The Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act

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A long piece worth reading. I have excerpted a some here.


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Drafted in the fashion that it is, this case is all about one thing — and one thing only unauthorized retention.

Every federal crime is composed of several “elements” that are individually stated for a jury in what are called “Jury Instructions” that are fashioned by the Judge and read to the jury at the conclusion of a trial before they begin deliberations. Prosecution and defense often battle fiercely over the precise language of the final instructions as that language will shape the way that the attorneys argue the evidence to the jury in closing arguments. Cases are quite literally won and lost based upon the final language in jury instructions that explain the elements of each offense.

Fortunately, the jury instructions for a Sec. 793(e) charge are pretty simple:

  1. The defendant had unauthorized possession of a document;
  2. The document related to the national defense; and
  3. The defendant willfully retained the document and failed to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
Here are the key words from those jury instructions:

  • Unauthorized
  • Possession
  • Document
  • National Defense
  • Willful
  • Retained
This is how trial attorneys break down theories of the case into component parts, and then focus on the testimony and exhibits that will be used to prove each of these key components during the trial — or not, from the perspective of the defense.

Paragraph 77 of the Indictment, which starts on page 28 of the 49 page document, is where the REQUIRED allegations begin. Everything from page 1 to 27 is “story telling” by the Special Counsel, included only so it could be reported by the dutiful anti-Trump press. There is a substantial likelihood that significant portions of the allegations on the first 27 pages won’t be heard by a trial jury as they aren’t relevant to the elements of the offense. SCO Smith could have started the indictment on page 1 below the caption with Paragraph 77 and it would have been legally sufficient. Everything he included before Paragraph 77 he did for “effect” — it was included for no purpose other than to drive the narrative that Trump is guilty of doing terrible things, when the only crimes actually ALLEGED in Paragraph 77 involve retaining documents he was not authorized to possess.

Let’s now turn to the language in the indictment and consider why the statutes passed by Congress make a straightforward analysis of where the law takes us almost impossible to decipher.

As we go through this analysis, understand that the confusion revealed is actually a path to exoneration for a former POTUS that probably would not be available to any other individual. It is quite likely that the trite saying “No one is above the law” might not be altogether true in some limited circumstances — like here.

Start with this observation of the charged language — both in the statute as a whole and in the charging language of the indictment — “Whoever having UNAUTHORIZED possession…”

Donald Trump was POTUS until Noon on January 20, 2021, by operation of law that fixes Presidential terms as beginning and ending at that time and on that day following a Presidential Election in November of the previous year.

Now note the following language used by SCO Smith in Paragraph 24 of the Indictment:



“In January 2021” — well, up through Noon on January 20 — as POTUS, Donald Trump had AUTHORIZED possession of every one of those documents, classified or otherwise. This is a tacit — and what will later become an actual admission by SCO Smith that Trump did have authorized possession of some/all the documents at some point in time.

How does the Smith SCO criminalize this “authorized” possession? With a naked little sentence at the end of Paragraph 4 on page 2 that he is going to have to establish to be true by virtue of some magic wand that is waived at precisely Noon on January 20:



Says who? Apparently, Special Counsel Jack Smith.

If a soon to be ex-POTUS is carrying a briefcase containing NDI information away from the White House on January 20 at 11:45 a.m., then enters a vehicle and drives to Andrews Air Force Base for his trip home, is he subject to being pulled from the vehicle, wrestled to the ground and handcuffed by the FBI at 12:05 p.m. when he steps out of the vehicle for “unauthorized possession and retention” of documents containing NDI based merely on the passage of time? The POTUS/Ex-POTUS has done nothing while in the vehicle along the route. He was not a law breaker when he entered the vehicle, but now he’s a potential felon when he steps out of the vehicle?

Yes — this is an exaggeration to the point of absurdity that would never happen. But this is how you test the application of legal principles — do they stand up to scrutiny when they are subjected to argumentum ad absurdum.

This is where the Presidential Records Act enters the picture as a potential source of confusion that will likely be advanced by the Trump legal team to show a lack of “willfulness” with regard to records that Trump retained — even IF his continued possession after January 20 was “unauthorized.”

The definition of “willfulness” in the context of Sec. 793(e) is well established in numerous cases because many inferior executive branch bureaucrats have been prosecuted for having unlawful possession/retention of NDI materials.

“Willfully” means to act with knowledge that one’s conduct is unlawful and with the intent to do something the law forbids, that is to say with the bad purpose to disobey or to disregard the law.

Not every federal crime includes a requirement that the defendant acted “willfully”. This is different from “intent.” All that is meant by “intent” is that your conduct — your physical actions — were deliberate and not the result of some mistake or involuntary movement, i.e., you walked into the building on your own, you weren’t dragged inside by others.

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A long piece worth reading. I have excerpted a some here.


...​
Drafted in the fashion that it is, this case is all about one thing — and one thing only unauthorized retention.​
Every federal crime is composed of several “elements” that are individually stated for a jury in what are called “Jury Instructions” that are fashioned by the Judge and read to the jury at the conclusion of a trial before they begin deliberations. Prosecution and defense often battle fiercely over the precise language of the final instructions as that language will shape the way that the attorneys argue the evidence to the jury in closing arguments. Cases are quite literally won and lost based upon the final language in jury instructions that explain the elements of each offense.​
Fortunately, the jury instructions for a Sec. 793(e) charge are pretty simple:​
  1. The defendant had unauthorized possession of a document;
  2. The document related to the national defense; and
  3. The defendant willfully retained the document and failed to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
Here are the key words from those jury instructions:​
  • Unauthorized
  • Possession
  • Document
  • National Defense
  • Willful
  • Retained
This is how trial attorneys break down theories of the case into component parts, and then focus on the testimony and exhibits that will be used to prove each of these key components during the trial — or not, from the perspective of the defense.​
Paragraph 77 of the Indictment, which starts on page 28 of the 49 page document, is where the REQUIRED allegations begin. Everything from page 1 to 27 is “story telling” by the Special Counsel, included only so it could be reported by the dutiful anti-Trump press. There is a substantial likelihood that significant portions of the allegations on the first 27 pages won’t be heard by a trial jury as they aren’t relevant to the elements of the offense. SCO Smith could have started the indictment on page 1 below the caption with Paragraph 77 and it would have been legally sufficient. Everything he included before Paragraph 77 he did for “effect” — it was included for no purpose other than to drive the narrative that Trump is guilty of doing terrible things, when the only crimes actually ALLEGED in Paragraph 77 involve retaining documents he was not authorized to possess.​
Let’s now turn to the language in the indictment and consider why the statutes passed by Congress make a straightforward analysis of where the law takes us almost impossible to decipher.​
As we go through this analysis, understand that the confusion revealed is actually a path to exoneration for a former POTUS that probably would not be available to any other individual. It is quite likely that the trite saying “No one is above the law” might not be altogether true in some limited circumstances — like here.​
Start with this observation of the charged language — both in the statute as a whole and in the charging language of the indictment — “Whoever having UNAUTHORIZED possession…”​
Donald Trump was POTUS until Noon on January 20, 2021, by operation of law that fixes Presidential terms as beginning and ending at that time and on that day following a Presidential Election in November of the previous year.​
Now note the following language used by SCO Smith in Paragraph 24 of the Indictment:​
“In January 2021” — well, up through Noon on January 20 — as POTUS, Donald Trump had AUTHORIZED possession of every one of those documents, classified or otherwise. This is a tacit — and what will later become an actual admission by SCO Smith that Trump did have authorized possession of some/all the documents at some point in time.​
How does the Smith SCO criminalize this “authorized” possession? With a naked little sentence at the end of Paragraph 4 on page 2 that he is going to have to establish to be true by virtue of some magic wand that is waived at precisely Noon on January 20:​
Says who? Apparently, Special Counsel Jack Smith.​
If a soon to be ex-POTUS is carrying a briefcase containing NDI information away from the White House on January 20 at 11:45 a.m., then enters a vehicle and drives to Andrews Air Force Base for his trip home, is he subject to being pulled from the vehicle, wrestled to the ground and handcuffed by the FBI at 12:05 p.m. when he steps out of the vehicle for “unauthorized possession and retention” of documents containing NDI based merely on the passage of time? The POTUS/Ex-POTUS has done nothing while in the vehicle along the route. He was not a law breaker when he entered the vehicle, but now he’s a potential felon when he steps out of the vehicle?​
Yes — this is an exaggeration to the point of absurdity that would never happen. But this is how you test the application of legal principles — do they stand up to scrutiny when they are subjected to argumentum ad absurdum.
This is where the Presidential Records Act enters the picture as a potential source of confusion that will likely be advanced by the Trump legal team to show a lack of “willfulness” with regard to records that Trump retained — even IF his continued possession after January 20 was “unauthorized.”​
The definition of “willfulness” in the context of Sec. 793(e) is well established in numerous cases because many inferior executive branch bureaucrats have been prosecuted for having unlawful possession/retention of NDI materials.​
Not every federal crime includes a requirement that the defendant acted “willfully”. This is different from “intent.” All that is meant by “intent” is that your conduct — your physical actions — were deliberate and not the result of some mistake or involuntary movement, i.e., you walked into the building on your own, you weren’t dragged inside by others.​
...​


That's the basic point of all of this. There was no intent by Trump to do anything wrong.
The only malicious intent seems to be on the part of the AG Garland, the NARA, and the Special Council.

The fact remains.....that as president, he had a right to those documents.
And it seems that the NARA refused to cooperate with the White House....thus setting up this fake crime.
They already got 15 boxes of documents, came back for even more later, and decided to leave what they knew Trump had at his residence. Telling him to just put an extra lock on the documents.
Then the Biden Adm. who has admitted to wanting to keep Trump from ever running for POTUS again, raided his home looking for the documents they already had access to on more than one occasion.

It's crystal clear they intentionally set this up in an attempt to disqualify Trump.
 
It's all to smear him in the court of public opinion. It gives whoopi and joy something to bitch about...Just like russia collusion...stormy daniels...Trumps tax returns...etc...etc...etc.

And in the end it will be a big fat zero, zilch, nada, nuffinz...BUPKIS!

Hey charlie...Don't try to kick it...LEARN for once in your life!

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That's the basic point of all of this. There was no intent by Trump to do anything wrong.
The only malicious intent seems to be on the part of the AG Garland, the NARA, and the Special Council.

The fact remains.....that as president, he had a right to those documents.
And it seems that the NARA refused to cooperate with the White House....thus setting up this fake crime.
They already got 15 boxes of documents, came back for even more later, and decided to leave what they knew Trump had at his residence. Telling him to just put an extra lock on the documents.
Then the Biden Adm. who has admitted to wanting to keep Trump from ever running for POTUS again, raided his home looking for the documents they already had access to on more than one occasion.

It's crystal clear they intentionally set this up in an attempt to disqualify Trump.

 
That's the basic point of all of this. There was no intent by Trump to do anything wrong.
The only malicious intent seems to be on the part of the AG Garland, the NARA, and the Special Council.

The fact remains.....that as president, he had a right to those documents.
And it seems that the NARA refused to cooperate with the White House....thus setting up this fake crime.
They already got 15 boxes of documents, came back for even more later, and decided to leave what they knew Trump had at his residence. Telling him to just put an extra lock on the documents.
Then the Biden Adm. who has admitted to wanting to keep Trump from ever running for POTUS again, raided his home looking for the documents they already had access to on more than one occasion.

It's crystal clear they intentionally set this up in an attempt to disqualify Trump.
The sad part is, your whole post is nothing more than YOUR opinion. You don't present any facts to back up anything you said.
 
The sad part is, your whole post is nothing more than YOUR opinion. You don't present any facts to back up anything you said.

Sure there is.

First of all, there is essentially no congressional legislation about classified docs at all, and instead there only are executive orders, which implies that president are arbitrary sources of classified doc authority.

Secondly is that the president does not just have the arbitrary authority to create classified docs, but also to give them out and allow whomever they want to be able to access them, regardless of not having any security clearances.

Therefore, the authority to make, possess, and read classified docs are not at all terminated at the end of office.
If it did, then all the people a president gave classified docs to, like allies, ambassadors, labs, generals, etc., would have to then return them with each new president.
And clearly that never happens.

What people seem to forget, is that there is no natural basis for classified doc laws, like there are for all other laws.
All other laws are based on the defense of inherent individual rights.
Classified doc laws are totally arbitrary, where each president has total and complete discretion.
 
A long piece worth reading. I have excerpted a some here.


...​
Drafted in the fashion that it is, this case is all about one thing — and one thing only unauthorized retention.​
Every federal crime is composed of several “elements” that are individually stated for a jury in what are called “Jury Instructions” that are fashioned by the Judge and read to the jury at the conclusion of a trial before they begin deliberations. Prosecution and defense often battle fiercely over the precise language of the final instructions as that language will shape the way that the attorneys argue the evidence to the jury in closing arguments. Cases are quite literally won and lost based upon the final language in jury instructions that explain the elements of each offense.​
Fortunately, the jury instructions for a Sec. 793(e) charge are pretty simple:​
  1. The defendant had unauthorized possession of a document;
  2. The document related to the national defense; and
  3. The defendant willfully retained the document and failed to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
Here are the key words from those jury instructions:​
  • Unauthorized
  • Possession
  • Document
  • National Defense
  • Willful
  • Retained
This is how trial attorneys break down theories of the case into component parts, and then focus on the testimony and exhibits that will be used to prove each of these key components during the trial — or not, from the perspective of the defense.​
Paragraph 77 of the Indictment, which starts on page 28 of the 49 page document, is where the REQUIRED allegations begin. Everything from page 1 to 27 is “story telling” by the Special Counsel, included only so it could be reported by the dutiful anti-Trump press. There is a substantial likelihood that significant portions of the allegations on the first 27 pages won’t be heard by a trial jury as they aren’t relevant to the elements of the offense. SCO Smith could have started the indictment on page 1 below the caption with Paragraph 77 and it would have been legally sufficient. Everything he included before Paragraph 77 he did for “effect” — it was included for no purpose other than to drive the narrative that Trump is guilty of doing terrible things, when the only crimes actually ALLEGED in Paragraph 77 involve retaining documents he was not authorized to possess.​
Let’s now turn to the language in the indictment and consider why the statutes passed by Congress make a straightforward analysis of where the law takes us almost impossible to decipher.​
As we go through this analysis, understand that the confusion revealed is actually a path to exoneration for a former POTUS that probably would not be available to any other individual. It is quite likely that the trite saying “No one is above the law” might not be altogether true in some limited circumstances — like here.​
Start with this observation of the charged language — both in the statute as a whole and in the charging language of the indictment — “Whoever having UNAUTHORIZED possession…”​
Donald Trump was POTUS until Noon on January 20, 2021, by operation of law that fixes Presidential terms as beginning and ending at that time and on that day following a Presidential Election in November of the previous year.​
Now note the following language used by SCO Smith in Paragraph 24 of the Indictment:​
“In January 2021” — well, up through Noon on January 20 — as POTUS, Donald Trump had AUTHORIZED possession of every one of those documents, classified or otherwise. This is a tacit — and what will later become an actual admission by SCO Smith that Trump did have authorized possession of some/all the documents at some point in time.​
How does the Smith SCO criminalize this “authorized” possession? With a naked little sentence at the end of Paragraph 4 on page 2 that he is going to have to establish to be true by virtue of some magic wand that is waived at precisely Noon on January 20:​
Says who? Apparently, Special Counsel Jack Smith.​
If a soon to be ex-POTUS is carrying a briefcase containing NDI information away from the White House on January 20 at 11:45 a.m., then enters a vehicle and drives to Andrews Air Force Base for his trip home, is he subject to being pulled from the vehicle, wrestled to the ground and handcuffed by the FBI at 12:05 p.m. when he steps out of the vehicle for “unauthorized possession and retention” of documents containing NDI based merely on the passage of time? The POTUS/Ex-POTUS has done nothing while in the vehicle along the route. He was not a law breaker when he entered the vehicle, but now he’s a potential felon when he steps out of the vehicle?​
Yes — this is an exaggeration to the point of absurdity that would never happen. But this is how you test the application of legal principles — do they stand up to scrutiny when they are subjected to argumentum ad absurdum.
This is where the Presidential Records Act enters the picture as a potential source of confusion that will likely be advanced by the Trump legal team to show a lack of “willfulness” with regard to records that Trump retained — even IF his continued possession after January 20 was “unauthorized.”​
The definition of “willfulness” in the context of Sec. 793(e) is well established in numerous cases because many inferior executive branch bureaucrats have been prosecuted for having unlawful possession/retention of NDI materials.​
Not every federal crime includes a requirement that the defendant acted “willfully”. This is different from “intent.” All that is meant by “intent” is that your conduct — your physical actions — were deliberate and not the result of some mistake or involuntary movement, i.e., you walked into the building on your own, you weren’t dragged inside by others.​
...​



I am a former Soldier. I was a Sergeant at one point in time. When I signed out at Base Headquarters to leave military life. My authority as a Sergeant ended.

Up until that moment I could issue instructions that soldiers were required by law and regulations to obey. Up until that moment I had authority and responsibility.

As part of that responsibility I was in charge of personnel and equipment. Files on my soldiers. Their training records and qualifications. I was responsible for writing evaluations and reprimands on those soldiers. I was required by regulations to maintain those files. I had to be able to produce the training records during inspections or upon command by superiors.

If I had kept even one of those files it would have been illegal.

Trump was authorized until noon. The article gets that right. However conspiracy is when you plan or take actions you know are illegal.

In this case. Trump knew his access would end at noon. His authorized access ended. But he caused files to be hidden and moved out of the White House.

The basis of the argument in your linked article is this. Once you have had access. You always have access. That just isn’t the case. Ever.

When Cops retire. At that moment they lose the powers of arrest. They lose the authority that went with the badge. Oh they may get something that says Retired Cop. But that is so they can tell a current cop who has authority what they saw. It doesn’t mean they can walk a baddie into jail like they used to. They can’t pull a drunk over anymore.

But even if we were dumb enough to believe that idiotic argument. That Trump had access and authority when he caused the files to be sent to his Club. He was required to turn them over when issued a Subpoena.

Trump isn’t in trouble because of Biden. Trump is in deep shit because of Trump.
 
Sure there is.

First of all, there is essentially no congressional legislation about classified docs at all, and instead there only are executive orders, which implies that president are arbitrary sources of classified doc authority.

Secondly is that the president does not just have the arbitrary authority to create classified docs, but also to give them out and allow whomever they want to be able to access them, regardless of not having any security clearances.

Therefore, the authority to make, possess, and read classified docs are not at all terminated at the end of office.
If it did, then all the people a president gave classified docs to, like allies, ambassadors, labs, generals, etc., would have to then return them with each new president.
And clearly that never happens.

What people seem to forget, is that there is no natural basis for classified doc laws, like there are for all other laws.
All other laws are based on the defense of inherent individual rights.
Classified doc laws are totally arbitrary, where each president has total and complete discretion.

Most things are written vaguely. Well except instructions which tend to be step by step. Laws are written vaguely. Religious prohibitions are written vaguely. The laws are written vaguely.


As for your idiotic argument. It was tried in the case of Kenneth Wayne Ford. He had stopped working at the NSA in 2004. In 2006 he was found to have a box of documents in his home.


He had access and authorization when he took the documents. He didn’t after his employment ended. And he went to prison.

That’s the problem with the Trump Fanboys. They make arguments without ever checking to make sure their assertions are even remotely accurate.
 

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