The Left Really Just Hates freedom

Are you not the same person, who started a thread about land owners being the only ones who could vote?

I think the only citizens who should be able to vote are the ones who have paid income taxes. Only seems fair. And the voting age to be increased back to 21 as it was before. Obama wants it to be decreased to 16 years. He needs the young and ignorant.
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head
The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.
The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.


In 1866, the Republican-controlled 39th Congress established the Buffalo Soldiers. A law introduced by Rep. Isaac Hawkins (R-TN) provided for six regiments of African-American troops.


In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment.
{{{ The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.}}}


The First African-American Senator was a Republican


In 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed a Civil Rights Act aimed at the Ku Klux Klan.
The 1871 Civil Rights Act, along with the GOP’s 1870 Civil Rights Act, effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. Though the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually strike down most of the 1871 Civil Rights Act, the Ku Klux Klan was crushed. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.


On his deathbed in 1874, Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) told a Republican colleague: “You must take care of the civil rights bill – my bill, the civil rights bill. Don’t let it fail.” In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress passed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. President Ulysses Grant signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.


In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment


A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention


In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans.


The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican


The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican


In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces: “Discrimination in the civil service, the army, navy, and all other branches of the Government must cease.”

For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.



A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi


In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.


Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act

During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation.


Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock

Just a few days after passage of the GOP’s 1957 Civil Rights Act, the Democrat governor of Arkansas ordered the National Guard to prevent the court-ordered racial integration of a public high school in Little Rock. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower refused to tolerate defiance of the federal judiciary. Under a plan suggested by his attorney general, the President placed the governor’s soldiers under federal control and ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school.



just off the top of my head

Everything you are talking about was when the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the early civil rights, liberals left the Republican Party and moved to the Democratic Party, while Conservatives moved from the Democratic party to become the modern "Confederate Republican Party". How can you not know that?

Is it "pretend ignorance" or you really didn't know?
 
Are you not the same person, who started a thread about land owners being the only ones who could vote?

I think the only citizens who should be able to vote are the ones who have paid income taxes. Only seems fair. And the voting age to be increased back to 21 as it was before. Obama wants it to be decreased to 16 years. He needs the young and ignorant.

With what several of the union teachers are teaching students, it would be a boom for the liberals.
 
Your wasting your time, Gregg. You do your own thinking, although I have differing opinions than you...I do see your points and your honesty as you see them.
Rdean is nothing like you and it always ends up "Us Against Them" mentality, and honesty is not ever considered.

Honesty is always considered. And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals.

The brightest and most educated people in the world are probably US Scientists. Only six percent or less admit to being members of the Republican Party.

To anyone but a Republican, that is an incredibly dramatic rejection. Nearly a complete dismissal.

And Republicans, instead of showing a shred of introspection, a moment of indecisiveness, they insist scientists have no "common sense" and make up these bizarre and unbelievable stories, the same way they do about liberals and about he president.

There is no reason to make up stories about Republcians or Conservatives. The truth is far more extreme than anyone could make up.

Like I said about rdean...."Us Against Them" mentality. He/she just can't help it.

And who started, "We want him to fail" and "You are with us or with the terrorists"? Wasn't me. Wasn't "Democrats". Who was it?
 
Honesty is always considered. And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals.

The brightest and most educated people in the world are probably US Scientists. Only six percent or less admit to being members of the Republican Party.

To anyone but a Republican, that is an incredibly dramatic rejection. Nearly a complete dismissal.

And Republicans, instead of showing a shred of introspection, a moment of indecisiveness, they insist scientists have no "common sense" and make up these bizarre and unbelievable stories, the same way they do about liberals and about he president.

There is no reason to make up stories about Republcians or Conservatives. The truth is far more extreme than anyone could make up.

Like I said about rdean...."Us Against Them" mentality. He/she just can't help it.

And who started, "We want him to fail" and "You are with us or with the terrorists"? Wasn't me. Wasn't "Democrats". Who was it?

I'm talking about you redean....that's it...just you.
 
Are you not the same person, who started a thread about land owners being the only ones who could vote?

I think the only citizens who should be able to vote are the ones who have paid income taxes. Only seems fair. And the voting age to be increased back to 21 as it was before. Obama wants it to be decreased to 16 years. He needs the young and ignorant.

With what several of the union teachers are teaching students, it would be a boom for the liberals.

You said this, "Like I said about rdean...."Us Against Them" mentality. He/she just can't help it. "

and then you make those comments? Hmmm.
 
I think the only citizens who should be able to vote are the ones who have paid income taxes. Only seems fair. And the voting age to be increased back to 21 as it was before. Obama wants it to be decreased to 16 years. He needs the young and ignorant.

With what several of the union teachers are teaching students, it would be a boom for the liberals.

You said this, "Like I said about rdean...."Us Against Them" mentality. He/she just can't help it. "

and then you make those comments? Hmmm.

Hell yeah....try talking to the kids in high school and college sometime. It would make you proud. :eusa_whistle:
 
I meant more on the freedom aspect. Ideologically there are differences indeed
Your wasting your time, Gregg. You do your own thinking, although I have differing opinions than you...I do see your points and your honesty as you see them.
Rdean is nothing like you and it always ends up "Us Against Them" mentality, and honesty is not ever considered.

Honesty is always considered. And anyone who is both honest and a member of the Republican Party has a decided lack of values, ethics and morals.

The brightest and most educated people in the world are probably US Scientists. Only six percent or less admit to being members of the Republican Party.

To anyone but a Republican, that is an incredibly dramatic rejection. Nearly a complete dismissal.

And Republicans, instead of showing a shred of introspection, a moment of indecisiveness, they insist scientists have no "common sense" and make up these bizarre and unbelievable stories, the same way they do about liberals and about he president.

There is no reason to make up stories about Republcians or Conservatives. The truth is far more extreme than anyone could make up.

Oh? Are those the same scientists that are atheists? The non-republicans?
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head
The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.
The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.


In 1866, the Republican-controlled 39th Congress established the Buffalo Soldiers. A law introduced by Rep. Isaac Hawkins (R-TN) provided for six regiments of African-American troops.


In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment.
{{{ The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.}}}


The First African-American Senator was a Republican


In 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed a Civil Rights Act aimed at the Ku Klux Klan.
The 1871 Civil Rights Act, along with the GOP’s 1870 Civil Rights Act, effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. Though the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually strike down most of the 1871 Civil Rights Act, the Ku Klux Klan was crushed. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.


On his deathbed in 1874, Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) told a Republican colleague: “You must take care of the civil rights bill – my bill, the civil rights bill. Don’t let it fail.” In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress passed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. President Ulysses Grant signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.


In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment


A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention


In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans.


The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican


The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican


In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces: “Discrimination in the civil service, the army, navy, and all other branches of the Government must cease.”

For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.



A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi


In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.


Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act

During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation.


Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock

Just a few days after passage of the GOP’s 1957 Civil Rights Act, the Democrat governor of Arkansas ordered the National Guard to prevent the court-ordered racial integration of a public high school in Little Rock. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower refused to tolerate defiance of the federal judiciary. Under a plan suggested by his attorney general, the President placed the governor’s soldiers under federal control and ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school.



just off the top of my head

Everything you are talking about was when the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the early civil rights, liberals left the Republican Party and moved to the Democratic Party, while Conservatives moved from the Democratic party to become the modern "Confederate Republican Party". How can you not know that?

Is it "pretend ignorance" or you really didn't know?
Yes 'right' used to be 'left' and vice versa
I'll retract my post as the post I quoted wasn't specific in calling out the Republican party....it only said "left" accomplishments.

Sidebar:
As this is only my 3rd post on this board, how can I quote *just* the post I want to respond to without quoting every-damned-thing that was quoted in it??? :confused:
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head
The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.
The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.


In 1866, the Republican-controlled 39th Congress established the Buffalo Soldiers. A law introduced by Rep. Isaac Hawkins (R-TN) provided for six regiments of African-American troops.


In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment.
{{{ The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.}}}


The First African-American Senator was a Republican


In 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed a Civil Rights Act aimed at the Ku Klux Klan.
The 1871 Civil Rights Act, along with the GOP’s 1870 Civil Rights Act, effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. Though the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually strike down most of the 1871 Civil Rights Act, the Ku Klux Klan was crushed. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.


On his deathbed in 1874, Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) told a Republican colleague: “You must take care of the civil rights bill – my bill, the civil rights bill. Don’t let it fail.” In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress passed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. President Ulysses Grant signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.


In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment


A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention


In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans.


The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican


The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican


In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces: “Discrimination in the civil service, the army, navy, and all other branches of the Government must cease.”

For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.



A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi


In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.


Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act

During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation.


Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock

Just a few days after passage of the GOP’s 1957 Civil Rights Act, the Democrat governor of Arkansas ordered the National Guard to prevent the court-ordered racial integration of a public high school in Little Rock. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower refused to tolerate defiance of the federal judiciary. Under a plan suggested by his attorney general, the President placed the governor’s soldiers under federal control and ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school.



just off the top of my head

Everything you are talking about was when the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the early civil rights, liberals left the Republican Party and moved to the Democratic Party, while Conservatives moved from the Democratic party to become the modern "Confederate Republican Party". How can you not know that?

Is it "pretend ignorance" or you really didn't know?

The proper name for Liberal, these days, is Statist, but I don't use it often because most people aren't aware of it.
 
The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

Tell all this shit to the brown americans who have to show their paperz now here in Arizona....although, this dumb racist law wont pass.
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head
The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH). In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.
The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.


In 1866, the Republican-controlled 39th Congress established the Buffalo Soldiers. A law introduced by Rep. Isaac Hawkins (R-TN) provided for six regiments of African-American troops.


In 1869, the Republican-controlled 40th Congress passed the 15th Amendment, extending to African-Americans the right to vote. Nearly all Republicans in Congress voted in favor, though a few abstained, saying it did not go far enough. Nearly all Democrats in Congress voted against the 15th Amendment.
{{{ The 15th Amendment was ratified the following year, but using intimidation, poll taxes, registration fraud, and literacy tests Democrats prevented most African-Americans from voting for nearly a century.}}}


The First African-American Senator was a Republican


In 1871, the Republican-controlled 42nd Congress passed a Civil Rights Act aimed at the Ku Klux Klan.
The 1871 Civil Rights Act, along with the GOP’s 1870 Civil Rights Act, effectively banned the Klan and enabled Republican officials to arrest hundreds of Klansmen. Though the U.S. Supreme Court would eventually strike down most of the 1871 Civil Rights Act, the Ku Klux Klan was crushed. The KKK did not rise again until the Democratic administration of President Woodrow Wilson.


On his deathbed in 1874, Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) told a Republican colleague: “You must take care of the civil rights bill – my bill, the civil rights bill. Don’t let it fail.” In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress passed the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. President Ulysses Grant signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.


In 1878, U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduced in Congress the proposed 19th Amendment, according women the right to vote. Over the next four decades, it was primarily the Democrats who would oppose the measure. Not until 1919, after the Republican Party won majorities in the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives, did Congress approve what would become the 19th Amendment


A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention


In 1924, Republican President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, granting citizenship to all Native Americans.


The First Hispanic U.S. Senator was a Republican


The First Asian-American U.S. Senator was a Republican


In 1940, the Republican National Convention approved a plank in its platform calling for racial integration of the armed forces: “Discrimination in the civil service, the army, navy, and all other branches of the Government must cease.”

For the next eight years, Democratic presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman refused to integrate. Not until 1948 did President Truman finally comply with the Republicans' demands for racial justice in the U.S. military.



A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi


In 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional. The author of Brown v. Board of Education was a Republican, Chief Justice Earl Warren.


Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act

During the five terms of the FDR and Truman presidencies, the Democrats did not propose any civil rights legislation.


Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock

Just a few days after passage of the GOP’s 1957 Civil Rights Act, the Democrat governor of Arkansas ordered the National Guard to prevent the court-ordered racial integration of a public high school in Little Rock. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower refused to tolerate defiance of the federal judiciary. Under a plan suggested by his attorney general, the President placed the governor’s soldiers under federal control and ordered federal troops to the state, where they escorted African-American children to school.



just off the top of my head

Everything you are talking about was when the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the early civil rights, liberals left the Republican Party and moved to the Democratic Party, while Conservatives moved from the Democratic party to become the modern "Confederate Republican Party". How can you not know that?

Is it "pretend ignorance" or you really didn't know?

i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.

come on.
 
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Zona said:
i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.
Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?
 
The more I think about it the more I realize that the progressive left hates freedom more than anything. I can't think of anything they have ever done that promotes freedom in any way but I can point out what they do for power and power over others. Most conservatives are pretty content with leading their lives the way they want to without being bothered by the forced collective thinking of the left. Its sad that a country born with a new idea in this world is slowly reverting back to the old world way of thinking.

The Left is all about freedom, as long as you believe as they do. See any thread here as an example.
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head

Links?
 
Zona said:
i love when they do this. Ask them to show you something recent. Do they really think those things listed are what the republican party is about now? The things listed are considered liberal ironically.
Why is it so hard to believe that a Republican could still hold true to these values?

Uh, they are for this az racist law for one.
 
Give historic examples.


Heres some on the left.

Revolution to be free from England

labor laws

ending slavery

Womens sufferage

louisaina purchase

Cumberland road

Deplomacy which Franklin used to get the frenchs help in the revolution

higher education


just off the top of my head


Without trying to be too confrontational:

The Revolution was about lowering taxes.

Labor Laws are the thing that has undermined the need for unions.

Louisiana Purchase. Huh?!??!

Cumberland Road. Again. Huh?!!?

I suppose going into heavy debt is a typically Liberal approach to anything, so getting cash from someone else is a Liberal idea. Bleeding the French White and causing the downfall of that Monarchy was typical of Liberal planning in that they wanted what they wanted and cared little about the consequences.

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican? Who issued the Emancipation Proclaimation?

Higher Education. Hmmm... Maybe we need to check with Alexander the Great. I believe he recieved higher education.

Also, going into debt to fight wars, which many conservatives supported, is the same.

Tom Clancy is right, both parties are the same essentially


Peggy Noonan had an interesting article about how the parties work to help the parties and none of our reps work to help us anymore. It's so obvious that it gets past me, but it's absolutely true.

Noonan (and Clancy) are right.
 
I've lost the freedom to smoke. Where can I smoke now? I'm losing the freedom to see my doctor the way I want to. The government now controls most industries which controls the choices in products I want to buy. Think about everything you buy and realize that most of creativity of what you buy is done by the government as it legislates what products it can make.


You can add to that the freedom to pray.

Really, what prevents people from praying? only thing is government and school sanctioned prayer events, nobody is prevented from praying.


Here my community, the traditional commencement prayer at a local school's graduation is eliminated from the proceedings because one student has brought a suit. This was not the result of a majority vote, just the opinion and greivance of one student.

I know, I know... Those who want to pray can pray with or without a leader. By the same token, those who don't want to pray can ignor the leader. Being in a crowd that is praying doesn't make your sweater smell and doesn't stain the walls. Certainly won't cause cancer.

I don't "get" what the big deal about prayer is. It does little for me except allow a moment to reflect. It does nothing TO me. If it makes others feel good, let them go for it.
 
the right wing created dhs, warrantless wiretapping, the patriot act, adn free speech zones

enough said?


What party was in charge during the 30's and 40's?

Check your history. Nothing enabled by technology was the sole province of either party.
 

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