The End of the Christian Right

[koshergrl]

"Rising support" does not a majority make, lol.

 

[Katzndogz]

All the things you point out, even the most liberal, is that the divisions in the nation are too vast. The whole must fall. As far as support rising, you don't have time for it to rise enough to become a strong enough majority.

The country is not going to support same sex marriage, gay rights, abortion or any of the other pet social projects of the liberals. In case you haven't noticed, integration has been an abysmal failure and that's been in the works since the 60s. Aside from some superflurous cosmetic changes, the racial divisions are worse now than ever before. The best that can be said is that segregation even though more firmly in place than ever, is more of a tool of blacks than whites.

 

[koshergrl]

I believe you're right on that, Katz.

 

[koshergrl]

And I believe the fascists know it, which is why they're making the big push to redefine reality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All the things you point out, even the most liberal, is that the divisions in the nation are too vast. The whole must fall. As far as support rising, you don't have time for it to rise enough to become a strong enough majority.

The country is not going to support same sex marriage, gay rights, abortion or any of the other pet social projects of the liberals. In case you haven't noticed, integration has been an abysmal failure and that's been in the works since the 60s. Aside from some superflurous cosmetic changes, the racial divisions are worse now than ever before. The best that can be said is that segregation even though more firmly in place than ever, is more of a tool of blacks than whites.

That's your opinion, without any support that you can find, as you try to redefine reality.

You are in a dwindling minority, right along with koshergirl.

 

[koshergrl]

Hey! I just used that phrase, "redefine reality", about you and your fellow progressives. Stop stealing my material, asshole! I'll sic Joe on you with copywright infringement editing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The redefine reality has been used by many, many people on this Board for a long time, so move over.

For instance, you try to redefine "pro-birth" as "pro-life". You are not pro-life. You are pro-choice, because you want to make choices that are not yours to make.

 

[Dragon]

All the things you point out, even the most liberal, is that the divisions in the nation are too vast. The whole must fall.

If it didn't fall in the 1860s, it won't fall now. You are stating what you WANT to be true, not what IS. In fact, the implication here is that you accept what I've been saying, and the OP's point: the religious right has failed. The culture war is, from your point of view, lost. The only possible way now that you can win it is for the country to collapse, and a more theocratic America be rebuilt from the ashes.

That isn't going to happen. But your embracing of it (against all reason and evidence) means you are motivated to believe this. And that is the only reason why you would be.

The country is not going to support same sex marriage, gay rights, abortion

The country already supports all of those.

In case you haven't noticed, integration has been an abysmal failure and that's been in the works since the 60s. Aside from some superflurous cosmetic changes, the racial divisions are worse now than ever before.

Untrue.

Is Tolerance a Non-Issue for Teens?

Not only are these teens far more willing to accept homosexuals as part of mainstream society (see Acceptance of Homosexuality: A Youth Movement), teens appear to be more inclusive of others in all aspects of their lives. Eighty percent (80%)* of all teens say they are offended by racial stereotypes in movies, white teens and black teens agreeing in identical numbers. . . .

When Gallup asked teens about their views on personal relationships between people of differing backgrounds, 73%^ believe that interracial dating is "no big deal." Teens also give high approval ratings for marriages between Hispanics and non-Hispanics (94%) and Asians and non-Asians (93%). And when questioned about marriages between blacks and whites, a majority (91%) approve -- up dramatically from 52% in 1977.

Integration has produced the most non-racist generation of young adults in history. It most definitely is working, and to call it a failure is to embrace nonsense.

 

[koshergrl]

The redefine reality has been used by many, many people on this Board for a long time, so move over.

For instance, you try to redefine "pro-birth" as "pro-life". You are not pro-life. You are pro-choice, because you want to make choices that are not yours to make.

Nobody has the right to kill. That's not a choice, it's murder.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The redefine reality has been used by many, many people on this Board for a long time, so move over.

For instance, you try to redefine "pro-birth" as "pro-life". You are not pro-life. You are pro-choice, because you want to make choices that are not yours to make.

Nobody has the right to kill. That's not a choice, it's murder.

Merely your opinion. Take it up with SCOTUS and your state legislature.

 

[koshergrl]

Thank you, I'll take it up with them, with you, with whomever I please. But it's nice to have *permission*.

 

[del]

"A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice."
More Americans

See? Vast.

your new poll was taken almost three years ago

 

[koshergrl]

Like it matters.

 

[del]

Like it matters.

excellent point- it didn't matter then, either

 

[Katzndogz]

Looking at the issues, and the degree of division and the fact that there is not a single one on which the two parts of the nation can agree, this discussion as become absurd.

 

[JakeStarkey]

katz, your part of the "division" is so small that it does not matter. You are right, this is an absurd discussion.

 

[newpolitics]

The Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves when they see the left's slobbering hatred of Christianity today. As far as political history goes we thought communism was dead back in the 50's but the left managed to resuscitate the failed institution to the point that a socialist president hired a communist to serve on his jobs board. Wishful thinking won't make morality go away.

Why do you say this? Many of the founding fathers were deists, and believed nothing of Christianity.

Why people think we are a "christian nation' boggles me. The very idea goes against everything this country stands for: freedom from tyranny.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are a religious and spiritual nation, always have been. The values on which the country was created, among others, were those of christianity and deism.

The founders were opposed to the co-mingling of state and institutional religion: wisely so.

The institutions need to stay out of each other's business as much as possible.

 

[Katzndogz]

We can't even agree on HISTORY!

 

[Newby]

The Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves when they see the left's slobbering hatred of Christianity today. As far as political history goes we thought communism was dead back in the 50's but the left managed to resuscitate the failed institution to the point that a socialist president hired a communist to serve on his jobs board. Wishful thinking won't make morality go away.

Why do you say this? Many of the founding fathers were deists, and believed nothing of Christianity.

Why people think we are a "christian nation' boggles me. The very idea goes against everything this country stands for: freedom from tyranny.

So, how many of the founding fathers were deists? Do you even know? How many had degrees intheocracy and were in fact acting or prior pastors? If you look up those numbers, you will realize that you are completely incorrect.