The GOP is Livid...

[KNB]

According to Republicans in this discussion, it would appear that Ronald Reagan was never in business with the anti-American Islamic jihad.

How many Republicans on this forum think that Reagan did not sell missiles and give support to the Afghan jihad for his entire term in office? Anyone? If you believe that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist then you probably believe that Reagan wasn't arming the jihad, right?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Well, I never thought I'd see the day when a progressive actually calls obama out for his shitty decision. Congratulations.

You must've missed the thread where Republicans complained that liberals dont blame Obama for anything. Thats where several liberals listed several complaints and challenged the righties to come up with one good thing about Obama for every complaint we had about Obama. http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/360021-liberals-on-this-board-blame-obama-for-nothing.html

Needless to say the RW'ers came up with a good list like

1. He's a good father...maybe
2.
3.

See how projection works?

So you're not calling obama's decision shitty?

What Im saying is that you shouldnt be surprised liberals disagree with Obama on some issues thats called open mindedness. RW'ers disagree with Obama no matter what he does and are the true partisans.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And in 1985 there was no cable news, no internet, no conservative talk radio.

In other words in 1985 there were few ways for us to know about details such as this, and there was little or no way for us to discuss and pass information back and forth.

You simply cannot compare the two eras, and the way information flowed.

 

[Howey]

And in 1985 there was no cable news, no internet, no conservative talk radio.

In other words in 1985 there were few ways for us to know about details such as this, and there was little or no way for us to discuss and pass information back and forth.

You simply cannot compare the two eras, and the way information flowed.

So what you're saying is there was no Fox, no Internet forums and no Rush.

People were sane.

Thanks for admitting what's wrong with the world today.

 

[Howey]

And if he had missed the chance to bring Bergdahl home, they would have ripped him for that.

Uhm, he'd been in captivity for five years, no one said shit... until Barry Obumbler made a deal with the devil to get the traitor back.

Care to try again birdbrain?

Obama got McCain released?

 

[Howey]

The Towers were still standing in 1985.

And fell just as soon a conservative chickenhawk frat flyboy drydrunk, more interested in pissing off Russians and Chinese than swatting "mosquitoes" sat his ass in the President's chair.

Boy oh boy that George W.

We hardly miss ye..

Blame Bush 8 months into his presidency, and 6 years into Obama's presidency.



Never.

Gets.


Old.

And you idiots blame Obama for shit that happened before he took office.

 

[bripat9643]

According to Republicans in this discussion, it would appear that Ronald Reagan was never in business with the anti-American Islamic jihad.

How many Republicans on this forum think that Reagan did not sell missiles and give support to the Afghan jihad for his entire term in office? Anyone? If you believe that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist then you probably believe that Reagan wasn't arming the jihad, right?

I got news for you, dip shit, Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress had to approve every dollar of funding for the arms shipped to the fighters in Afghanistan. Trying to pin all the blame on Reagan only proves that you're an ignorant moron.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The Towers were still standing in 1985.

And fell just as soon a conservative chickenhawk frat flyboy drydrunk, more interested in pissing off Russians and Chinese than swatting "mosquitoes" sat his ass in the President's chair.

Boy oh boy that George W.

We hardly miss ye..

President George W Bush was the greatest leader ever. If it was Obama and not Bergdahl, I wouldn't trade the five prisoners for his release even if they paid me.

 

[Camp]

And in 1985 there was no cable news, no internet, no conservative talk radio.

In other words in 1985 there were few ways for us to know about details such as this, and there was little or no way for us to discuss and pass information back and forth.

You simply cannot compare the two eras, and the way information flowed.

We had better access to news and the public was better informed back in those days. And we did have cable news in 1985. CNN, with Ted Turner in control, was way better than it is today. We also had c-span. There were radio talk shows, but they were more news oriented and conducted by actual news reporters who did a discussion show in addition to their normal news reporting job. It was usually more like a well known reporter delving deeper into stories through the us of interviewing people involved in the stories. Also, people read newspapers everyday as a daily routine. News magazines were popular also.
One should also remember that all the broadcast networks had big news departments with investigative reporters. Competition between the broadcast news organizations was fierce and local affiliate stations all had news departments and competed as well.
When a news group, TV or Print, got caught misrepresenting facts it became a big news story in and of itself. They couldn't afford to have a reputation of misreporting or sloppy reporting. The competitive nature of the business wouldn't allow it. So, we had print news competing with radio news and both competing with TV news. And the name of the game was accuracy and speed in getting the story out in front of the public before all the competition.

 

[Freewill]

obama traded five high value commanders for one deserter and traitor.

That's the difference.

The last time obama released a commander we got ISIS.

I understand you don't like America and I don't know if you ever served in the military. But regardless of your dislikes, there are a couple of things you should have learned in civics class, if nowhere else.

First, in this country you get a trial and are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Second, we don't leave our people behind. That was something both Regan and Obama understood. It is something our military commanders understood. I get that you don't understand, which makes me happy I never had to serve with you.

Of course, in this country you also get to speak your mind, no matter how closed and small it might be.

I agree with the principle that we don't leave people behind, but how can we say that he was being left behind when he is the one that left? Captured, yes we do what we can but just walking away, that is a different story he did it to himself. Much like the Marine that is in the Mexico jail. The same liberals that defend Obama releasing 5 terrorists are the same ones that will tell us our Marine in jail just had it coming because he broke the law.

Now, even though he willing went over to the other side, as all accounts indicate. That does not mean we don't get him back it is just a matter of at what price. There is no indication that this man served with honor and distinction, just the opposite.

So do we trade a nuke bomb for the guy? Hell no. Do we trade a truck load of weapons? Maybe. Do we release 5 guys sworn to kill Americans? Well if you or one of yours are killed by one of those 5 I would think you might say no.

 

[zeke]

According to Republicans in this discussion, it would appear that Ronald Reagan was never in business with the anti-American Islamic jihad.

How many Republicans on this forum think that Reagan did not sell missiles and give support to the Afghan jihad for his entire term in office? Anyone? If you believe that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist then you probably believe that Reagan wasn't arming the jihad, right?

I got news for you, dip shit, Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress had to approve every dollar of funding for the arms shipped to the fighters in Afghanistan. Trying to pin all the blame on Reagan only proves that you're an ignorant moron.

What you wrote proves once again that you fucking right wing wack jobs never, ever have the balls to stand up and say; a republican fucked up.

Instead it is more of the same. Just like the Iraq war. You right wingers just have to try and pass blame to ANYONE other than the person who started the whole fucking mess. Unless it is Obama. Obama is responsible for everything. Even shit that happened when he wasn't President. What a powerful man that Obama is.

With his (Obama's) tiny little shoulders, I don't know how he carries all the Republican fuck ups.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

And if he had missed the chance to bring Bergdahl home, they would have ripped him for that.

Republicans ripped Reagan a new one for this decision.

The truth is President Reagan didn't trade arms for hostages.

 

[Camp]

And if he had missed the chance to bring Bergdahl home, they would have ripped him for that.

Republicans ripped Reagan a new one for this decision.

The truth is President Reagan didn't trade arms for hostages.

Sure he did. Reagan revisionist just use the fact that the arms deal was with Iran and the hostages were held be Hezbollah in Lebanon, hence, when the hostages were released it was through Hezbollah and not the people who received the arms, Iran. The problem with that revisionist bull shit is that ample evidence exist that Hezbollah was not only financially supported and equipped by Iran, but controlled in large part by Iran through the Iranian Guards who were in place in Lebanon as advisers and trainers.
Of course it may have just been a coincidence that when the Iranian's received their missiles, hostages got released. There is always that possibility.

 

[Samson]

And if he had missed the chance to bring Bergdahl home, they would have ripped him for that.

Republicans ripped Reagan a new one for this decision.

The truth is President Reagan didn't trade arms for hostages.

So Dole fabricated his accusations during his campaign agaist Bush during the '88 elections?

I cannot wait to see Hillary defend Obama from other Democrat presidential candidates (should there be any? Biden?) during her 2016 campaign.

 

[Antares]

They weren't just Mohammend six packs you freaking moron. The level of Taliban leadership is akin to Americans releasing 4 Hitler Cabinet Ministers and 1 Rommel for a hostage who deserted to the NAZIs.

During a time of war.

That kinda made me wet

 

[Antares]

According to Republicans in this discussion, it would appear that Ronald Reagan was never in business with the anti-American Islamic jihad.

How many Republicans on this forum think that Reagan did not sell missiles and give support to the Afghan jihad for his entire term in office? Anyone? If you believe that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist then you probably believe that Reagan wasn't arming the jihad, right?

I got news for you, dip shit, Tip O'Neil and the Democrat Congress had to approve every dollar of funding for the arms shipped to the fighters in Afghanistan. Trying to pin all the blame on Reagan only proves that you're an ignorant moron.

What you wrote proves once again that you fucking right wing wack jobs never, ever have the balls to stand up and say; a republican fucked up.

Instead it is more of the same. Just like the Iraq war. You right wingers just have to try and pass blame to ANYONE other than the person who started the whole fucking mess. Unless it is Obama. Obama is responsible for everything. Even shit that happened when he wasn't President. What a powerful man that Obama is.

With his (Obama's) tiny little shoulders, I don't know how he carries all the Republican fuck ups.

That's hilarious projection.

Reagan fucked up with the trade.
Reagan fucked up with amnesty.
Daddy Bush fucked up on taxes.
Baby Bush fucked up on Iraq, Tarp, the Dream Act.

Obama has fucked up EVERYTHING he has touched.

 

[Wildman]

obama traded five high value commanders for one deserter and traitor.

That's the difference.

The last time obama released a commander we got ISIS.

How long have those "high value commanders" been in our custody?

Until they Die.


Next Stupid Question, I begin Charging you.

we really need to speed up this process, and i know how, just send me to Gitmo with my equipment. ....

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And in 1985 there was no cable news, no internet, no conservative talk radio.

In other words in 1985 there were few ways for us to know about details such as this, and there was little or no way for us to discuss and pass information back and forth.

You simply cannot compare the two eras, and the way information flowed.

We had better access to news and the public was better informed back in those days. And we did have cable news in 1985. CNN, with Ted Turner in control, was way better than it is today. We also had c-span. There were radio talk shows, but they were more news oriented and conducted by actual news reporters who did a discussion show in addition to their normal news reporting job. It was usually more like a well known reporter delving deeper into stories through the us of interviewing people involved in the stories. Also, people read newspapers everyday as a daily routine. News magazines were popular also.
One should also remember that all the broadcast networks had big news departments with investigative reporters. Competition between the broadcast news organizations was fierce and local affiliate stations all had news departments and competed as well.
When a news group, TV or Print, got caught misrepresenting facts it became a big news story in and of itself. They couldn't afford to have a reputation of misreporting or sloppy reporting. The competitive nature of the business wouldn't allow it. So, we had print news competing with radio news and both competing with TV news. And the name of the game was accuracy and speed in getting the story out in front of the public before all the competition.

There were a few sources outside of broadcast news, and there was always the print media.
But the information flow was a fraction of what it is today, and there was no networking, no way the average person could create their own media as today.
You simply cannot compare the two times. The example that the OP gives for instance, was probably only known by a very small percentage of the population. Those that did know had vey few ways of expressing their concerns.
You could call your lawmakers, and maybe write a letter to the editor and it may have gotten published in your local paper, but today we trade ideas and information instantaneously, and we do it continually.
Those options simply were not available at that time. Had it been there would have been a lot of things that Reagan did for instance that would have caused outrage to his base.
I remember being absolutely beside myself with fury over his handling of the Marines killed in Lebannon.
The same with his amnesty, my family wanted to hang him by his testicles for that.
There was little way of expressing our outrage to thousands or millions of people like we can today.

 

[Antares]

And fell just as soon a conservative chickenhawk frat flyboy drydrunk, more interested in pissing off Russians and Chinese than swatting "mosquitoes" sat his ass in the President's chair.

Boy oh boy that George W.

We hardly miss ye..

Blame Bush 8 months into his presidency, and 6 years into Obama's presidency.



Never.

Gets.


Old.

And you idiots blame Obama for shit that happened before he took office.

And you moron's blame Bush for everything happening SINCE the Boi King has been President.

 

[Antares]

obama traded five high value commanders for one deserter and traitor.

That's the difference.

The last time obama released a commander we got ISIS.

How long have those "high value commanders" been in our custody?

Until the "Cessation" of hostilities.

Educate yourself.