The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

[Roudy]

Out of date.

Doesn't get better than this, Egypt now executing Hamas members. Ok so we'll take the terrorist label off, but we'll still you as terrorists. Ha ha ha.

Death sentences test fragile Hamas-Egypt ties - Al-Monitor the Pulse of the Middle East

Mohammed Morsi waves during his trial at a court in the outskirts of Cairo, May 16, 2015. (photo by REUTERS/Mohamed Abd El Ghany)
Egypt-Hamas ties took a dramatic turn May 16 as the Cairo Criminal Court referred the death sentence against ousted President Mohammed Morsi, along with 105 others, including the Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mohammed Badie, to Egypt's Grand Mufti.

Hamas was provoked by the Egyptian ruling that targeted some Hamas members, including a prisoner and several who are now dead, namely Raed al-Atar, who was killed in the Gaza war last August; Hossam al-Sanea, who was killed in 2008; Tayseer Abu Snaimeh, who was killed during an Israeli raid on Rafah in 2011; and Hassan Salameh, who has been detained in Israeli prisons since 1996 and is sentenced to 48 years in prison.

On May 17, Hamas described the Egyptian ruling as a massacre against its members, adding that the ruling disregards human values, is unfair, was taken in the absence of evidences, is based on falsified facts, and provides a cover for Israeli crimes against Palestinians.

“The Egyptian ruling against a number of Hamas members is deplorable; it has tainted the record of the Egyptian judiciary, and confirms that it is a politicized case,” Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said May 16.

Hamas never thought that its military commanders would be sentenced to death by the Egyptian court; it always thought it would be by an Israeli one. This is because none of the movement’s members were proved to be involved in armed operations on the Egyptian territory. This decision may break the thin thread between Hamas and Cairo.

 

[Roudy]

This just in, Egypt executes Hamas dickhead! News at 11!

Egypt executes supporter of Muslim Brotherhood - Al Jazeera English

 

[aris2chat]

This just in, Egypt executes Hamas dickhead! News at 11!

Egypt executes supporter of Muslim Brotherhood - Al Jazeera English

Jordan executes those connected to ISIS.

Some countries don't play revolving doors with terrorists

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If only America was as powerful as it would actually have to be to have managed all it is accused of.

I see no parallel there. Israel didnt cause the breakdown of Pali national democracy.
But yet of course its their fault that Arabs cant seem to get along under systems of govt that arent
Theocracies or dictators or military rule. The Palis screwed that up...

Actually it was the US that trashed their whole political system in 2007 and has not allowed it to get back together again.

(COMMENT)

This is not America's fault. HAMAS is a "designated terrorist organization" --- and as such, under Security Council Resolution 1373, America cannot legally "providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts;" under international law and under domestic federal law.

This is really the case of the Arab Palestinians electing a terrorist organization to a position of power and leadership --- yet, unable to take responsibility for their actions and the consequences that followed.

The democratic process in the State of Palestine (alla 1988), is in the hands of the Palestinians; and has always been in the hands of Palestinians. No one ever took that away from the Palestinians; not Israel and not America.

Most Respectfully,
R

Bizarre argument. America designated Hamas as a terrorist organisation because of intense Zionist pressure, both foreign and domestic, which it now uses as an excuse not provide "any form of support". Interesting that SCR1373 fails to define the "terrorism" it rails against.

Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by the European union, Canada, Australia, Japan, and more recently, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and UAE. dufus.

Wrong again, Roudy. What a country's offocial position is and what goes on in the background are two different things. Saudi Arabia seems to have changed their position on the Muslim Brotherhood, which means Jordan, the UAE and Egypt are likely to follow suit. Good news for the Palestinian Resistance movement. The E.U. is officially "on the fence" pending the result of an appeal, but European diplomats are taking advantage of the situation to talk with their opposite numbers in the Palestinian Resistance. The Palestinian Resistance is also in unofficial talks with many South American countries, so things aren't as bleak as the Zionists would have us believe.

Who gives a fuck? Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by the civilized world, and even some Arab countries both officially or secretly.

A HRC S-1 NGO 4 of 6 July 2006

The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31.


[4 July 2006]


__________________
* The present document contains the statement that was to have been delivered orally by the organization(s) concerned at the first special session. It is issued, unedited and in the original language(s), as received. Its contents are the sole responsibility of the author(s).



The Binding Charter of the Current Government of the Palestinian Authority Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas

1. We support wholeheartedly all serious efforts by Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, and like-minded political leaders worldwide,to find an acceptable two-state solution of peaceful coexistence between two peoples in that small region – with human dignity for all.

2. However, to understand events in Gaza (and beyond) there is an urgent need to consider the implications of the 1988 Charter of Hamas – available on the net – since Hamas is the legally elected Government of the Palestinian Authority. 1

3. We have been alerting the Commission about the dangers of this binding Charter since January 1989. 2

4. Regarding peace, its Article 13 is totally negative: “ Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. (…) There is no solution to the Palestinian question except by Jihad. All initiatives, proposals, and International Conferences are a waste of time and vain endeavours .”

5. Religious hatred of Jews (not only of Israel) is expressed by a hadith or ‘saying’ that concludes Article 7:
“ The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews) when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: O Muslims (…) there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. “Only the gharkad tree [evidently a certain kind of tree] would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (this hadith , quoted from al-Bukhari and Muslim, both considered as highly reliable sources for the hadith or ‘sayings’ of the Prophet Muhammad).

6. Article 8, the slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas (widely quoted by clerics and others) is a blueprint for jihadist terrorism: “ Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its Constitution; Jihad is its path, and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes .” 3

7. Article 28 widens the circle of hate to include all Jews: “ Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people: ‘May the cowards never sleep .’” The Charter in its preface quotes Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, as saying: “ Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it .”

8. Article 32 refers to an infamous century-old forgery in almost the identical terms used by Adolf Hitler: “ Their plan is embodied in ‘ The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.” 4

9. Article 22 is an update of The Protocols, alleging that “the Jews ” control all major world events. It is here quoted in full (but without the koranic verses, which may be found on the various websites in both Arabic and English). This article – and others – indicates the rich ‘conspiracy thinking’ of the Hamas Charter:

“For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skilfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broad casting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution [1789], the Communist revolution [1917] and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there. You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establish- ment of their state. It was they that instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it . [quotation from the Koran] The imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East, support the enemy with all their might, in money and in men. These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are but one nation .” [Koranic quotes follow to prove the point: “if ye understand.”]

10. The CONCLUSION has a subheading: The Islamic Resistance Movement is Composed of Soldiers
under which article 36 states, inter alia , that the Islamic Resistance Movement “ will only serve as a support for all groupings and organizations operating against the Zionist enemy and its lackeys (…) “ The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion. Whoever takes Islam as his way of life, be it an organization, a grouping, a country or any other body, the Islamic Resistance Movement considers itself as their soldiers and nothing more .”

11. With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4. The grave situation in Gaza – and not only in Gaza – is linked to the Hamas Charter of religious and racial hatred, which merits debate at the Human Rights Council as soon as possible.

Notes:

1. www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htmand others. Co-authored (dated 18 August 1988) by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and Dr. Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi. See NGO written statements on Hamas: E/CN.4/Sub.2/2003/NGO/41: The 1988 Charter of Hamas and its evil legacy of ‘jihadist-martyrdom bombings’; E/CN.4/Sub.2/2004/NGO/25*: Hamas: Sheikh Yassin / al-Rantisi – The UN and a grave worldwide cultural clash; E/CN.4/Sub.2/2004/NGO/26: Muslim Brotherhood / Hamas / Hizbullah / Al Qaeda: Terror Legacy of ‘Jihad-Martyrdom-Bombings’; E/CN.4/2006/NGO/239: The 1988 Covenant of the Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas

2. Quoted by David G. Littman on 31 January 1989 (45th session, Commission on Human Rights), main representative of the World Union for Progressive Judaism (and again in 1990 and 1991); and since then, repeated regularly by him on behalf of the Association for World Education, and recently again for the WUPJ.

3. Article 8 – the slogan of Hamas – is taken from the 1928 Charter of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Article 2 of the Hamas Charter states: “ The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a universal organisation which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times .” And Article 1: “The Movement’s programme is Islam.”
4. Philip Graves, 4. Philip Graves, The Truth about The Protocols: A Literary Forgery (London, 1921 – his articles from The Times); H. Rauschning, Hitler speaks (London, 1939), pp. 235-36; Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (London, 1967); Pierre-André Taguieff, Les Protocoles des Sages de Sion. Introduction à l’étude des Protocoles: un faux et ses usages dans le siécle (Paris, 1992).

 

[flacaltenn]

Seriously, you want the Palis to own Israel and have them eating out your hand?
Also solve the fishing issue? FISH FARMING. Its the kind of innovated solution the Israelis might come up with.

But in this case, the secret weapon would be salmon, and a battery of fish smokers.
Hell, Ive just shifted the balance of power in the Holy Land.

White fish are a better option as they are less polluting, salmon are a dirty fish prone to parasite infestations and need to be tended constantly. Sea bass are an option as they are protected and only farmed fish can be sold under 42 cm ( 16 inches ). I am sure that with Israel's help the Palestinians could have a thriving fish farm industry in no time and a ready market for all the fish they could farm

Whitefish it is then partner. Want to go halvsies with me and be the Jewish founding fathers of the Pali smoked fish industry? Seriously, i can smelll the peace already.

Why not sounds like a good investment for the future, as long as we don't have to pay hamas protection money.

I always wanted to invest in Gaza under Hamas. What could go wrong? Would match the $12 of Zionist money I contributed to trees to Israel when I was 10...

 

[flacaltenn]

http://www.ijser.org/researchpaper\A-PARAMETRIC-STUDY-OF-SOLAR-AND-WIND-ENERGY-IN-GAZA-STRIP.pdf
Gaza - renewable energy for a just and durable peace - The Ecologist
http://library.iugaza.edu.ps/thesis/107606.pdf
Wind energy in West Bank and Gaza Strip

Only problem with wind energy is its duty cycle of less than 10%. The turbines would need to have a life of 50 years maintenance free just to break even as the population of Europe are now finding out after being conned by energy firms.

That's why folks should be looking for "off-grid" applications of wind. To do things that are not time-critical. Like smoke houses or pumping water or desalinizing water or making hydrogen or biofuels.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Dont think that plan would work. Jews and Scots are too tight with money... But if the Palis invented some bioengineered chick peas with garlic already in them, they might own the place in 20 years......

I hate peas! Always have, always will.

How come I can't PM you?

Chick peas are not the same as green peas, they are an eastern delicacy

Imagine that. An expert on the I/P conflict that doesnt know how humus is made......

I don't think anyone who hasn't eaten a falafel pita with humus, tahini, salad and sauerkraut, should be allowed to give an opinion on the I/P conflict.

Sauerkraut? Pickled turnips, carrots, peppers, cauliflower and beans maybe.

I'd rather have shawarma than falafel

Falafel pitas with all the trimmings are good for those nights you want to go meatless. In Israel, they top them off with French fries (which they call chips). Great for vegetarians to get their protein.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

• The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
• The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
• There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
• There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

• The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
• The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
• There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
• There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R

I just asked a simple question and you are ducking.

About the ICJ, my guess is that they don't know.

 

[Kondor3]

...The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

They also have the right to die,when they are stupid enough to confront Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, You cannot go through Gaza, unless you take the HAMAS tunnel or go through the Route 4 Border Checkpoint. It's huge, you can't miss it.

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

• The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
• The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
• There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
• There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R

I just asked a simple question and you are ducking.

About the ICj, my guess is that they don't know.

(COMMENT)

A border is delineated by by an ability to control it. Once a nation/state is recognized, that recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. Even the UN cannot take it back. The recognition of a state may be "express" or "tacit." The tacit recognition is any act which implies the intention of recognizing the state. As for the Security Barrier, it doesn't matter where it is placed, it would all be inside Palestine and a domestic dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, You cannot go through Gaza, unless you take the HAMAS tunnel or go through the Route 4 Border Checkpoint. It's huge, you can't miss it.

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

• The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
• The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
• There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
• There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R

I just asked a simple question and you are ducking.

About the ICj, my guess is that they don't know.

(COMMENT)

A border is delineated by by an ability to control it. Once a nation/state is recognized, that recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. Even the UN cannot take it back. The recognition of a state may be "express" or "tacit." The tacit recognition is any act which implies the intention of recognizing the state. As for the Security Barrier, it doesn't matter where it is placed, it would all be inside Palestine and a domestic dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

International borders can only be defined by treaty.

Recognition, even by the UN, is a political move that has nothing to do with the law. The UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize states.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Where did you get that. Teach me something.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, You cannot go through Gaza, unless you take the HAMAS tunnel or go through the Route 4 Border Checkpoint. It's huge, you can't miss it.

P F Tinmore, et al,

You can play that game pretending that there is no Israel, but that is just nonsense.

have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel​

You always crack me up with that lie.

You can go from Rafah to Jericho to Beirut without crossing an Israeli border. Where is this so called Israel that you are talking about?

(COMMENT)

There are consequences to that argument.

• The IDF would not be a foreign army. So there would be no occupation.
• The Arab-Israeli conflict would become a Civil War between two factions within the same turf.
• There would be no State of Palestine. The West Bank and Gaza Strip would be just regional names.
• There would be no point to an ICC Inquiry, because it would be a totally domestic matter.

There are a bunch of little things that would change. But how do you define an international border. And What then, is the basis for the ICJ Ruling on the Wall, since there is no border.

Most Respectfully,
R

I just asked a simple question and you are ducking.

About the ICj, my guess is that they don't know.

(COMMENT)

A border is delineated by by an ability to control it. Once a nation/state is recognized, that recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. Even the UN cannot take it back. The recognition of a state may be "express" or "tacit." The tacit recognition is any act which implies the intention of recognizing the state. As for the Security Barrier, it doesn't matter where it is placed, it would all be inside Palestine and a domestic dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

International borders can only be defined by treaty.

Recognition, even by the UN, is a political move that has nothing to do with the law. The UN cannot legitimize or delegitimize states.

(COMMENT)

While it is true that ONE way to define a border is through treaty, But that is not the only way.

The UN cannot make a state. But when the UN votes to admit a state, that is a "tacit" recognition. For instance, the border between Israel and Jordan is inclusive of the West Bank, by treaty. Yet, Israel has recognized the West Bank as independent. Thus, there again you see the recognition kicking in.

But I'm not kidding. where did you get the notion that an international border had to be by treaty. If that is true, then the Secretary-General of the UN is in trouble. The northern boundary is an Armistice Line. That wound mean there is no South Korea. Of course we know that is not true.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Slyhunter]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
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Most Respectfully,
R

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.

 

[Slyhunter]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.

So. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Thus I repeat.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), dealing with the trade of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW), is not in force yet.

The illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent their diversion to the illicit market, or for unauthorized end use and end users, including in the commission of terrorist acts; and act constituting an offense under international conventions or protocols.

It goes without saying that in contemporary times, SALWs are the tools of choice in civil wars, organized crime, gang warfare and terrorist attacks, and insurgencies. They are well suited for these types of actions to use, to carry, and to conceal. Illicit flows of SALWs are the tools of choice for hostile activities to commence destabilization operations and regional security considerations.

What law makes it illegal for Palestinians to import weapons?

(COMMENT)

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis. The Israeli attempts at establishing containment and quarantine of the region to reduce access to such conventional weapons is part and parcel, a Chapter VII, Article 51, self-defense measure.

Wherein, the Arab Palestinian have continuously conducted hostile operations against the State of Israel, a recognized member of the UN, for the last 67 years, and have made no good faith effort to establish peaceful relations. Hostile Arab Palestinians elements under the official control of the Government for the State of Palestine have attempted to use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of the State of Israel, attempting to use bombings, attacks, indiscriminate rocket fire, kidnapping and murder as a forms of coercion threatening the political independence, citizenry, and territorial integrity of Israel.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

To directly answer the question, there is no specific law, applicable to the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There does not have to be. The Arab Palestinians in Gaza, continue to open hostilities with Israel on a regular basis.

So "smuggling" is just more Israeli bullshit.

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have had to defend themselves since the European Zionists began their colonization of Palestine.

So. Nothing you said disputes what I said. Thus I repeat.

The Palestinians wouldn't need to defend themselves if they didn't attack.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas in Israel is not defending themselves.
Wearing suicide vests and blowing up school busses is not defending themselves.

Of course they need to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.