The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R
To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.
The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.
So. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Thus I repeat.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

Of course they need to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.
Firing rockets into neighborhoods not directly attacking you is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.
Blowing up tea shops and school busses is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.

If they were actually attacking military targets I'd say go at em. But they purposely ignore military targets to target civilians and kids. And that is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.
 
The Palestinians were attacking military targets. Just as the Israelis claim to have been attacking military targets in Gaza. Only, the Israelis killed a thousand or more Christian and Muslim women and children in their misses. The Palestinians were more careful and killed hardly no Jewish civilians.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R
To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.
The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.
So. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Thus I repeat.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

Of course they need to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.
You're having difficulty paying attention so let's see if a history lesson will lend an assist.

Israel, by it's historic political position of "land for peace" has demonstrated a willingness to promote accommodation. Do a bit of research and you will discover Israel's previous agreement returning all of Sinai to Egypt, unilaterally withdrawing from southern Lebanon and Gaza and negotiating to give back nearly all the West Bank. As we know, the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza achieved nothing but to allow the Islamist terrorists of Hamas to gain weapons and ammunition with the willing assistance of the "Palestinian" beggars and squatters. The Egyptian government has learned that Egypt shares common threats from "Palestinian" Arab terrorists. The Egyptians have also learned that they can cooperate and find mutually beneficial relationships with Israel.

As usual, the "Palestinian" welfare fraudsters are their own worst enemy.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Where did you get that. Teach me something.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, You cannot go through Gaza, unless you take the HAMAS tunnel or go through the Route 4 Border Checkpoint. It's huge, you can't miss it.

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?
(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

  • The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
  • The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
  • There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
  • There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R
I just asked a simple question and you are ducking.

About the ICj, my guess is that they don't know.
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A border is delineated by by an ability to control it. Once a nation/state is recognized, that recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. Even the UN cannot take it back. The recognition of a state may be "express" or "tacit." The tacit recognition is any act which implies the intention of recognizing the state. As for the Security Barrier, it doesn't matter where it is placed, it would all be inside Palestine and a domestic dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R
International borders can only be defined by treaty.

Recognition, even by the UN, is a political move that has nothing to do with the law. The UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize states.
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While it is true that ONE way to define a border is through treaty, But that is not the only way.

The UN cannot make a state. But when the UN votes to admit a state, that is a "tacit" recognition. For instance, the border between Israel and Jordan is inclusive of the West Bank, by treaty. Yet, Israel has recognized the West Bank as independent. Thus, there again you see the recognition kicking in.

But I'm not kidding. where did you get the notion that an international border had to be by treaty. If that is true, then the Secretary-General of the UN is in trouble. The northern boundary is an Armistice Line. That wound mean there is no South Korea. Of course we know that is not true.

Most Respectfully,
R

And that is the end of that discussion. Once Tinny's silliness is countered, it's "exit, stage left."
 
The Palestinians were attacking military targets. Just as the Israelis claim to have been attacking military targets in Gaza. Only, the Israelis killed a thousand or more Christian and Muslim women and children in their misses. The Palestinians were more careful and killed hardly no Jewish civilians.
What military targets were being attacked with barrages of Islamo-rockets fired indiscriminately from civilian areas in the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan?
 
I hate peas! Always have, always will.

How come I can't PM you?







Chick peas are not the same as green peas, they are an eastern delicacy


Imagine that. An expert on the I/P conflict that doesnt know how humus is made......

:banana:

I don't think anyone who hasn't eaten a falafel pita with humus, tahini, salad and sauerkraut, should be allowed to give an opinion on the I/P conflict.

Sauerkraut? Pickled turnips, carrots, peppers, cauliflower and beans maybe.

I'd rather have shawarma than falafel

Falafel pitas with all the trimmings are good for those nights you want to go meatless. In Israel, they top them off with French fries (which they call chips). Great for vegetarians to get their protein.

Chips, very english
 
Firing rockets into neighborhoods not directly attacking you is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.
Blowing up tea shops and school busses is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.

If they were actually attacking military targets I'd say go at em. But they purposely ignore military targets to target civilians and kids. And that is not defending yourself from anyones aggression.
They cannot target anything. Homemade rockets do not have guidance systems.

BTW, the occupation had been going on for 37 years, before the first rocket went up. If you don't want rockets, end the occupation. Because the rockets are in response to that.

The rockets are not the problem. The occupation is the problem.
 
So do Israelis have the same right to defend themselves, from the rocket attacks, terror tunnels, and suicide bombings. When a genocidal Islamic terrorist regime who's aim is to destroy the entire Jewish state is in charge of Gaza, then Isrsel has every right to make sure these animals don't get their hands on the weapons to commit mass murder.
An occupational force cannot claim self defense.
 
Yours and Billy Bo Bobs, obviously. These silly Flotilla Escapades™ are propaganda stunts. They get minimal attention and even less credibility for that very reason. The islamist various islamic terrorist groups that promote these absurdities seek only to further fleece the international community for kafir dollars.
What a coincidence! You're something that rhymes with "stunt".

End the occupation and the flotillas will stop.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?
(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R
To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.
The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.
So. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Thus I repeat.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

You have to excuse MonkeyNazi, he's a programmed robot that just keeps repeating the same IslamoNazi talking points, regardless of the discussion or what the topic of the thread is.
 
The Palestinians were attacking military targets. Just as the Israelis claim to have been attacking military targets in Gaza. Only, the Israelis killed a thousand or more Christian and Muslim women and children in their misses. The Palestinians were more careful and killed hardly no Jewish civilians.
Shooting rockets at Israeli cities and targeting schools and buses filled with kids isn't an act of self defense. It's average behavior Islamic savages engage in on a daily basis.
 
1. Arms and Munitions: forbidden transfer under all circumstances across Israel's frontiers without specific permits - as defined in the Control of Exports Security Order (Arms and Munitions) 5768-2008, and in the Control of Exports Security Order (Missile Equipment) 5768-2008.

2. Dual Use goods and items: liable to be used, side by side with their civilian purposes, for the development, production, installation or enhancement of military capabilities and terrorist capacities. This list comprises:

Items listed under the Wassenaar Arrangement: As specified in the updated (2008) "Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Arms and Dual Use Goods and Technologies - List of Dual Use Goods and Technologies and Munitions List."

The Wassenaar Arrangement Homepage
You continue to find whole new levels of stupid!

From your link:
The Participating States of the Wassenaar Arrangement are:
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom and United States
.
Don't see Israel anywhere in there?
 
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