The fascists are at it again

[P@triot]

The same undeserved self-esteem can be seen in the man who provided a cozy home for communism in America.....

"George Kennan’s view of Roosevelt’s performance during the war is considerably harsher than Harriman’s? After commenting bitterly on the “inexcusable body of ignorance about the Russian Communist movement, about the history of its diplomacy, about what had happened in the purges, and about what had been going on in Poland and the Baltic States,” Kennan turns more directly to FDR alone:

Sweety, Stalin rid the world of Hitler. We should still be grateful to him.

Dumb ass...Jospeh Stalin was responsible for the brutal murder of over 50 million people. Adolf Hitler barely hit 7 million.

Do you ever listen to yourself?

 

[EGR one]

It's bad enough the right wing conservatives, alt-right, and white supremacists are tools of 'dark money' but come on fools at least learn what terms mean. Fascism is of the right, even an old hero to the far right acknowledged that, Adolph hated liberals and communists same as you suckers. Hate gives meaning to the uneducated. At least take the time to learn what words mean, then when you say stupid nonsense it will at least have some semblance of education attached.

The Anatomy of Fascism

How cult leaders brainwash followers for total control | Aeon Essays

One Antifa Leader Has Stepped Up to Explain the Shadowy Group’s Violent Tactics to the World

"The differences between Communism and Fascism are far from semantic - indeed, those differences are quite real and represent one of the most dramatic struggles of the twentieth century. Far from being at its base similar, Fascism (and its related "isms," chiefly National Socialism) is best understood as a reactionary opposition against Communism. Fascism came into being as a movement bent on destroying the Communists and Socialists, making the locus of collective struggle the nation and/or race rather than socioeconomic class."

https://www.quora.com/Are-the-differences-between-communism-and-fascism-mostly-semantic

 

[PoliticalChic]

The same undeserved self-esteem can be seen in the man who provided a cozy home for communism in America.....

"George Kennan’s view of Roosevelt’s performance during the war is considerably harsher than Harriman’s? After commenting bitterly on the “inexcusable body of ignorance about the Russian Communist movement, about the history of its diplomacy, about what had happened in the purges, and about what had been going on in Poland and the Baltic States,” Kennan turns more directly to FDR alone:

Sweety, Stalin rid the world of Hitler. We should still be grateful to him.

Dumb ass...Jospeh Stalin was responsible for the brutal murder of over 50 million people. Adolf Hitler barely hit 7 million.

Do you ever listen to yourself?

They have been trained,....programmed .....to embrace every form of totalitarianism....including Liberalism.

 

[P@triot]

The immature idealism of progressivism mixed with the arrogance of progressivism is absolutely mind-numbing. And it explains the catastrophic failure of their foreign policy.

As opposed to right wing foreign policy that's such a smashing success. Just look at Iraq!

Exactly! Look at Iraq! A vicious dictator deposed. A nation liberated. A new democracy in the Middle East.

Iraq would have been over 8 years ago had it not been for the failed foreign policy of Barack Insane Obama. His appeasement strategy gave rise to ISIS and surrendered all territory secured by the U.S. Thank God the American people put the adults back in charge again.

 

[EGR one]

A fascist is a follower of a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government and no tolerance for opposing opinions. Fascist traces to the Italian word fascio, meaning group. Fascists place emphasis on the group, or the nation, even at the expense of individual rights.

Antifas members are fascists as evidenced by their methods and actions.

 

[JoeB131]

We are 17 years into Afghanistan. By your “logic”, there should have been no response to 9/11. Oops...

Well, except there's no good reason for us to STILL be there, either.

Al Quaeda was driven out of the place years ago. Is Al Qaeda even still a thing? Yet here we are, 17 years later, still trying to prop up a corrupt government that would fall in a week if we left.

Then he wasn’t a “threat” to Iran either. You can’t have it both ways. Either he was a force to be reckoned with who kept the entire Middle East in line or he was an impotent, non-issue who did nothing to stand in the way of Iran.

Right, because there can't CLEARLY be a setting between those two extremes.

Here's a simple way even your limited mind can understand it, junior.

Did Saddam have the ability to strike at the United States?

Absolutely not.

Did he have the ability to keep Iran from taking over Iraq?

Yup. He did.

Until Bush fucked it up and removed him and now Iran has taken over Iraq.

Good show,everyone.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly! Look at Iraq! A vicious dictator deposed. A nation liberated. A new democracy in the Middle East.

Except...

It's not a democracy.
It barely has a functioning government.
It's a base for all sorts of other nastiness to occur
And it allows Iran to reach into places they couldn't get to before.

Iraq would have been over 8 years ago had it not been for the failed foreign policy of Barack Insane Obama. His appeasement strategy gave rise to ISIS and surrendered all territory secured by the U.S. Thank God the American people put the adults back in charge again.

Uh, no.

What caused ISIS is that we paid the Sunnis a lot of money to play nice while we withdrew, and that mostly happened on Bush's watch. Then Maliki, the guy Bush left in charge, stopped paying money to the Sunnis and removed them from his government. THAT'S what gave rise to ISIS.

Obama just refused to have us continue with Bush's mistake.

And it was a mistake.

 

[P@triot]

We are 17 years into Afghanistan. By your “logic”, there should have been no response to 9/11. Oops...

Well, except there's no good reason for us to STILL be there, either.

Well that is true. There is no good reason for us to still be there 17 years later and we wouldn’t be if not for 8 years of the failed Barack Insane Obama Administration.

 

[P@triot]

Is Al Qaeda even still a thing?

Yes. But sadly, thanks to Barack Insane Obama and the Dumbocrat, they aren’t even our biggest threat now. Now it is ISIS. The group that the Dumbocrats gave rise to and even armed. A group so dangerous, even Al Qaeda won’t work with them.

 

[JoeB131]

While I, and most others, recognize you to be a congenital dunce, I cannot help but attempt to educate you....as useless as that endeavor may be.

When you learn something, Mail Order Bride From Hell, you can try to educate me.

Repeating whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio like it's an original idea, that's not really helping.

In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy.

He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.

Awww, it's so cute. You really think we had the power to stop Stalin from doing whatever the hell he wanted to Hitler and his allies in Eastern Europe when the war was over, or that most Americans really cared what happened to Bulgaria or Slovakia.

They didn't.

Here's the underlying truth. the USSR had a lot more to do with winning WWII than the US or British Empire did. and like any war, to the victor goes the spoils. What they took in Eastern Europe they paid for in blood, and since MOST of those countries threw in with Hitler during the war, it's not like anyone should have that much sympathy for them.

 

[P@triot]

Did Saddam have the ability to strike at the United States? Absolutely not. Did he have the ability to keep Iran from taking over Iraq? Yup. He did.

Iran hasn’t “taken over Iraq” even though Saddam Hussein has been out of power for 15 years now. Clearly Saddam wasn’t what was standing in their way.

Also, you’re moving the goalposts now that your absurdity has been exposed. You didn’t say that Saddam was preventing Iran from taking over Iraq. You said Saddam was keeping Iran “in check” in the entire region. That would take a superior military force (complete with the arsenal necessary).

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. But sadly, thanks to Barack Insane Obama and the Dumbocrat, they aren’t even our biggest threat now. Now it is ISIS. The group that the Dumbocrats gave rise to and even armed. A group so dangerous, even Al Qaeda won’t work with them.

Um, yeah, ISIS wandering around in the desert and occassionally inspiring an emo teen to do something stupid.

I'm shaking in my boots.

Here's a grown-up thing i'm going to explain to you, Poodle.

As far as the Middle East, it really doesn't matter who is in the White House. As long as the Zionists and Oil Companies are dictating policy over there, we are going to keep sending our fine young men over there to die.

Obama's only virtue is that he was less keen to send other people's sons to die than Bush was.

Which is why I have a great plan for peace in our time.

We have a universal draft for all young people between the ages of 18 and 22, and the children of the rich and the politicians will be selected for an elite airborne unit that will be the first deployed whenever someone 'hates our freedom' or some such shit.

Betcha we won't be so keen to go to war after that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

While I, and most others, recognize you to be a congenital dunce, I cannot help but attempt to educate you....as useless as that endeavor may be.

When you learn something, Mail Order Bride From Hell, you can try to educate me.

Repeating whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio like it's an original idea, that's not really helping.

In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy.

He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.

Awww, it's so cute. You really think we had the power to stop Stalin from doing whatever the hell he wanted to Hitler and his allies in Eastern Europe when the war was over, or that most Americans really cared what happened to Bulgaria or Slovakia.

They didn't.

Here's the underlying truth. the USSR had a lot more to do with winning WWII than the US or British Empire did. and like any war, to the victor goes the spoils. What they took in Eastern Europe they paid for in blood, and since MOST of those countries threw in with Hitler during the war, it's not like anyone should have that much sympathy for them.

Anyone who reads our posts recognizes which of us is always correct, and the other is you.

Your use of vulgarity indicates that I've hit a nerve.

Excellent.



Note that I documented exactly what I posted, with direct quotes, and sources.

You, on the other hand, are our best source of greenhouse gases.


True?

 

[P@triot]

Repeating whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio like it's an original idea, that's not really helping.

This is the problem with JoeB. He thinks we are all here to make shit up like he does. That’s his idea of “an original idea” (which is true to some degree I suppose).

However, I’d much rather share the facts (what he refers to as “hate”) than post original fantasy like Joey.

 

[JoeB131]

Iran hasn’t “taken over Iraq” even though Saddam Hussein has been out of power for 15 years now. Clearly Saddam wasn’t what was standing in their way.

Try to keep up, buddy.

Iran Dominates in Iraq After U.S. ‘Handed the Country Over’

Across the country, Iranian-sponsored militias are hard at work establishing a corridor to move men and guns to proxy forces in Syria and Lebanon. And in the halls of power in Baghdad, even the most senior Iraqi cabinet officials have been blessed, or bounced out, by Iran’s leadership.

When the United States invaded Iraq 14 years ago to topple Saddam Hussein, it saw Iraq as a potential cornerstone of a democratic and Western-facing Middle East, and vast amounts of blood and treasure — about 4,500 American lives lost, more than $1 trillion spent — were poured into the cause.

From Day 1, Iran saw something else: a chance to make a client state of Iraq, a former enemy against which it fought a war in the 1980s so brutal, with chemical weapons and trench warfare, that historians look to World War I for analogies. If it succeeded, Iraq would never again pose a threat, and it could serve as a jumping-off point to spread Iranian influence around the region.

In that contest, Iran won, and the United States lost.

Also, you’re moving the goalposts now that your absurdity has been exposed. You didn’t say that Saddam was preventing Iran from taking over Iraq. You said Saddam was keeping Iran “in check” in the entire region. That would take a superior military force (complete with the arsenal necessary).

Well, um, yeah, they can't get through Iraq, they are pretty much contained by their other neighbors. Now they are in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, control half of Yemen.

Turkey is looking to have better relationships with Iran and so is Russia.

Iran won the Iraq War without firing a shot.

 

[JoeB131]

This is the problem with JoeB. He thinks we are all here to make shit up like he does. That’s his idea of “an original idea” (which is true to some degree I suppose).

However, I’d much rather share the facts (what he refers to as “hate”) than post original fantasy like Joey.

Yeah, sorry, guy, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

When you've grown up and lived a little, maybe you'll learn.

 

[P@triot]

Um, yeah, ISIS wandering around in the desert and occassionally inspiring an emo teen to do something stupid.

I'm shaking in my boots.

Uh...Al Qaeda wondered the desert inspiring “emo teens” during the Clinton Administration (another example of Dumbocrats failing) and it culminated in 9/11.

As an anti-American shitbag, we all realize that is what you want. Attacks on U.S. soil in hopes of bringing down the U.S. However, for real Americans, we would prefer not to see that happen again.

 

[JoeB131]

Dumb ass...Jospeh Stalin was responsible for the brutal murder of over 50 million people. Adolf Hitler barely hit 7 million.

That's a bullshit number. the USSR's population figures. Please note, the population of the USSR grew from 1920 to 1941, dropped because of all the fatalities in WWII, and then started rising again after the war.

Date Population

1920 (Russian SFSR): 137,727,000*
1926 148,656,000[3]
1937 162,500,000[3]
1939 168,524,000[3]
1941 196,716,000[3]
1946 170,548,000[3]
1951 182,321,000[3]
1959 209,035,000[3]
1970 241,720,000[4]
1977 257,700,000
1982 270,000,000
1985 277,700,000
1990 290,938,469
1991 293,047,571

Now did living in Stalin's USSR kind of suck? Um. Yeah.

But Russians today STILL consider him a national hero.

Imagine that.

 

[P@triot]

Which is why I have a great plan for peace in our time.

Yeah...Obama had that same appeasement strategy. It culminated with our allies being overthrown, the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt, and the rise of ISIS.

There is a reason you are a minimum wage tool on the south side of Chicago, junior. Nobody is interested in your “foreign policy”. You need to understand your lane (the slow lane) and stay in it. Stop pitching ideas for stuff you can’t even begin to comprehend.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh...Al Qaeda wondered the desert inspiring “emo teens” during the Clinton Administration (another example of Dumbocrats failing) and it culminated in 9/11.

As an anti-American shitbag, we all realize that is what you want. Attacks on U.S. soil in hopes of bringing down the U.S. However, for real Americans, we would prefer not to see that happen again.

Except there's absolutely nothing that Al Qaeda or ISIS can do to bring down the US.

They are not an existential threat like the USSR or Nazi Germany were, and you can't pretend that they are.

Our own stupid policies create these Emo Teens, and that really doesn't change from party to party.