Myths, Hypotheses and Facts Concerning the Origin of Peoples

[Roudy]

Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".


What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -


"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Are you saying that these quoted individuals know more about this issue than free-lance journalists from England, members of American academia, and people who start "Human Rights Organizations" from the back of their VW vans?

Imagine that.

 

[Roudy]

Are you saying that these quoted individuals know more about this issue than free-lance journalists from England, members of American academia, and people who start "Human Rights Organizations" from the back of their VW vans?

Imagine that.

Yeah, funny part is, before 1960's if you called an Arab a "Palestinian" it would be considered an insult since it meant you're calling him or her a JEW.

 

[Coyote]

Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".


What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -


"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

What you've got is a list of partial quotes without any context. What sort of source is http://www.imninalu.net?

How is that different than the contextless anti-Israeli quotes we see about wiping out Palestinians?

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

What is the arbritary date by which a people can become a people?

 

[Connery]

Moved to I/P

 

[toastman]

Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".


What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -


"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

What you've got is a list of partial quotes without any context. What sort of source is Im Nin'alu

How is that different than the contextless anti-Israeli quotes we see about wiping out Palestinians?

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

What is the arbritary date by which a people can become a people?

Roudy is simply contradicting the claims of the Palestinians and their supporters, that's all. Kind of like a rebuttal

 

[Moonglow]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

 

[Lipush]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

What have we done so far without you? lol yeah, maybe wish and try to do that, but its not so easy.

Its the f*ing MidEast.

 

[toastman]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

The Muslims want the Middle East to be 100% ....MUSLIM

 

[HistoryBefore67]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

That's a great idea. Let's do th-- wait-- what?

INCOMING ROCKET FROM GAZA! TAKE COVER!

 

[MHunterB]

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

Good question, Coyote. If the people now calling themselves 'the Palestinians' had no national consciousness in '48 then their national aspirations couldn't have been 'thwarted' by anyone then - because such aspirations couldn't have existed.

So far as I have been able to understand, before '67 the entire basis of 'Palestinian' objection to the dividion of the Mandate had nothing to do with Zionism or any other philosophy: it was strictly that they wanted ALL of the Mandate. Since '67 they've had the excuse of 'atrocities' by Israel - the problem I have with that complaint (although there WERE and ARE abuses by Israelis and possibly even 'official policies' of Israel which are abusive!), is that many other groups have done all that Israel is alleged to have done, in actual fact, well-documented - and yet the 'Palestinians' ONLY complaints are against Israel.....

 

[High_Gravity]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

Its easy to say that when you don't live there.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

The Muslims want the Middle East to be 100% ....MUSLIM

Exactly, but people who have never been there and experienced the region wouldn't understand that.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

It makes a big difference. If the people claiming to be "Palestinians" simply called themselves Arabs, nobody would regard them as a minority or a discreet people seeking their own nation. That is why the fiction of the "Palestinian" was created - to transform a segement of the massive Arab population and transform them into a small, weak, minorit group that needs its own country.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Why don't you people stop fighting and learn to live with each other?

The Muslims want the Middle East to be 100% ....MUSLIM

Exactly, but people who have never been there and experienced the region wouldn't understand that.

It is all over the internet that the Muslims want the Middle East to be 100% Muslim.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

It makes a big difference. If the people claiming to be "Palestinians" simply called themselves Arabs, nobody would regard them as a minority or a discreet people seeking their own nation. That is why the fiction of the "Palestinian" was created - to transform a segement of the massive Arab population and transform them into a small, weak, minorit group that needs its own country.

Right. And it was only after 1967 that they wanted their own country. They didn't call for it when Jordan occupied the land for 19 years.

 

[MHunterB]

I think that this article - written by the father of the martyr Daniel Pearl - will be helpful in understanding the POV Roudy and others are seeking to articulate.

Zionism, Israel and Palestine - The Postage Stamp Question

 

[Coyote]

The Palestinians exist here and now - what difference does it make how they came to be or how recent?

It makes a big difference. If the people claiming to be "Palestinians" simply called themselves Arabs, nobody would regard them as a minority or a discreet people seeking their own nation. That is why the fiction of the "Palestinian" was created - to transform a segement of the massive Arab population and transform them into a small, weak, minorit group that needs its own country.

Right. And it was only after 1967 that they wanted their own country. They didn't call for it when Jordan occupied the land for 19 years.

What ever you choose to call them - they've inhabited that area as long as the Jews, and they deserve a country - it doesn't really matter when they become a people, they are now and they deserve the same recognition as the Israeli's.

 

[HistoryBefore67]

It makes a big difference. If the people claiming to be "Palestinians" simply called themselves Arabs, nobody would regard them as a minority or a discreet people seeking their own nation. That is why the fiction of the "Palestinian" was created - to transform a segement of the massive Arab population and transform them into a small, weak, minorit group that needs its own country.

Right. And it was only after 1967 that they wanted their own country. They didn't call for it when Jordan occupied the land for 19 years.

What ever you choose to call them - they've inhabited that area as long as the Jews, and they deserve a country - it doesn't really matter when they become a people, they are now and they deserve the same recognition as the Israeli's.

This again?

The Jewish people lived in Israel before there were Muslims.

The Jewish people lived in Israel before there were Arabs.

Therefore, the Muslim Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" have NOT lived there as long as the Jews.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

It makes a big difference. If the people claiming to be "Palestinians" simply called themselves Arabs, nobody would regard them as a minority or a discreet people seeking their own nation. That is why the fiction of the "Palestinian" was created - to transform a segement of the massive Arab population and transform them into a small, weak, minorit group that needs its own country.

Right. And it was only after 1967 that they wanted their own country. They didn't call for it when Jordan occupied the land for 19 years.

What ever you choose to call them - they've inhabited that area as long as the Jews, and they deserve a country - it doesn't really matter when they become a people, they are now and they deserve the same recognition as the Israeli's.

If my statement told you anything you would realize by it that they were happy being under Jordanian rule but only when the Israeli's re-captured the land that was illegally taken by Jordan did they start to consider themselves "Palestinians" and want a State of their own. In other words the phrase from the "River to the Sea was coined."