The Judiciary Committee's Ex Post Facto Approach To Impeachment Violates the Constitution

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Townhall.com ^ | December 9, 2019

The House Judiciary Committee has issued a report claiming, essentially, that Congress is not bound by any standards of what is impeachable. Citing Justice Joseph Story, who wrote a 19th-century commentary on the Constitution, the report claims that it is impossible to establish any ā€œcomprehensive definition of ā€˜high Crimes and Misdemeanorsā€™ or a catalog of offenses that are impeachable.ā€ Instead, the report says, Congress must collect the facts and then consider whether impeachment is warranted.


This conclusion is not unprecedented. It tracks the conclusions of some writers on impeachment, who (as I note in one of my scholarly articles) have struggled unsuccessfully to define what impeachable offenses are.

In addition to making a muddle of what is, and isnā€™t, impeachable, the report claims that normal "rules of evidence . . . have no place in the impeachment process"ā€”either in the House or in the Senate. In other words, the politicians may make up rules of evidence as they go along.

There is a name for the committee's ā€œlet's see what you've done then weā€™ll make up the rulesā€ approach: ex post facto.

This ex post facto version of impeachment is objectionable for at least three reasons.

First, it disregards how those who adopted the Constitution understood impeachment. 18th-century legal sources tell us that impeachment may be had only for violations of ā€œthe known and established law.ā€ The sources also tell us that ā€œthe same evidence is required in an impeachment in Parliament, as in the ordinary courts of justice.ā€ In other words, impeachment is not a political game of hide-the-ball. It is a judicial procedure and subject to the rule of law. Standards must be fixed in advance, not invented to fit the case.

The second problem with the committeeā€™s version is precisely that it violates the rule of law. This, in turn, opens the process to legislative abuse and undermines the Constitutionā€™s structure. By allowing Congress to invent rules after the president has acted, the committee's approach enables Congress to bully and control the president in ways inherently inconsistent with the independent executive office the Constitution creates.

Third, the ex-post-facto approach is inconsistent with the standards that actually prevailed during the founding era: Trials for impeachment (whatever Justice Story said 40 years later) were not politics-as-usual, but scrupulously legal procedures, and had been so at least since the trial of the Earl of Strafford in 1641. People knew what the rules were: An officer was impeachable for the commission of (1) ā€œhigh Crimesā€ (felonies) or for (2) what 18th-century lawyers called ā€œbreach of trustā€ and what 21st-century lawyers call ā€œbreach of fiduciary duty.ā€

Admittedly, no Founder stood up during the constitutional debates and explained the standards in detail. This is an area in which, as with some other parts of the Constitution, you have to make inferences from available data. But in this case, the data are copious. They include:

* statements by leading founders,

* the offenses for which officials were impeached in the 17th and 18th centuries,

* discussions of impeachment in popular 18th-century legal sources, and

* the foundersā€™ almost universal view that government is a public trust and that officials are subject to fiduciary duties.

The committeeā€™s claim that ā€œan impeachable offense is whatever we in Congress decide it isā€ may be convenient for the committeeā€™s purposes. But it violates both the rule of law and the American constitutional order.

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What Constitution? The Demonicrats wiped their butts with ours 20 million abortions ago.
 
It most certainly does not.

No matter what you may think of the process the democrats are going through the reality is that the constitution is essentially silent on impeachment proceedings. The house can impeach in any way it deems necessary for any reason that it wants. WE are the backstop for a corrupt impeachment proceeding. What the founders originally thought about impeachments is not relevant - the constitution is not a difficult document to read or understand. It clearly left the process up to the house and failed to define high crimes and misdemeanors on purpose - all of it is up to the house. Where the constitution steps in is not allowing the senate to convict without overwhelming support and sits the SCOTUS up to oversee the senate trial. Other than that, it is pretty much up to the house how they want to draft and pass the articles themselves.
 
Of course not give me a example for a impeachment inquiry against president Obama


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Well, to be logical for a moment, maybe the ex post facto issue can be neutered by requiring that the "impeachable offense" be a felony. I would personally buy that.

But in the current case, it's only by twisting the meaning of words beyond all recognition and concluding without any evidence whatsoever that the investigation was requested as a political favor, and not simply to investigate apparent corruption by a former Vice President, that any case at all can be produced.

Which is why the Democrats are losing ground politically with this transparent political coup attempt.
 
Townhall.com ^ | December 9, 2019

The House Judiciary Committee has issued a report claiming, essentially, that Congress is not bound by any standards of what is impeachable. Citing Justice Joseph Story, who wrote a 19th-century commentary on the Constitution, the report claims that it is impossible to establish any ā€œcomprehensive definition of ā€˜high Crimes and Misdemeanorsā€™ or a catalog of offenses that are impeachable.ā€ Instead, the report says, Congress must collect the facts and then consider whether impeachment is warranted.


This conclusion is not unprecedented. It tracks the conclusions of some writers on impeachment, who (as I note in one of my scholarly articles) have struggled unsuccessfully to define what impeachable offenses are.

In addition to making a muddle of what is, and isnā€™t, impeachable, the report claims that normal "rules of evidence . . . have no place in the impeachment process"ā€”either in the House or in the Senate. In other words, the politicians may make up rules of evidence as they go along.

There is a name for the committee's ā€œlet's see what you've done then weā€™ll make up the rulesā€ approach: ex post facto.

This ex post facto version of impeachment is objectionable for at least three reasons.

First, it disregards how those who adopted the Constitution understood impeachment. 18th-century legal sources tell us that impeachment may be had only for violations of ā€œthe known and established law.ā€ The sources also tell us that ā€œthe same evidence is required in an impeachment in Parliament, as in the ordinary courts of justice.ā€ In other words, impeachment is not a political game of hide-the-ball. It is a judicial procedure and subject to the rule of law. Standards must be fixed in advance, not invented to fit the case.

The second problem with the committeeā€™s version is precisely that it violates the rule of law. This, in turn, opens the process to legislative abuse and undermines the Constitutionā€™s structure. By allowing Congress to invent rules after the president has acted, the committee's approach enables Congress to bully and control the president in ways inherently inconsistent with the independent executive office the Constitution creates.

Third, the ex-post-facto approach is inconsistent with the standards that actually prevailed during the founding era: Trials for impeachment (whatever Justice Story said 40 years later) were not politics-as-usual, but scrupulously legal procedures, and had been so at least since the trial of the Earl of Strafford in 1641. People knew what the rules were: An officer was impeachable for the commission of (1) ā€œhigh Crimesā€ (felonies) or for (2) what 18th-century lawyers called ā€œbreach of trustā€ and what 21st-century lawyers call ā€œbreach of fiduciary duty.ā€

Admittedly, no Founder stood up during the constitutional debates and explained the standards in detail. This is an area in which, as with some other parts of the Constitution, you have to make inferences from available data. But in this case, the data are copious. They include:

* statements by leading founders,

* the offenses for which officials were impeached in the 17th and 18th centuries,

* discussions of impeachment in popular 18th-century legal sources, and

* the foundersā€™ almost universal view that government is a public trust and that officials are subject to fiduciary duties.

The committeeā€™s claim that ā€œan impeachable offense is whatever we in Congress decide it isā€ may be convenient for the committeeā€™s purposes. But it violates both the rule of law and the American constitutional order.

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What Constitution? The Demonicrats wiped their butts with ours 20 million abortions ago.

Impeachable offences are whatever Congress deems them to be. It's in the Constitution. Because "abuse of power" is noteably an impeachable offence in the Constitution, but is not a crime which can be found in the criminal code or laws of the USA.

Any attempt to obscure the facts of this case with process arguments, or claims that what the Democrats is doing is wrong, flies in the face of the fact that the Republican Party tried to impeach and remove Bill Clinton from office for lying about a blow job in a civil trial. Democrats are impeaching Donald Trump for undermining the safety and the security of the USA, obstructing lawful investigations and oversight by Congress, bribery, and corruption of foreign policy, and that's leaving out all of his Russia related crimes and offences.

And RUDY GULIANI IS STILL IN THE UKRAINE, TRYING TO FIND DIRT ON THE BIDENS, AND PROMOTING THIS CORRUPT POLICY UNDER THE DIRECTION OF DONALD J. TRUMP.
 
It most certainly does not.

No matter what you may think of the process the democrats are going through the reality is that the constitution is essentially silent on impeachment proceedings. The house can impeach in any way it deems necessary for any reason that it wants. WE are the backstop for a corrupt impeachment proceeding. What the founders originally thought about impeachments is not relevant - the constitution is not a difficult document to read or understand. It clearly left the process up to the house and failed to define high crimes and misdemeanors on purpose - all of it is up to the house. Where the constitution steps in is not allowing the senate to convict without overwhelming support and sits the SCOTUS up to oversee the senate trial. Other than that, it is pretty much up to the house how they want to draft and pass the articles themselves.

Very well put...

One thing to add to that; History supports the founders intentionally leaving the specifics of impeachment vague given that over its 231 year history the U.S. has had only TWO cases of formal impeachment and ZERO forced removals from office, which doesn't exactly make the case for the system being overly abused by partisan shenanigans.
 

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