The Left Really Just Hates freedom

[LibocalypseNow]

Just go with Freedom & Liberty. It feels good and makes sense. We don't need Fat Police Gestapos controlling how much salt & hamburgers we are allowed to eat. Let the People decide for themselves how much salt and burgers they want to consume. Socialists/Progressives,let my People go!

 

[Rinata]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

You've topped yourself with this gem.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Why does Freedom feel so good? Because it's natural and right. So come on Socialists/Progressives,let the people eat their salt.

 

[rdean]

i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.

Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?

Still? Republicans perhaps, but conservatives, never.

 

[ihopehefails]

The left is the force that has moved this country forward at every step in history.

You are both wrong. It's not the right or left. It's the center that keeps these forces from destroying our country. Centralist are able to evaluate ideas from right and the left and make decisions with a more open mind without being blinded by political dogma and propaganda. Unfortunately, they seem to be shrinking in number. They are either going right or left or just tuned out.

There is no such thing as left, right, or center because if someone has an opinion then who declares that their opinion is either left or right or even center? Someone who believes in seccession, for example, may not fit anywhere on that scale but someone puts them on the right or the left. The question is why and who declares what is left or right. Can't someone just have an opinion without being lumped into a bunch of other people because that is what you are doing with left or right. Someone who believes in seccession gets thrown in with people who believes in abortion well what if we created a tough anti-abortion bill and the people in california decide to leave. Where would that put seccessionist then?

Do you see the point I am trying to make in that the scale really doesn't exist at all.

 

[rdean]

Why does Freedom feel so good? Because it's natural and right. So come on Socialists/Progressives,let the people eat their salt.

Why does Freedom feel so good?

Let's ask the gays. Get their "take".

Or better yet, Iraqi women.

Republicans have been "spreading freedom" for 8 years. How well did that work out?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why does freedom feel so good.

Let's let the minorities tell us.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Why does freedom feel so good.

Let's let the minorities tell us.

Now you Socialists/Progressives are gettin it. You are being allowed to express your opinions no matter how deranged i think they are. See how it works? Doesn't Freedom feel great? Maybe you guys could give of us some of it back no? Think about it and get back to us.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The gays and minorities would tell you to climb on board with them, LibocalypseNow , instead of hiding between the tree. You have your freedom, and only the far corporatist right and their political running dogs are trying to take it from you.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The gays and minorities would tell you to climb on board with them, LibocalypseNow , instead of hiding between the tree. You have your freedom, and only the far corporatist right and their political running dogs are trying to take it from you.

I actually agree with you somewhat on this. It's not only the Socialists/Progressives who are trying to take away individual Freedom & Liberty. There are others trying to do this as well.

 

[code1211]

i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.

Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?

Still? Republicans perhaps, but conservatives, never.

I am a Conservative. Tell ME why I am wrong.

 

[The T]

Why does Freedom feel so good? Because it's natural and right. So come on Socialists/Progressives,let the people eat their salt.

Why does Freedom feel so good?

Let's ask the gays. Get their "take".

Or better yet, Iraqi women.

Republicans have been "spreading freedom" for 8 years. How well did that work out?

Gays are FREE to be who they are. (Your deflection noted)...

Iraqui Women? What's your point here? (Still Deflection).

I guess FDR was spreading was spreading Freedom here domestically [nevermind the WAR] with his Socialist programs that gave government more power?

You have alot of explaining here to to deanie-boy.

 

[Amanda]

Or better yet, Iraqi women.

Republicans have been "spreading freedom" for 8 years. How well did that work out?

I'm not sure how you're getting that it's somehow modern day Republicans fault that the way Islam is practiced in the Middle East is their fault. It's been repressive toward women since it began.

 

[bucs90]

The left is the force that has moved this country forward at every step in history.

Forward, as in farther into debt and destruction? Sure, the left has done that.

 

[bucs90]

Why does Freedom feel so good? Because it's natural and right. So come on Socialists/Progressives,let the people eat their salt.

Why does Freedom feel so good?

Let's ask the gays. Get their "take".

Or better yet, Iraqi women.

Republicans have been "spreading freedom" for 8 years. How well did that work out?

Well, apparantly it's worked pretty good. Iraqis now elect leaders through votes, not by who has the most ammunition. Women are still not equal there, but closer. Hell, women werent equal HERE until the last 50 years or so. Freedom doesn't happen overnight.

Gays? What right does a straight person have that a gay doesn't. A straight man can't marry another man. Neither can a gay man. A gay man can marry a woman, so can a straight man. They both have EQUAL rights. If straight men were allowed to marry other straight men, but gay men weren't, that would be unequal.

And, if I'm not mistaken, people under former rule of the Taliban now have CRAZY freedoms, like going to school, listening to music, playing video games, not being massacred, that type of stuff.

Now that I think about it, lots of Europeans are free from what would've been Nazi rule also. So are many South Koreans. Lots of Vietnamese would be also.....had it not been for the left. Also thanks to the left, many Cubans are far less free than they deserve to be.

Me? Well, I'm 25, and in great health. I exercise, eat right, and drive careful. I actually would rather not buy health insurance. Roll the dice? Yeah, a bit. If I'm hurt, well, I'll be in debt for a very long time with medical bills, but I'd rather take that chance. Unfortunately, I'm no longer free to do so.

 

[Flopper]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

You said "I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom..." Well I can think of a few. Chronologically, there was social security act which gave the elderly and disabled the right to live. Then there was the integration of the military that laid the foundation for the civil rights act. Of course there was the civil rights act which was backed heavily by Democrats except the soon to be Republican legislators in the South. And then there was the Equal Rights Amendment. Although it was never ratified it has provided the foundation for much legislation preventing discrimination by sex. There have been a host of other initiatives to prevent age discrimination, gay rights, etc...

Of course whenever the government bestows a right on one group, it takes a right away from another. For example the civil rights act made it illegal under federal law to lynch a person of color because of their race. Sex discrimination laws took away employers right to pay women lower salaries simply because they were women.

 

[Bern80]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

The freedom to not buy health insurance and be penalized for it for starters.....

 

[bucs90]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

You said "I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom..." Well I can think of a few. Chronologically, there was social security act which gave the elderly and disabled the right to live. Then there was the integration of the military that laid the foundation for the civil rights act. Of course there was the civil rights act which was backed heavily by Democrats except the soon to be Republican legislators in the South. And then there was the Equal Rights Amendment. Although it was never ratified it has provided the foundation for much legislation preventing discrimination by sex. There have been a host of other initiatives to prevent age discrimination, gay rights, etc...

Of course whenever the government bestows a right on one group, it takes a right away from another. For example the civil rights act made it illegal under federal law to lynch a person of color because of their race. Sex discrimination laws took away employers right to pay women lower salaries simply because they were women.

Oh so very wrong!

For one, social security is a disaster that is about to go bankrupt. It's our national tumor that has yet to be discovered. It did not give anyone any more freedom. It TOOK freedom from many by forcefully taking money out of their pockets. Now, I for one am OK with that ideal, as I don't mind a small tax to help the elderly, but do not mistake that for giving MORE freedom to MORE people.

You touch on the idea that giving to one means taking from another. While you mention the Equal Rights amendment, you should also note that Affirmative Action does the same thing, except it MANDATES the discrimination in employment based on race and gender. It mandates that a certain number of white males be discriminated against through preferential hiring of any available who are not white and/or male.

 

[Bern80]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

You said "I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom..." Well I can think of a few. Chronologically, there was social security act which gave the elderly and disabled the right to live. Then there was the integration of the military that laid the foundation for the civil rights act. Of course there was the civil rights act which was backed heavily by Democrats except the soon to be Republican legislators in the South. And then there was the Equal Rights Amendment. Although it was never ratified it has provided the foundation for much legislation preventing discrimination by sex. There have been a host of other initiatives to prevent age discrimination, gay rights, etc...

Of course whenever the government bestows a right on one group, it takes a right away from another. For example the civil rights act made it illegal under federal law to lynch a person of color because of their race. Sex discrimination laws took away employers right to pay women lower salaries simply because they were women.

Could we be a bit more mellow dramatic? SS gave seniors the right to live? Give me a fucking break. They had that right. I think we need to define the word freedom for some people because a lot of people seem to think it means the ability to not have a care in the world. WRONG. Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do as long as what you do does not infringe upon the freedom of others. Freedom also has some serious negative consequences. You are free to not plan for your future for example, and under true freedom it would be understood that the only person responsible for the consequences of that choice would be the individual who made it.

 

[bucs90]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

Really? What freedoms have you lost due to positions from the "progressive left"?

The freedom to not by health insurance and be penalized for it for starters.....

Other freedoms the left has or is trying to take:

Freedom to eat salt, eat trans fats, drink soda, smoke a cigarette in a bar, wear a seat belt, wear a motorcycle helmet, use profanity.

The list goes on and on of everyday personal liberties the left has taken or is working on taking away.