The gun used yesterday...was California compliant, it was likely and SKS

[2aguy]

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack...and to save lives....according to bill clinton and barak obama...

FBI, who actually collected real data and didn't repeat bullshit reports, said only 47,000.

Since we have only 200 Justified homicides by civilians, I doubt the 47K number.

Hard to really believe you guys who talk about how you needs you some guns so you can shoots you some Negroes... er... criminals... yeah.. criminals, would have 1,500,000 opportunities to do so and would only manage to pull it off 200 times.

No...the FBI counts bodies at crime scenes, they don't do actual research..as you know since you have seen the dozen studies that look at defensive gun use over and over....

And they show you are wrong...

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[JoeB131]

No....they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns in 1996, and then gun crime spiked...and gun murder then returned to the exact same level.......the gun ban and confiscation had nothing to do with their gun murder rate...since it stayed the same.......

again, guy, we don't need to hear your NRA Spooge.

33,000 gun deaths a year because of your fetish. Maybe now that the politicians are getting shot, they might do something about it.

 

[2aguy]

No....they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns in 1996, and then gun crime spiked...and gun murder then returned to the exact same level.......the gun ban and confiscation had nothing to do with their gun murder rate...since it stayed the same.......

again, guy, we don't need to hear your NRA Spooge.

33,000 gun deaths a year because of your fetish. Maybe now that the politicians are getting shot, they might do something about it.

2015......


22,000 gun suicides....
9,616 gun murders...

489 accidental gun deaths.....

With 400 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns....

22,000 gun suicides......more non gun suicides...making this number irrelevant.....

9,616 gun murders.......70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity.......

So your whole point is dumb...considering that gun murder is down 42%, gun crime is down 75%.....and violent crime is down 72%


The truth, facts and reality don't support a thing you say.....

 

[gipper]

No....they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns in 1996, and then gun crime spiked...and gun murder then returned to the exact same level.......the gun ban and confiscation had nothing to do with their gun murder rate...since it stayed the same.......

again, guy, we don't need to hear your NRA Spooge.

33,000 gun deaths a year because of your fetish. Maybe now that the politicians are getting shot, they might do something about it.

2015......


22,000 gun suicides....
9,616 gun murders...

489 accidental gun deaths.....

With 400 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns....

22,000 gun suicides......more non gun suicides...making this number irrelevant.....

9,616 gun murders.......70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity.......

So your whole point is dumb...considering that gun murder is down 42%, gun crime is down 75%.....and violent crime is down 72%


The truth, facts and reality don't support a thing you say.....

Facts mean nothing to the brain dead leftist duped anti-gunner fool.

 

[JoeB131]

2015......

Guy, I told you I'm not interested in reading your NRA Spooge.

You seem to think that 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries, and 400,000 gun crimes every year are acceptable, because you are so insecure you can't live without your "compensation".

I don't.

And I don't rationalize it by saying, "Well, it's only THOSE people who are victims.

Yeah. "Those people".

 

[skookerasbil]

No....they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns in 1996, and then gun crime spiked...and gun murder then returned to the exact same level.......the gun ban and confiscation had nothing to do with their gun murder rate...since it stayed the same.......

again, guy, we don't need to hear your NRA Spooge.

33,000 gun deaths a year because of your fetish. Maybe now that the politicians are getting shot, they might do something about it.

That's right s0n..........we fucking love our fetish!! And their's millions and millions of us our there..........oh, and quite fed up with all the anti-America gheyness. Progressives really need to start rethinking this whole violence shit.........things will go very badly for them!

 

[gipper]

No....they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns in 1996, and then gun crime spiked...and gun murder then returned to the exact same level.......the gun ban and confiscation had nothing to do with their gun murder rate...since it stayed the same.......

again, guy, we don't need to hear your NRA Spooge.

33,000 gun deaths a year because of your fetish. Maybe now that the politicians are getting shot, they might do something about it.

2015......


22,000 gun suicides....
9,616 gun murders...

489 accidental gun deaths.....

With 400 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns....

22,000 gun suicides......more non gun suicides...making this number irrelevant.....

9,616 gun murders.......70-80% of the victims are criminals engaged in criminal activity.......

So your whole point is dumb...considering that gun murder is down 42%, gun crime is down 75%.....and violent crime is down 72%


The truth, facts and reality don't support a thing you say.....

Self preservation is one of the strongest emotions held by human beings. Yet many on the left like Little Joe, will gladly give up self preservation, by giving up their right to gun ownership.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

 

[JoeB131]

Self preservation is one of the strongest emotions held by human beings. Yet many on the left like Little Joe, will gladly give up self preservation, by giving up their right to gun ownership.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

NOT having that shit in your house is self-preservation.

 

[JoeB131]

That's right s0n..........we fucking love our fetish!! And their's millions and millions of us our there..........oh, and quite fed up with all the anti-America gheyness. Progressives really need to start rethinking this whole violence shit.........things will go very badly for them!

Spambot, most Americans don't own guns, and even sensible gun owners are horrified by you nuts.

The NRA is very good at throwing around money, but if dead schoolchildren won't get the politicians to act, you can bet dead politicians will.

 

[2aguy]

2015......

Guy, I told you I'm not interested in reading your NRA Spooge.

You seem to think that 33,000 gun deaths, 70,000 gun injuries, and 400,000 gun crimes every year are acceptable, because you are so insecure you can't live without your "compensation".

I don't.

And I don't rationalize it by saying, "Well, it's only THOSE people who are victims.

Yeah. "Those people".

Your numbers are wrong.....and yet you post them.......you lie by omission.......adding suicides into the number even though countries like Japan, China, and South Korea have absolute gun control for law abiding people...and yet have higher suicide rates than we do...and Countries in Europe...with extreme gun control....also have higher suicide rates than we do....

Then those getting murdered with guns.....are actual criminals.......

And gun accident death.....with 400 million guns, and 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense.....a total of 489 accidental gun deaths.....48 children...in a country with 74,200,000 children......cars kill more kids but you don't care about that.....

And the fact that AMericans use guns to stop 1,500,000 violent criminal attacks a year...doesn't matter to you either....

you have an irrational fear of guns, and a hatred of gun owners....

 

[2aguy]

Self preservation is one of the strongest emotions held by human beings. Yet many on the left like Little Joe, will gladly give up self preservation, by giving up their right to gun ownership.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

NOT having that shit in your house is self-preservation.

And that number is a lie...you have been shown it is a lie....the guy changed that number and even then he used fake stats....and you still post it...

 

[gipper]

Self preservation is one of the strongest emotions held by human beings. Yet many on the left like Little Joe, will gladly give up self preservation, by giving up their right to gun ownership.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

NOT having that shit in your house is self-preservation.

Agreed...if you are brain dead FOOL...like you.

You fear guns because you KNOW you are too stupid to own one and the gun being a RWNJ, might shoot you all by itself.

 

[gipper]

Self preservation is one of the strongest emotions held by human beings. Yet many on the left like Little Joe, will gladly give up self preservation, by giving up their right to gun ownership.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

NOT having that shit in your house is self-preservation.

And that number is a lie...you have been shown it is a lie....the guy changed that number and even then he used fake stats....and you still post it...

Again...no amount of facts will change the anti-gunner zealot. Joe only believes what the left elite tell him, though he has nothing in common with them. His belief is so POWERFUL, he ignores his natural desire for self preservation. It is amazing how SOME human mind's 'work.'

 

[skookerasbil]

2aguy.....fortunately for us, gun grabbing has never been more unpopular. The gun control mental cases in here have never been able to connect the dots on guns. They talk about this stuff as if we can tom do the I Dream of Jeannie blink and make things all Disney-like in the world. Fucking k00ks........these are the people who need to be on a watch list..........

 

[JoeB131]

Your numbers are wrong.....and yet you post them.......you lie by omission...

Guy, you can throw all the shit against the wall you want, but the fact is, we could do just fine without guns..

And frankly, if you gun nuts aren't going to take any responsiblity for the carnage the bad apples inflict, that's kind of on you when they start rolling back your fetish.

 

[JoeB131]

And that number is a lie...you have been shown it is a lie....the guy changed that number and even then he used fake stats....and you still post it...

Because he never did and it's still true.

But the gun nuts don't like to talk about the fact most gun deaths are people shooting people they know or themselves.

 

[2aguy]

Your numbers are wrong.....and yet you post them.......you lie by omission...

Guy, you can throw all the shit against the wall you want, but the fact is, we could do just fine without guns..

And frankly, if you gun nuts aren't going to take any responsiblity for the carnage the bad apples inflict, that's kind of on you when they start rolling back your fetish.

No....we want those who actually use guns to commit crimes to go to prison....the democrats in this country fight longer sentences for violent criminals......why is that?

Ask the those murdered by their governments in Europe in the 1940s, if they were fine without guns....or the Mexican people who are murdered by their police and military who are working with the drug cartels...10s of thousands of Mexican people murdered by their government....are they okay without guns?

You guys know that 12 million people were murdered by their governments in Europe, 25 million in Russia, 70 million in China, 1/3 of the population of Cambodia....and governments around the world are murdering their own people......

And yet you think giving up our guns is a smart thing to do......living in a peaceful country......and that there is never going to be a chance of that happening here......and you are fools.

 

[gipper]

Your numbers are wrong.....and yet you post them.......you lie by omission...

Guy, you can throw all the shit against the wall you want, but the fact is, we could do just fine without guns..

And frankly, if you gun nuts aren't going to take any responsiblity for the carnage the bad apples inflict, that's kind of on you when they start rolling back your fetish.

No....we want those who actually use guns to commit crimes to go to prison....the democrats in this country fight longer sentences for violent criminals......why is that?

Ask the those murdered by their governments in Europe in the 1940s, if they were fine without guns....or the Mexican people who are murdered by their police and military who are working with the drug cartels...10s of thousands of Mexican people murdered by their government....are they okay without guns?

You guys know that 12 million people were murdered by their governments in Europe, 25 million in Russia, 70 million in China, 1/3 of the population of Cambodia....and governments around the world are murdering their own people......

And yet you think giving up our guns is a smart thing to do......living in a peaceful country......and that there is never going to be a chance of that happening here......and you are fools.

They are fools and they refuse to accept the truth. Ignorance can kill you.

 

[skookerasbil]

That's right s0n..........we fucking love our fetish!! And their's millions and millions of us our there..........oh, and quite fed up with all the anti-America gheyness. Progressives really need to start rethinking this whole violence shit.........things will go very badly for them!

Spambot, most Americans don't own guns, and even sensible gun owners are horrified by you nuts.

The NRA is very good at throwing around money, but if dead schoolchildren won't get the politicians to act, you can bet dead politicians will.

41% of household = plenty enough for me s0n. But trust me........millions out there who really, really love the shit out of their guns and hate mofus like you. In fact s0n.......may well come a day that fags like you may be more than a little queasy about taking a step out of your home because youre gonna be seen as a domestic terror bad guy. A trip down to the local 7-11 to get some chocolate milk will be quite out of the question.

Good luck with that s0n!! Get some Pepto s0n...........that shit is good stuff.

 

[Divine Wind]

....well, there is no reason for any civilian to own a gun.....

It always cracks me up how Socialist-leaning authoritarian people like you think only the police and military should have guns then you turn around and bitch about abuses of power by, wait for it.......the police and military.