The Left Really Just Hates freedom

[code1211]

Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially

Absolutely not.

On one side, you have a monolithic, nearly all white party of pretty much the same religion. Their best interests are them.

On the other hand, you have a political party that is a true coalition made up of nearly everyone else, an extremely wide variety of people. Blacks against gay rights, conservatives against women's rights. Many members of the Democratic party are against other members. The fact that they manage to work together is a perfect example of what America is all about.

No way can you compare the two parties. It's just not possible in any meaningful way.

Not knowing about a group and condemning it is bigotry, no?

I am white, agnostic, pro-choice, college educated, pro equal rights for all, suspiscious of any power center, cynical regarding any do gooder's motives and pretty much against the intrusion of government into my business.

I agree with most of our legilators that the laws they pass are useless. I think they should not have been passed. They refuse to enforce them.

Our strutting, posturing, lying, larcenous and double dealing representatives are over paid, over rated, under ethiced and under the table.

If you think that the laws they pass are just and wise and that they deserve more power, you are a Liberal. Also naive.

If you think the laws they pass are passed to decieve and to centralize power unnecessarily and that their power should be curtailed and limited, you are a Conservative.

Any particular issue can be reduced to this simple question: "Who will pay for this?"

 

[code1211]

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Everything you are talking about was when the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the early civil rights, liberals left the Republican Party and moved to the Democratic Party, while Conservatives moved from the Democratic party to become the modern "Confederate Republican Party". How can you not know that?

Is it "pretend ignorance" or you really didn't know?

This from the person who condemns or exhalts all things based solely on Party identification.

 

[code1211]

i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.

Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?

Uh, they are for this az racist law for one.

In what ways does the AZ law differ from the Federal Law?

 

[Skull Pilot]

How can Republicans complain the left doesn't understand "freedom", yet they have no problem with "domestic spying", worse, they have no problem with a "police state" where everyone needs "papers" and could be stopped and harassed at any time.

They assume that because they are nearly all white, no one will stop them. Everyone in Germany was "white". Everyone in Russia was "white".

Once again the "tolerant" left dimmy plays the race card.

But since you mention Germany and Russia let me ask you a question.

Why do you dimmy progressives want to emulate the very countries that spawned Nazism and fascism?

Neither of those two particular evils were born from the government designed in the Constitution?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I am probably one of the most liberal people posting here as I believe in above all else the idea of individual liberty.

I include economic liberty in my concept of liberty.

The only way to ensure individual freedoms is to apply equal protection under the law for every individual. There should be no laws for one racial or ethnic group that do not apply to all individuals.

The idea that the so called liberals of today have no problem with the government taxing me because I choose to buy a soda, or telling me what kind of health insurance to buy, or how much a business can charge for a product or service flies in the face of individual liberty. So in that sense most so called liberals misname themselves.

The biggest sin is the "spread the wealth" mentality. If a man is not entitled to keep the fruits of his own labor, is he truly free?

Both current political parties have some ideological differences but the results of each administration whether they be repugnant-can or dimocrat are always the same

Bigger, more expensive, more intrusive government. Period.

Thus insofar as results go, there is absolutely no difference.

 

[The T]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I am probably one of the most liberal people posting here as I believe in above all else the idea of individual liberty.

I include economic liberty in my concept of liberty.

The only way to ensure individual freedoms is to apply equal protection under the law for every individual. There should be no laws for one racial or ethnic group that do not apply to all individuals.

The idea that the so called liberals of today have no problem with the government taxing me because I choose to buy a soda, or telling me what kind of health insurance to buy, or how much a business can charge for a product or service flies in the face of individual liberty. So in that sense most so called liberals misname themselves.

The biggest sin is the "spread the wealth" mentality. If a man is not entitled to keep the fruits of his own labor, is he truly free?

Both current political parties have some ideological differences but the results of each administration whether they be repugnant-can or dimocrat always result in the same thing.

Bigger, more expensive, more intrusive government. Period.

Thus insofar as results go, there is absolutely no difference.

Agreed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Here my community, the traditional commencement prayer at a local school's graduation is eliminated from the proceedings because one student has brought a suit. This was not the result of a majority vote, just the opinion and greivance of one student.

I know, I know... Those who want to pray can pray with or without a leader. By the same token, those who don't want to pray can ignor the leader. Being in a crowd that is praying doesn't make your sweater smell and doesn't stain the walls. Certainly won't cause cancer.

I don't "get" what the big deal about prayer is. It does little for me except allow a moment to reflect. It does nothing TO me. If it makes others feel good, let them go for it.

That means you don't "get" what the Constitution is and means. You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on others in the public square. This is not a majority issue whatsoever.

 

[hortysir]

i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.

Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?

Uh, they are for this az racist law for one.

It's not directed against, so much, a particular Race as it's pointed towards CRIMINALS.
When a large majority of a certain type of person is committing a particular crime it's not profiling to seek out persons fitting that description.

We don't take a second look at 70 yr.old white women, at airports, do we??

 

[hortysir]

That means you don't "get" what the Constitution is and means. You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on others in the public square. This is not a majority issue whatsoever.

Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of a religion or the FREE EXERCISE THEROF

What part of "no law" are you not grasping?

 

[editec]

The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

You have been tragically misinformed.

I cannot entirely blame you for that.

Our entire MSM seems to be designed to misinform us about political reality, and our k-12 school system is not designed to really inform us about how the world really works, either.

Historically, the "progressives" brought us things like: the end of child labor; worker safty laws, the right to colelctive bargaining, the national park system, and various public health laws.

And many of those laws and regulations we can thank the REPUBLICAN PARTY for advancing, too.

You see it was the Republicans who really started the progressive movement on a national scale.

You remember that party, right? It used to exist, but it's been replaced by a group with entirely different values.

That Grand OLD Party also brought us an end to slavery.

Something for you old time Republicans to be proud of, AFAIC.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That means you don't "get" what the Constitution is and means. You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on others in the public square. This is not a majority issue whatsoever.

Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of a religion or the FREE EXERCISE THEROF

What part of "no law" are you not grasping?

What's your point? That only the Supreme Court can interpret the first amendment. I agree fully.

 

[skookerasbil]

The left is the force that has moved this country forward at every step in history.

Holy Mother of God

 

[LibocalypseNow]

True Freedom scares many people. The Left certainly doesn't support true Freedom & Liberty. However the same can be said by many who claim to be on the Right as well. Both the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons have a very poor record on supporting Freedom. Freedom simply gets in the way for them. Both do everything they can to circumvent the Constitution. The Constitution has become a mere inconvenience for them. In the end,Freedom & Liberty just scares the H*ll out of these people. It is very sad but it is what it is.

 

[editec]

True Freedom scares many people. The Left certainly doesn't support true Freedom & Liberty. However the same can be said by many who claim to be on the Right as well. Both the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons have a very poor record on supporting Freedom. Freedom simply gets in the way for them. Both do everything they can to circumvent the Constitution. The Constitution has become a mere inconvenience for them. In the end,Freedom & Liberty just scares the H*ll out of these people. It is very sad but it is what it is.

Oh more goofy paritisan blather.

You so don't know what you're talking about.

To you this is all about LABELS.

You need to read and read and read some more.

Seriously...if you truly love this nation, you need to start reading and stop hating.

 

[skookerasbil]

All of liberalism is a hoax. Sad thing is, all the sheep think that everybody wins in America, but its simply about picking other losers.
A great example is the manner in which the left partrays the drug companies as evil..........all the sheep buy into it hook, line and stinker........populist rhetoric ALWYAS scams the lefty!! So next year, the drug companies are going to get slammed with corporate taxes. The lefty is always happy when the capitalist gets fcukked.

But who really gets fcukked?

People with catastrophic disorders or depression, anxiety and OCD. These drug compaines have been performing miracles for these folks over the past two decades........developing drugs at about 800 billion a pop. Drugs that change lives and allow people to actually live again. Of course, that is due to the unique American business environment where innovation is rewarded. Unfortuantely, thats all going away now compliments of the anti-capitalistic stance of this administration. Who suffers in the future when innovation disappears and newer drugs with less side effects are no longer developed? The most in need of them in our society.........millions and millions.

Ahhhh.............but the lefty doesnt give a flying fcukk about these people.............after all......... capitalist has been screwed over!!!


So you see...........as I said..........liberalism is and always has been a gigantic hoax. Thankfully, a large portion of the country actually care about the "results" of public policy The liberal NEVER does.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stop the moaning, skookerasbil, as if you really understand. You don't. Incentive for profit in the research industry is not going away, and I know you can't provide objective, critical evidence to support your position.

Until the GOP starts putting people in front of subservience to corporatism and privatization, the American people will keep it in the minority.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

You can't possibly allow the People to decide for themselves how much salt they want to consume. According to the Socialists/Progressives,that would immediately lead to absolute "Anarchy & Chaos." Seriously,i have actually seen some Socialists/Progressives on this very board make comments like that on issues like salt consumption. They just don't support Freedom. In fact i think it even scares them. Pretty weird stuff.

 

[JakeStarkey]

More than 100 years of American history contradict your arguments, LibocalypseNow. Economic libertarianism would destroy the United States.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Let the People eat their salt and burgers. I assure you this will not lead to Anarchy & Chaos. The Socialists/Progressives are just over-reaching too much these days. I think many Americans are beginning to see this. Just get off our backs for God's sake.

 

[Flopper]

The left is the force that has moved this country forward at every step in history.

You are both wrong. It's not the right or left. It's the center that keeps these forces from destroying our country. Centralist are able to evaluate ideas from right and the left and make decisions with a more open mind without being blinded by political dogma and propaganda. Unfortunately, they seem to be shrinking in number. They are either going right or left or just tuned out.