The Folly of "Peace Talks" Talk

[HistoryBefore67]

John Kerry is the latest to engage in the folly of trying to start peace talks between Israel and the "Palestinians."

As usual, the PA is citing "settlement construction" as the justification for its refusal to come to the table.

As usual, the cart is preceding the horse.

The first step in this process must be the establishment of unified "Palestinian" leadership. What good is a peace treaty with the PA if the population of Gaza, ruled by Hamas (which has recently stated it will not recoginize a Jewish State), refuses to abide by it?

The second step is that the "Palestinians" must abandon the absurd notion of a "Right of Return" to Israel. Again, what good is a peace treaty if it will simply open the door for the Arabs to destroy Israel through demographics?

Finally, the "Palestinians" must abandon the notion that "East Jerusalem" will ever be given to them. Israel is NEVER going to give control of its holiest sites over to the Arabs.

Once these issues are addressed, matters such as division of land and "settlement" construction can be addressed through negotiation.

But, let's not kid ourselves. The real problem here is that the Arabs want Israel to make all the concessions, while they risk nothing, promise nothing, and deliver nothing in return.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

John Kerry is the latest to engage in the folly of trying to start peace talks between Israel and the "Palestinians."

As usual, the PA is citing "settlement construction" as the justification for its refusal to come to the table.

As usual, the cart is preceding the horse.

The first step in this process must be the establishment of unified "Palestinian" leadership. What good is a peace treaty with the PA if the population of Gaza, ruled by Hamas (which has recently stated it will not recoginize a Jewish State), refuses to abide by it?

The second step is that the "Palestinians" must abandon the absurd notion of a "Right of Return" to Israel. Again, what good is a peace treaty if it will simply open the door for the Arabs to destroy Israel through demographics?

Finally, the "Palestinians" must abandon the notion that "East Jerusalem" will ever be given to them. Israel is NEVER going to give control of its holiest sites over to the Arabs.

Once these issues are addressed, matters such as division of land and "settlement" construction can be addressed through negotiation.

But, let's not kid ourselves. The real problem here is that the Arabs want Israel to make all the concessions, while they risk nothing, promise nothing, and deliver nothing in return.

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[toastman]

John Kerry is the latest to engage in the folly of trying to start peace talks between Israel and the "Palestinians."

As usual, the PA is citing "settlement construction" as the justification for its refusal to come to the table.

As usual, the cart is preceding the horse.

The first step in this process must be the establishment of unified "Palestinian" leadership. What good is a peace treaty with the PA if the population of Gaza, ruled by Hamas (which has recently stated it will not recoginize a Jewish State), refuses to abide by it?

The second step is that the "Palestinians" must abandon the absurd notion of a "Right of Return" to Israel. Again, what good is a peace treaty if it will simply open the door for the Arabs to destroy Israel through demographics?

Finally, the "Palestinians" must abandon the notion that "East Jerusalem" will ever be given to them. Israel is NEVER going to give control of its holiest sites over to the Arabs.

Once these issues are addressed, matters such as division of land and "settlement" construction can be addressed through negotiation.

But, let's not kid ourselves. The real problem here is that the Arabs want Israel to make all the concessions, while they risk nothing, promise nothing, and deliver nothing in return.

Well said HB67 !!

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

 

[toastman]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

Huh? Which part of their land is Israel asking them to give ????

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

How do you work that one out then?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

 

[MJB12741]

Good point. The Palestinians need a Palestinian State with their own borders &self determination outside of any control by Israel. Do you think Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

And how, pray tell, would you do that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good point. The Palestinians need a Palestinian State with their own borders &self determination outside of any control by Israel. Do you think Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

Do you think Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Sure, they would fit right in.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizgQJg5J8U]Burning Wheels: Palestinian women racing towards freedom - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

First you say
Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

When I asked how you work that statement out you reply with
Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

I will ask again, how did Israel "never legally acquire any land"

 

[P F Tinmore]

How do you work that one out then?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

First you say
Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

When I asked how you work that statement out you reply with
Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

I will ask again, how did Israel "never legally acquire any land"

It just never happened. There has been no treaty or agreement transferring any land to Israel.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Still waiting to hear how you'd redraw the borders...

 

[MJB12741]

Yayhoo! We did it Tinmore. We agree. We found the place for a Palestinian State far enough away from any control by Israel. Fire up them engines & let the race to Mecca begin.

Good point. The Palestinians need a Palestinian State with their own borders &self determination outside of any control by Israel. Do you think Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Good question. Part of the peace process is redrawing Palestine's borders so that Israel would no longer be inside them.

Do you think Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Sure, they would fit right in.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizgQJg5J8U]Burning Wheels: Palestinian women racing towards freedom - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toastman]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

Please show me where you read this. I would LOVE to see one piece of document that suggest Israel is inside Palestine

 

[Lipush]

The problem with the peace process is that it requires the Palestinian to surrender, disarm, and give most of their land to Israel while Israel makes zero concessions.

Meanwhile Israel was always the one to give up to ridiculous demands while the Palestinian did nothing for peace so far

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I keep thinking back to the thousands of terrorists released in exchange for Gilad Shalit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think you've done an excellent job of summarizing the mentality of most "Palestinian" leaders.

They think that all of Israel is theirs and, as a result, Israel should beg for scraps.

One problem with that mindset: reality.

Israel exists and that's not going to change. In the end, it does not really matter if the "Palestinians" think that is right. What matters is that they accept reality, and take a pragmatic approach to resolving their differences with Israel.

That's what a compromise is.

The "Palestinians," like you, are incapable of compromise.

Israel exists inside Palestine. Israel never legally acquired any land.

Please show me where you read this. I would LOVE to see one piece of document that suggest Israel is inside Palestine

No you wouldn't. The 1949 armistice agreements. I can post links if you like.