The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda: A New Millenium of Free Speech

[Newby]

Legislature passes 'everything but marriage' bill | KOMO News - Seattle, Washington | Local & Regional
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Opponents said the measure will have a detrimental effect on traditional marriage.

"We cannot elevate the legal standing of domestic partnerships to equate with marriage and not have profound impact on the status of marriage in this state," said Rep. Jay Rodne, R-Snoqualmie.

Yeah, one person's opinion equals everyone's opinion. Did you see the count? It was 2/3 in favor, so what planet are you living on?

 

[KittenKoder]

My type? You don't pay very good attention around here do you?

Could you provide a link to the legistlation that was 'shot down' please?

Oh, the bill passed, but only after being assaulted by the religious freaks who think it's their business.

Ah, now the truth comes out. Nice try tho.

Haven't had my TV on for almost two weeks now, last report on it I saw was how the christian groups were attacking the bill, same ones that said "just don't call it marriage" ...

... and I don't troll the net for "gay news" ... so meh. I was a little out of touch on the topic, but that passes quickly for me.

 

[KittenKoder]

Legislature passes 'everything but marriage' bill | KOMO News - Seattle, Washington | Local & Regional
Quote:
Opponents said the measure will have a detrimental effect on traditional marriage.

"We cannot elevate the legal standing of domestic partnerships to equate with marriage and not have profound impact on the status of marriage in this state," said Rep. Jay Rodne, R-Snoqualmie.

Yeah, one person's opinion equals everyone's opinion. Did you see the count? It was 2/3 in favor, so what planet are you living on?

2/3 is not one person, it is a fraction of a larger number. Also, the people who actually voted on it represent more than just themselves ... or did you miss your course on US government?

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

I've read many things about the acceptance of civil unions. The problem is that is not what the gay community wants.

You're right! the gay community just doesnt want the rights, they want to be percieved as having equal status as heterosexual married couples... [SARCASM] Oh my, what an affront against justice and equality! [/SARCASM]

Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to join the institution that is marriage? Why should they be merely labeled civil unions?

 

[Newby]

I've read many things about the acceptance of civil unions. The problem is that is not what the gay community wants.

You're right! the gay community just doesnt want the rights, they want to be percieved as having equal status as heterosexual married couples... [SARCASM] Oh my, what an affront against justice and equality! [/SARCASM]

Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to join the institution that is marriage? Why should they be merely labeled civil unions?

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

 

[KittenKoder]

I've read many things about the acceptance of civil unions. The problem is that is not what the gay community wants.

You're right! the gay community just doesnt want the rights, they want to be percieved as having equal status as heterosexual married couples... [SARCASM] Oh my, what an affront against justice and equality! [/SARCASM]

Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to join the institution that is marriage? Why should they be merely labeled civil unions?

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Then get the word "marriage" out of the law ... two way street and all.

 

[Newby]

Legislature passes 'everything but marriage' bill | KOMO News - Seattle, Washington | Local & Regional
Quote:
Opponents said the measure will have a detrimental effect on traditional marriage.

"We cannot elevate the legal standing of domestic partnerships to equate with marriage and not have profound impact on the status of marriage in this state," said Rep. Jay Rodne, R-Snoqualmie.

Yeah, one person's opinion equals everyone's opinion. Did you see the count? It was 2/3 in favor, so what planet are you living on?

2/3 is not one person, it is a fraction of a larger number. Also, the people who actually voted on it represent more than just themselves ... or did you miss your course on US government?

2/3 is not one person? What the hell are you talking about? Sometimes I wonder what it is that you're smoking or drinking.

It passed in the State Senate by a margin of 62 - 35, that's nearly a 2/3 vote in favor, so according to your own words, at least 2/3 of constituents were in favor of the bill. And last I knew, just b/c a representative voted a certain way doesn't necessarily mean that they're voting their constituents wishes. Are you seriously trying to make the case that the 35 that voted against it represented 100% of their constituent's wishes? I don't think so. The point being that it passed, so your point has been 'shot down'.

 

[Newby]

You're right! the gay community just doesnt want the rights, they want to be percieved as having equal status as heterosexual married couples... [SARCASM] Oh my, what an affront against justice and equality! [/SARCASM]

Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to join the institution that is marriage? Why should they be merely labeled civil unions?

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Then get the word "marriage" out of the law ... two way street and all.

Fine with me. It still retains it's original premise and meaning.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Its a civil rights and equality under the law in the same sense that public black school and public white schools are now deemed to be unconstitutional.

 

[Newby]

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Its a civil rights and equality under the law in the same sense that public black school and public white schools are now deemed to be unconstitutional.

I think to compare the 'homosexual cause' to race discrimination is a crime itself, they are no where near the same thing.

 

[KittenKoder]

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Its a civil rights and equality under the law in the same sense that public black school and public white schools are now deemed to be unconstitutional.

I think to compare the 'homosexual cause' to race discrimination is a crime itself, they are no where near the same thing.

Actually, it's about even.

1. They are harmless to "others".

2. They are differences to another group.

3. They are distinctive and have their own culture.

4. They may be genetic, though both may not be genetic.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Then quit pretending it's only about 'civil rights' and 'equality under the law'.

Its a civil rights and equality under the law in the same sense that public black school and public white schools are now deemed to be unconstitutional.

I think to compare the 'homosexual cause' to race discrimination is a crime itself, they are no where near the same thing.

Same thing, no. Similar in idea, yes.

 

[sidneyworld]

The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda is better highlighted in this scenario regarding a San Diego Court Decision which awarded firefighters for being coerced into attending the Gay Parade. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks as activitist and in this case depraved individuals.

Firefighters forced into 'gay' parade win case
Jury finds San Diego subjected 4 to 'simulated sex acts' in 2007 event

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Posted: February 18, 2009
8:04 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily Editor's Note: WARNING - Some content in this article is graphic.

Firefighters John Ghiotto, Chad Allison, Jason Hewitt and Alexander Kane
Four San Diego firefighters who were ordered by their department to appear in the city's 2007 homosexual "Pride Parade" have been awarded $5,000 each for emotional damages from the event, where they were forced to witness "simulated sex acts."
"Government employees should never be forced to participate in events or acts that violate their sincerely held beliefs," said Charles LiMandri, the West Coast regional director for the Thomas More Law Center. He's also affiliated with the Alliance Defense Fund.
"We are pleased with the jury's verdict recognizing the firefighters' right to abstain from activities that they consider morally offensive and that subject them to harassment," LiMandri said.
The jury verdict yesterday came in the case brought by Capt. John Ghiotto and firefighters Jason Hewitt, Alex Kane and Chad Allison.


Ghiotto was awarded $14,200, with $5,000 for emotional distress, while others were awarded $5,000 apiece, according to KGTV-TV in San Diego.
LiMandri said the main goal was that firefighters, all Christians, no longer will be subjected to such treatment.
The firefighters had been ordered to participate in the July 21, 2007, promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex.
WND reported earlier when attorney LiMandri made clear the liability held by the city of San Diego.
"These men were sexually harassed in clear violation of San Diego's sexual harassment code," LiMandri said. "Further, the California Constitution's freedom of speech provision prohibits compelled speech. What the firefighters were ordered to do was endorse what goes on at this parade through their participation in it."
The case detailed how the firefighters were sexually harassed through lewd cat calls and obscene gestures at the event, which was replete with sexual displays and graphic images.
The men then suffered harassment and retaliation after complaining to superiors, the complaint said.
"Many people may mistakenly think the 'gay pride' parade is merely a 'fun' event," said ADF Senior Counsel Joe Infranco, who is co-counsel in the case. "They never would have imagined the crude sexual harassment these firefighters were forced to endure. But in truth, the goal of homosexual behavior advocates is to undermine society's long-held values. They continue to seek this, whether by demanding participation in 'gay pride' parades or by trampling the democratic process to redefine marriage."
Following the launch of the lawsuit, the city changed its fire department policy so firefighters no longer will be forced to participate in the promotion.

Participant in 2006 San Diego Pride Festival
LiMandri said the firefighters had expressed concerns before the parade about the sexual harassment prevalent there and said they did not want to appear to be endorsing homosexuality, which violated their own religious beliefs.
Instead of recognizing the concerns, the city "informed my clients that if they did not march, they could face disciplinary action."
It was the second trial. The first, in October, ended when only eight jurors agreed the firefighters had been mistreated. Nine are needed for an affirmative decision. LiMandri said the October trial left disturbing results, including a judge's ruling that the firefighters' freedom of speech was not violated.
"This was the case even though the courts have consistently held that participation in a gay pride parade is a form of constitutionally protected expressive conduct, and the right to speak on a controversial public issue includes the right not to be compelled to speak," he said.

San Diego Fire Chief Tracy Jarman is an open lesbian
Ghiotto reported in a statement, "While moving down the parade route we were subjected to verbal abuse, (show me your hose, you can put out my fire, give me mouth to mouth, flick you fireman) sexual gestures, (showing their penis, blowing kisses, grabbing their crotch, rubbing their nipples, tongue gestures, flipping us off)."
San Diego's fire chief, Tracy Jarman, is an open lesbian who called the parade a "fun event" in which "all employees are encouraged to participate."
Ghiotto had reported, "We were subject to this type of abuse and more throughout the parade route. You could not even look at the crowd without getting some type of sexual gesture. Even the Christian protesters were giving us grief for being a part of this. The experience left me feeling humiliated, embarrassed and offended.
"If any of my crew or I were to hang up pictures at the station of what we saw, we would be disciplined!" the firefighter said.

Firefighters forced into 'gay' parade win case

Now them apples, I LIKE!! Well done!

Anne Marie

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda is better highlighted in this scenario regarding a San Diego Court Decision which awarded firefighters for being coerced into attending the Gay Parade. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks as activitist and in this case depraved individuals.

Yes, if the firefighters were forced to participate then the department that ordered them should be held accountable.

However two can play at this game where we point out incidents.... The Ethical Boundaries of the Anti-Gay Agenda is better highlighted in the scenario regarding the torture and murder of Matthrew Shepard. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks and in this case depraved individuals.

 

[KittenKoder]

The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda is better highlighted in this scenario regarding a San Diego Court Decision which awarded firefighters for being coerced into attending the Gay Parade. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks as activitist and in this case depraved individuals.

Yes, if the firefighters were forced to participate then the department that ordered them should be held accountable.

However two can play at this game where we point out incidents.... The Ethical Boundaries of the Anti-Gay Agenda is better highlighted in the scenario regarding the torture and murder of Matthrew Shepard. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks and in this case depraved individuals.

Tack on the protesting of veteran burials as well, which still happens.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda is better highlighted in this scenario regarding a San Diego Court Decision which awarded firefighters for being coerced into attending the Gay Parade. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks as activitist and in this case depraved individuals.

Yes, if the firefighters were forced to participate then the department that ordered them should be held accountable.

However two can play at this game where we point out incidents.... The Ethical Boundaries of the Anti-Gay Agenda is better highlighted in the scenario regarding the torture and murder of Matthrew Shepard. Nothing better demonstrates the ongoing intimidation and completely disgraceful behavior and attitude from these folks and in this case depraved individuals.

Tack on the protesting of veteran burials as well, which still happens.

I assume you're talking about Fred Phelps and the rest of the "God Hates Fags" assholes. I usually dont mention those assholes in a debate because if the person I am debating with agrees with those fucktards they lose all credit and no argument they make from that point on is valid in my eyes. Kinda the same thing as 9/11 truthers who I also dont argue with because I loathe stupidity.

 

[sidneyworld]

Somebody clearly needs to explain with a reasonable amount of substantial logic why homosexuality is anything beyond a person's sexual preference, whether clinically predisposed or chosen, to afford this private aspect of a person's life massive media and political exposure?

There is no government body, or private group of citizens who are tearing down doors to arrest these folks.

Why did homosexuality in all its explicitity become an outcry for exposure and acceptance? Since when did sexual intercourse among adults become a mainstream topic? Does the government control sex among adults? I mean, it really is that simple.

Anne Marie

 

[KittenKoder]

Somebody clearly needs to explain with a reasonable amount of substantial logic why homosexuality is anything beyond a person's sexual preference, whether clinically predisposed or chosen, to afford this private aspect of a person's life massive media and political exposure?

There is no government body, or private group of citizens who are tearing down doors to arrest these folks.

Why did homosexuality in all its explicitity become an outcry for exposure and acceptance? Since when did sexual intercourse among adults become a mainstream topic? Does the government control sex among adults? I mean, it really is that simple.

Anne Marie

Straight people made everything in life about sex ... so ... yeah, according to straight people sex IS the relationship, thus, homosexuality is a relationship and equates to love. It's more complex than that, but if you want a simple answer, there is it.

Note: I don't mean ALL straight people.

 

[sidneyworld]

Kitty,

Your response is ambiguous. Are you stating that sex in whatever dynamic is sex? I can't disagree with that. That sex is love? Well that depends on the level of promuscuity one exercises, which in excessive cases is certainly lust not love. But my question is why is sexual liberation publically paraded by Homosexuals to make a point of civil credibility? How do their public mainstream occupations/careers/activity relate to their bedroom activity? Unless of course your talking about porn actors and models, how does their sexuality make a point in public maintstream society?

Are they asked their sexual disposition on job interviews? When purchasing items at a store? When buying a house? When donating to an organization? Is a person's sexuality a criteria for any of these things?

Are homosexuals asked what sexual disposition they are when running for a beauty pageant?

........... um YEAH! It just happened and a heterosexual woman running in a beauty pageant was fired for it. IMAGINE THAT. How's that for sexual equality. Maybe she should have done a randition of Victor/Victoria and asked that gay judge for a date in drag. lol

Anne Marie

 

[wvulax]

tell me if I'm being stupid and someone already posted this, but the pageant peaople say she missed 39events in order to speak out against gay marriage at other unsanctioned events. They can fire her for contract violoation which is what they listed as their reasoning.

She is a model being used for marketing. The company didn't like the messages that came across when people saw her. Do you know why athletes and pretty people get advertising gigs? it's because people don't get pissed off when they see them.