The Latest Sneak Attacks in a Coordinated Effort to Eliminate Vaccine Exemptions

You are a Stupid Poster as well. You are not an educated and experienced professional in these areas.

Go study what happens when the non-immunized pool grows in a population,

Stupid Parents, Stupid Posters, endangered community.

The nice thing is that matters are changing around, and your days of endangering the community will come to an end.

But the Stupid Parents threaten other Stupid Parents' children because they aren't immunized.

If enough Stupid Parents produce enough non-immunized children, eventually the Herd Protection breaks down and the entire community is threatened by Stupid Parents.

Answer: immunize the children. Or: remove the children to Good Parents, and have the Stupid Parents sterilized.

No, the entire community is not threatened only those not protected by the vaccination. You want to take kids away from parents and then have the parents sterilized? That does not sound like freedom to me. If only you had lived in Germany 75 years ago, you would have fit right in.

Perhaps you should be sterilized to prevent more stupid people from being born. Of course that assumes you are even attractive enough to appeal to a member of the opposite sex. You will not entice anyone with either your wit or charm.

You have not explained how the vaccinated community is endangered if vaccinations are effective in the first place. Thus you have failed in logic.

You have expressed a desire to take children from parents and to sterilized these parents. Thus you have failed ethics.
 
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This has already been explained. As the vaccinated community declines while the unprotected grow in number, the community protection weakens. Those who endanger others are failed human beings.

I have expressed a desire to protect children from adults who are political predators..
 
This has already been explained. As the vaccinated community declines while the unprotected grow in number, the community protection weakens. Those who endanger others are failed human beings.

I have expressed a desire to protect children from adults who are political predators..

I understand very well. Here is a simplistic model for explanation.

Say the vaccinated rate is 99% and that vaccinations are effective. Therefore the disease would spread only from unvaccinated to unvaccinated. A simplistic model would should the odds of random contact between unvaccinated as .01 x ,01 or .0001 or 1/10,000.

If the vaccination rate us 95% then the odds change to

.05 x .05 = .0025 or 1/400

If the vaccination rate is 90% then the odds change to

.10 x .10 = .01 0r 1/100.

The odds disease for the vaccinated in this model are zero.

The CDC starts getting concerned if the vaccination rate goes below 90% dpending on the communicability and severity of the disease. I can understand why since their concern is an epidemic among the unvaccinated.

There are concerns regarding a link between vaccination and autism. Despite the physician who did the study being discredited, no one has explained either the cause for autism or the dramatic rise in autism which could be classified as an epidemic. This correlates somewhat with the increase in vaccinations. The symptoms of autisim seem to correlate chronilogically with vaccinations.

There is a genetic link to autism, but there is also some other trigger because genetics do not explain the increase. The disease destroyed individuals and there families. So parents with autism in their family tree should be especially concerned.

If the government and medical community were concerned, perhaps parent concerns could be alleviated by spreading out the vaccination schedule. More research could be done on causes of autism and that research would also include vaccinations. Instead we have riders on the Patriot Bill to hold drug companies harmless and a disregard for parental concerns along with an evergrowing list of vaccinations. So called booster shots are given since is more economical that the titter.

Note that my original post did not advocate the elimination of vaccinations, but a more careful application of them. If parental fears regarding autism are confronted, then vaccination rates will rise. Failure to do so only increases fear and ideas of business interests being supported over health risk.

Finally, the posters on this thread should be more sympathetic to parents would have endured autism. This of course includes yourself who I find to be repugnant. Your suggestion of the use of force to deal with this situation is especially odious.
 
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People who dismiss a whole class of people without thought make morons look like geniuses.

I respect the RIGHT of people to not vaccinate their kids if that's really what they want.

But if they want their kids to participate with other kids in certain venues, they need to be prepared to get vaccinated, or abstain from participation. It's their choice, but that doesn't mean that the vaccinations can't be a requirement to participate in certain situations where epidemic is a consideration.

What situations would that be? Perhaps we could start by banning these children from public places like parks and restaurants. Arm bands could be made mandatory so these children may be easily identified. Then we expand restrictions to schools, government buildings, and all sporting events. Eventually we could place them on trains and ship them to concentrated areas to isolate them from the public. Failing these measures we could prevent epidemic by euthanising them with zyklon B gas.

There is no civil right to spread a deadly disease. Although arm bands is a good idea. That way other parents will know who they should keep their children from. You know that when a child has come down with one of these communicable diseases they really are put into isolation, don't you? They are put into quarantine and everyone they had come in contact with must be tested to see if they have the disease pre-symptomatic, and then they are quarantined too. No need to euthanize the diseased because they will die on their own.
 
I respect the RIGHT of people to not vaccinate their kids if that's really what they want.

But if they want their kids to participate with other kids in certain venues, they need to be prepared to get vaccinated, or abstain from participation. It's their choice, but that doesn't mean that the vaccinations can't be a requirement to participate in certain situations where epidemic is a consideration.

What situations would that be? Perhaps we could start by banning these children from public places like parks and restaurants. Arm bands could be made mandatory so these children may be easily identified. Then we expand restrictions to schools, government buildings, and all sporting events. Eventually we could place them on trains and ship them to concentrated areas to isolate them from the public. Failing these measures we could prevent epidemic by euthanising them with zyklon B gas.

There is no civil right to spread a deadly disease. Although arm bands is a good idea. That way other parents will know who they should keep their children from. You know that when a child has come down with one of these communicable diseases they really are put into isolation, don't you? They are put into quarantine and everyone they had come in contact with must be tested to see if they have the disease pre-symptomatic, and then they are quarantined too. No need to euthanize the diseased because they will die on their own.

People are isolated when they have a disease or have come into contact with a disease, not before. Thiose who do not vaccinate are not spreading a disease, but rather increasing the potential odds for a particular disease spreading among the unvaccinated. The arm band identification would lead to ostracization. It smacks of discrimination and totalinarianism.

As far as people dying of a disease, not all diseases have a 100% mortality rate.
 
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barry1960 is an enemy of American public health with his nonsense. Yes, smart Americans who care about kids and the public would to discriminate against his nonsense, a dangerous nonsense.
 
barry1960 is an enemy of American public health with his nonsense. Yes, smart Americans who care about kids and the public would to discriminate against his nonsense, a dangerous nonsense.

Pretty unsubstantial post. You really are not that smart are you?

The so-called enemy of public health
 
Not one word from Koshergirl or JakeStarkey on the rider on the patriot act protecting Ely Lilly. Tell me oh great ones, why would they do that unless their thermerosal actually did cause autism????
 
My post was to your own substantiated nonsensical comment. Don't complain about what you don't deserve.

barry1960 is an enemy of American public health with his nonsense. Yes, smart Americans who care about kids and the public would to discriminate against his nonsense, a dangerous nonsense.

Pretty unsubstantial post. You really are not that smart are you?

The so-called enemy of public health
 
My post was to your own substantiated nonsensical comment. Don't complain about what you don't deserve.

barry1960 is an enemy of American public health with his nonsense. Yes, smart Americans who care about kids and the public would to discriminate against his nonsense, a dangerous nonsense.

Pretty unsubstantial post. You really are not that smart are you?

The so-called enemy of public health

Really, from your response my belief is that you did not even read my post. Perhaps it was substantial and you do not possess the intellect to understand. You write insulting posts from the saftey of the internet because you lack the personal courage to confront those in everyday life. You are a coward.
 
Not one word from Koshergirl or JakeStarkey on the rider on the patriot act protecting Ely Lilly. Tell me oh great ones, why would they do that unless their thermerosal actually did cause autism????

Because they needed protection from frivolous lawsuits.
 
What situations would that be? Perhaps we could start by banning these children from public places like parks and restaurants. Arm bands could be made mandatory so these children may be easily identified. Then we expand restrictions to schools, government buildings, and all sporting events. Eventually we could place them on trains and ship them to concentrated areas to isolate them from the public. Failing these measures we could prevent epidemic by euthanising them with zyklon B gas.

There is no civil right to spread a deadly disease. Although arm bands is a good idea. That way other parents will know who they should keep their children from. You know that when a child has come down with one of these communicable diseases they really are put into isolation, don't you? They are put into quarantine and everyone they had come in contact with must be tested to see if they have the disease pre-symptomatic, and then they are quarantined too. No need to euthanize the diseased because they will die on their own.

People are isolated when they have a disease or have come into contact with a disease, not before. Thiose who do not vaccinate are not spreading a disease, but rather increasing the potential odds for a particular disease spreading among the unvaccinated. The arm band identification would lead to ostracization. It smacks of discrimination and totalinarianism.

As far as people dying of a disease, not all diseases have a 100% mortality rate.

Ostracisim is way under utilized. Today ostracisim is called peer pressure. It is used mainly to create anti social pockets of people who should be ostracized. Discrimination is a very good thing. To be discriminating is to be choosy, to not take everything at face value. Ostracism and discrimination are practiced by individuals who are structuring and ordering their own lives. Totalitarianism, on the other hand, is the government forcing people to accept that which they should ostracize and discriminate against.

To be sure, not all diseases have a 100% mortality rate. People did, after all, survive the black death. So why not bring back small pox, just for the hell of it.
 
There is no civil right to spread a deadly disease. Although arm bands is a good idea. That way other parents will know who they should keep their children from. You know that when a child has come down with one of these communicable diseases they really are put into isolation, don't you? They are put into quarantine and everyone they had come in contact with must be tested to see if they have the disease pre-symptomatic, and then they are quarantined too. No need to euthanize the diseased because they will die on their own.

People are isolated when they have a disease or have come into contact with a disease, not before. Thiose who do not vaccinate are not spreading a disease, but rather increasing the potential odds for a particular disease spreading among the unvaccinated. The arm band identification would lead to ostracization. It smacks of discrimination and totalinarianism.

As far as people dying of a disease, not all diseases have a 100% mortality rate.

Ostracisim is way under utilized. Today ostracisim is called peer pressure. It is used mainly to create anti social pockets of people who should be ostracized. Discrimination is a very good thing. To be discriminating is to be choosy, to not take everything at face value. Ostracism and discrimination are practiced by individuals who are structuring and ordering their own lives. Totalitarianism, on the other hand, is the government forcing people to accept that which they should ostracize and discriminate against.

To be sure, not all diseases have a 100% mortality rate. People did, after all, survive the black death. So why not bring back small pox, just for the hell of it.[/QUOTE

There is a difference between being choosy, peer pressure and the forced use of arm bans. Ostracism is a dangerous power than must be wielded very carefully. Germany went down that path in the 1930s with disastrous results.

Very very few diseases have a 100% mortality rate. As far as bringing back the black pox, you do realize that we do not vaccinate against this?
 
One starts smacking another poster when that poster is playing stupid. That is what I am doing and will continue to do. The fact is that individuals do not have the right to inflict harm on the community because the individual does mot want to take action that has been proven to have safe and constructive effects on the community.

People who are so foolish as to not vaccinate their children have the right to home school them.

My post was to your own substantiated nonsensical comment. Don't complain about what you don't deserve.

Pretty unsubstantial post. You really are not that smart are you?

The so-called enemy of public health

Really, from your response my belief is that you did not even read my post. Perhaps it was substantial and you do not possess the intellect to understand. You write insulting posts from the saftey of the internet because you lack the personal courage to confront those in everyday life. You are a coward.
 
You are a Stupid Poster as well. You are not an educated and experienced professional in these areas.

Go study what happens when the non-immunized pool grows in a population,

Stupid Parents, Stupid Posters, endangered community.

The nice thing is that matters are changing around, and your days of endangering the community will come to an end.

That would be evolution.
 
Ostracism of those who will not vaccinate their children makes good sense for the health of families and the community.
 
We the People in our legislatures make those choices for you, QWB. Your choice to refuse in some states are being slowly removed. You will have to live with it or emigrate to Afghanistan.

Not that tiny to the 6% of the population with those allergies.

However 6 percent do not die as a result.

That will be great comfort to the parents of children who end up with severe brain defects.
This is the choice of the parents, not the government. If you don't like that feel free to move to a country where they make all the choices for you.
 
barry1960 is an enemy of American public health with his nonsense. Yes, smart Americans who care about kids and the public would to discriminate against his nonsense, a dangerous nonsense.

He might be, but you are an enemy of freedom, which is must worse.
 

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