The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

[NYcarbineer]

Remember Bush Sr.'s 1991 Iraq war? The one where we allied ourselves with Kuwait, and the Saudis?

speaking of alliances with Islam...

 

[martybegan]

Remember Bush Sr.'s 1991 Iraq war? The one where we allied ourselves with Kuwait, and the Saudis?

speaking of alliances with Islam...

Which was also an alliance AGAINST islam. Remember the Islamic world basically split in half in who they supported. That was also 20 years ago (yikes, I was in 10th freaking grade then)

 

[NYcarbineer]

The blather in the OP is just more of what's become the standard anti-Islam propaganda line now, the one that the likes of Pamela Geller, or people like Debbie Schlussel, or Frank Gaffney and his band of loons, and many more keep spewing,

that all of Islam can be defined by the most extreme caricature of the faith that these people can construct, in classic strawman fashion.

 

[daveman]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The left condemns Christianity as fundamentalist, homophobic, misogynistic, and wanting to legislate its faith -- but gives Islam a free pass for the same things committed in far greater measure. You bring up something bad about Islam, some robomoron invariably says, "Yeah, that's bad, but Christianity is MUCH worse!"

 

[Jack Fate]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

Well, Jack, I'm a Catholic. What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

See, this is the problem. Freedom of religion is not the point. There are mosques all over NY City. Are you deliberately avoiding the point?

 

[Article 15]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

Well, Jack, I'm a Catholic. What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

See, this is the problem. Freedom of religion is not the point. There are mosques all over NY City. Are you deliberately avoiding the point?

Freedom of religion is the entire point. It's y'all who want to frame it otherwise because you don't approve of the religion in question. So, no, I'm not deliberately avoiding the point.

Since you failed to answer my questions, I repeat:

What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

 

[Jack Fate]

Well, Jack, I'm a Catholic. What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

See, this is the problem. Freedom of religion is not the point. There are mosques all over NY City. Are you deliberately avoiding the point?

Freedom of religion is the entire point. It's y'all who want to frame it otherwise because you don't approve of the religion in question. So, no, I'm not deliberately avoiding the point.

Since you failed to answer my questions, I repeat:

What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

 

[WillowTree]

Yeah, those liberal bastards defending the freedom of religion!

Seriously, y'all are confusing (or purposely spinning that) defending a group against religious persecution and advocating their right to worship with condoning or even adhering to the belief set of said religion.

you know it's intentional. they're trash.

well well well, look who's calling somebody "trash" tsk tsk tsk

 

[Woyzeck]

Crap, they're on to us again! They realized our plan to ally with the Muslims so they could invade the country under legitimate pretenses of the first amendment and set up a leftist dictatorship where Islam and liberalism ruled supreme, as well as the plans after that to shove big-government spending and the much feared socialism down all their throats and force all Christians to live in concentration camps where they will be forced to abort all their babies and then eat them.

Our ruse to support someone's freedom of religion didn't work guys. We'll never get all that now!

 

[Article 15]

See, this is the problem. Freedom of religion is not the point. There are mosques all over NY City. Are you deliberately avoiding the point?

Freedom of religion is the entire point. It's y'all who want to frame it otherwise because you don't approve of the religion in question. So, no, I'm not deliberately avoiding the point.

Since you failed to answer my questions, I repeat:

What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

 

[Jack Fate]

Freedom of religion is the entire point. It's y'all who want to frame it otherwise because you don't approve of the religion in question. So, no, I'm not deliberately avoiding the point.

Since you failed to answer my questions, I repeat:

What am I specifically doing to stick a thumb in the eye of my own religion?

How is defending another religion's freedom to worship apologizing for it?

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

 

[rdean]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

Conservatives are Christian. Freedom of religion does not apply to white people or Christians.

You are so right. When they adopted "Freedom of Religion doesn't mean freedom FROM Religion" as part of the conservative platform, they told us exactly what it is they're planning.

Thanks for reminding us!

 

[WillowTree]

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

don't waste your time, he like all leftists just spout their talking points.

 

[Article 15]

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

While a high-profile battle rages over a mosque near ground zero in Manhattan, heated confrontations have also broken out in communities across the country where mosques are proposed for far less hallowed locations.

In Murfreesboro, Tenn., Republican candidates have denounced plans for a large Muslim center proposed near a subdivision, and hundreds of protesters have turned out for a march and a county meeting.

In late June, in Temecula, Calif., members of a local Tea Party group took dogs and picket signs to Friday prayers at a mosque that is seeking to build a new worship center on a vacant lot nearby.

In Sheboygan, Wis., a few Christian ministers led a noisy fight against a Muslim group that sought permission to open a mosque in a former health food store bought by a Muslim doctor.

At one time, neighbors who did not want mosques in their backyards said their concerns were over traffic, parking and noise — the same reasons they might object to a church or a synagogue. But now the gloves are off.

In all of the recent conflicts, opponents have said their problem is Islam itself. They quote passages from the Koran and argue that even the most Americanized Muslim secretly wants to replace the Constitution with Islamic Shariah law.

These local skirmishes make clear that there is now widespread debate about whether the best way to uphold America’s democratic values is to allow Muslims the same religious freedom enjoyed by other Americans, or to pull away the welcome mat from a faith seen as a singular threat.

“What’s different is the heat, the volume, the level of hostility,” said Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky. “It’s one thing to oppose a mosque because traffic might increase, but it’s different when you say these mosques are going to be nurturing terrorist bombers, that Islam is invading, that civilization is being undermined by Muslims.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html

Perhaps it's no longer surprising in the current climate, but yet another mosque construction project is coming under increased attack from critics this month. It's time to add Florence, Kentucky to the list of controversial Islamic construction projects stretching from Temecula, California to Murfreesboro, Tennessee to, of course, lower Manhattan.

Another Mosque Project Comes Under Fire -- In Kentucky | TPMMuckraker

BTW LMFAO @ you trying to be the arbiter of what "kind" of a Christian I am and what a Christian "should" do. It just proves to me even more that this is all about religion to you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There are mosques all over NY City. Therefore, it is not about freedom of religion. You are the one who is attempting to frame the debate. You're not an honest Christian.

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

He isn't lying. The opposition to the NYC mosque is a part of the agenda of every person who would like to further ban mosques in the US., regardless of their proximity to ground zero.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

don't waste your time, he like all leftists just spout their talking points.

Hey, genius, arguing that it's only because it's close to ground zero that people oppose mosque building is a talking point.

And a lie, to boot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Evangelical wackos have declared war against Islam and screw the Constitution thank you very much.

 

[Jack Fate]

It's entirely about religion. The NYC mosque is not the only mosque being built that has been, or is being protested. If it were then I would buy your story. The opposition to the mosques in NY is part of a bigger agenda driven anti-Islamic movement in this country. I stand against that movement.

You would have a point if that were true. However, it isn't true since there are mosques all over NY City and there are not protests at all the mosques in NY City. Now you're making stuff up. If you're a Christian then be honest about it. If you need a cause badly enough that you have to lie to create one then it's not a worthy cause in my estimation.

While a high-profile battle rages over a mosque near ground zero in Manhattan, heated confrontations have also broken out in communities across the country where mosques are proposed for far less hallowed locations.

In Murfreesboro, Tenn., Republican candidates have denounced plans for a large Muslim center proposed near a subdivision, and hundreds of protesters have turned out for a march and a county meeting.

In late June, in Temecula, Calif., members of a local Tea Party group took dogs and picket signs to Friday prayers at a mosque that is seeking to build a new worship center on a vacant lot nearby.

In Sheboygan, Wis., a few Christian ministers led a noisy fight against a Muslim group that sought permission to open a mosque in a former health food store bought by a Muslim doctor.

At one time, neighbors who did not want mosques in their backyards said their concerns were over traffic, parking and noise — the same reasons they might object to a church or a synagogue. But now the gloves are off.

In all of the recent conflicts, opponents have said their problem is Islam itself. They quote passages from the Koran and argue that even the most Americanized Muslim secretly wants to replace the Constitution with Islamic Shariah law.

These local skirmishes make clear that there is now widespread debate about whether the best way to uphold America’s democratic values is to allow Muslims the same religious freedom enjoyed by other Americans, or to pull away the welcome mat from a faith seen as a singular threat.

“What’s different is the heat, the volume, the level of hostility,” said Ihsan Bagby, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky. “It’s one thing to oppose a mosque because traffic might increase, but it’s different when you say these mosques are going to be nurturing terrorist bombers, that Islam is invading, that civilization is being undermined by Muslims.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html

Perhaps it's no longer surprising in the current climate, but yet another mosque construction project is coming under increased attack from critics this month. It's time to add Florence, Kentucky to the list of controversial Islamic construction projects stretching from Temecula, California to Murfreesboro, Tennessee to, of course, lower Manhattan.

Another Mosque Project Comes Under Fire -- In Kentucky | TPMMuckraker

BTW LMFAO @ you trying to be the arbiter of what "kind" of a Christian I am and what a Christian "should" do. It just proves to me even more that this is all about religion to you.

I said you're not an "honest" Christian and I stand by that. This has nothing to do with religious freedom in the constitution.

 

[Jack Fate]

Evangelical wackos have declared war against Islam and screw the Constitution thank you very much.

Islamic fascists have declared war against the USA and wish to destroy the constitution. Thank God there are people with enough balls to stand up to defend this nation so asswipe morons like you can speak your limited mind freely.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I read David Horowitz's book 'Unholy Alliance' awhile back and it really was fascinating. The Left around the world do seem to have a bizarre fascination with siding with Islam. Personally i believe it has to do with their irrational hate for Christians. They feel that an Islamic takeover would be very bad for Christianity hence it would be good for them. In reality,their philosophy is deeply flawed and childish. The reality is that Islamic teachings are far more harsh and intolerant towards Leftist beliefs than Christian teachings are. The Left is just so caught up in their frothing at the mouth hatred for Christians that they don't see this reality. Therefore they feel a need to to side with Islam. For the Left it's just all about hating those Christians at all cost. If that means siding with brutal terrorists than so be it. It really is incredibly bizarre. Check out the book 'Unholy Alliance.' I think you'll enjoy it.