it did break my heart.
I considered an abortion. I am militantly pro-abortion. I don't believe any man has a right to even express an opinion on the subject, and when I go though menopause and can no longer conceive, neither will I. That decision is totally up to the woman and she should have the right to make that decision and it's nobody else's business. I was 34 years old, I owned my own home, I made good money, and I loved him. I couldn't do it. I chose to have the baby.
Being a parent is the hardest single thing I have have ever done in my life and I do not recommend it to anybody. Married or single. In some ways I have it easier than married couples do. My word goes. I don't have any conflict with a father to have to deal with. There is no father. It's just me.
Why anybody would purposely put themselves in that position I will never understand. Being a parent is so hard. It's not the least bit rewarding. It's worry, and guilt, and more worry, and it never ends. If we're lucky, our kids won't turn out to be drug addicts or hookers or serial killers. If we're really lucky, they'll grow up to be decent people who can make their own way in the world, and not hate us too much.
I sorta forgot what my point was, but being a single parent does not only suck from the kids point of view.
Funny. No one is teaching my 8 year old son any such thing. But assuming they were, would you prefer that the children of gay couples be victimized by other kids because they are being taught not to be tolerant?
It's not the least bit rewarding.
It's worry, and guilt, and more worry, and it never ends. If we're lucky, our kids won't turn out to be drug addicts or hookers or serial killers.
If we're really lucky, they'll grow up ... and not hate us too much.
