The Dems have no one to blame for this, but themselves ... or the progressives among them

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I saw an article headlined "is Manchin the only dem who can read polls." Catchy maybe, but ... snarky and not really to the point. You know what was really unpopular about Obamacare? The mandate. And it was totally unnecessary. Even at the time people pointed out that Medicare has a "soft mandate" that people not only don't object but they don't even notice. If you don't signup for Medicare - and it doesn't cost anything for most of who worked our lives to sign up for Part A hospitalization - it will cost you if you try to sign up later.

And the Obamacare tax was so low, it really didn't pay for those folks who refused to purchase private coverage even with subsidies. It really just came down to the progressives NEEDING to tell people what to do.

This AM, I saw this article.

And it's right. The dems should be polling near 60%.
The poll revealed that when aspects of Biden’s plan are polled separately, they receive massive support. Nearly 88 percent of Americans approve of lowering the price of prescription drugs, which will save lives in a country where Joe Manchin’s daughter helped jack up the price of an Epipen. Seventy-three percent of Americans support paid family and medical leave in the only industrialized country that does not guarantee paid parental leave. Sixty-seven percent want universal preschool and kindergarten, in a nation that’s only seemed to care about children when they’re in the womb.

Only 54 percent of Americans approve of Biden’s plan, but when you just mention Medicare and family leave, that number jumps to 67 percent.

Health care is what helped Democrats take Congress in 2018. Republicans have offered zero plans except killing Obamacare and replacing it with Regeneron, “inshallah,” and death. Why not start with how the plan strengthens Medicare, lowers the price of prescription drugs, and allows for paid parental leave?

The article was written by a liberal (or I'll call him that since he writes for NYT Daily Beast Atlantic Guardian), and I don't hold that against him, personally. But he does seem to say those people (a MAJORITY btw) who don't like the direct transfer payments (send em cash and they'll love us) is the majority's fault for just not understanding. But perhaps it's becuase most Americans want govt to help us have CHOICES we can make to better our own lives, which incidentally is why so many people are trying to become Americans ... regardless of their faith skin tone or orientation.
 
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I've long argued similar. I've said rather than do the behind the back passage of Obamacare the Dem's should have passed a ban on excluding pre-existing conditions and allowing your offspring to stay on your policy until 26. These were both very popular programs. The Democrats should have ran in 2010 on the platform of "this is what we are offering".

Instead they went with Obamacare and were wiped out in 2010.
 
Well, the news is supposed to report it.

And we voters are supposed to read the news.

The infrastructure bill isn't all that exciting so voters are ignoring it.

I'm not sure how you would make it more exciting so that voters would learn about it more.
 
Well, the news is supposed to report it.

And we voters are supposed to read the news.

The infrastructure bill isn't all that exciting so voters are ignoring it.

I'm not sure how you would make it more exciting so that voters would learn about it more.
It's not the media's fault the Plan isn't a bill that's being voted on. I remember I annoyed MarcfromAtl because he posted the Biden Plan was popular, and I responded that when it was broken down into its components, not all were popular. Maybe its OT but the dems may have been playing a game of "too big to fail" lol
 
Because of the high percentage of dupes that want a corrupt, ignorant congress, to control so much of their lives. Its stupid.
But the polling referred to in the OP links showed most do NOT want govt control. I don't think Americans are stupid at all. I never thought Trump voters were irrational in supporting him in 16. I even voted for him in my state gop primary. I'd never vote for him as president though. I didn't think the women who didn't vote for Hill were irrational either.

Now if they voted for Stein, and then said "oh Trump's a horrible person", yeah they were stupid. LOL
 
I saw an article headlined "is Manchin the only dem who can read polls." Catchy maybe, but ... snarky and not really to the point. You know what was really unpopular about Obamacare? The mandate. And it was totally unnecessary. Even at the time people pointed out that Medicare has a "soft mandate" that people not only don't object but they don't even notice. If you don't signup for Medicare - and it doesn't cost anything for most of who worked our lives to sign up for Part A hospitalization - it will cost you if you try to sign up later.

And the Obamacare tax was so low, it really didn't pay for those folks who refused to purchase private coverage even with subsidies. It really just came down to the progressives NEEDING to tell people what to do.

This AM, I saw this article.

And it's right. The dems should be polling near 60%.
The poll revealed that when aspects of Biden’s plan are polled separately, they receive massive support. Nearly 88 percent of Americans approve of lowering the price of prescription drugs, which will save lives in a country where Joe Manchin’s daughter helped jack up the price of an Epipen. Seventy-three percent of Americans support paid family and medical leave in the only industrialized country that does not guarantee paid parental leave. Sixty-seven percent want universal preschool and kindergarten, in a nation that’s only seemed to care about children when they’re in the womb.

Only 54 percent of Americans approve of Biden’s plan, but when you just mention Medicare and family leave, that number jumps to 67 percent.

Health care is what helped Democrats take Congress in 2018. Republicans have offered zero plans except killing Obamacare and replacing it with Regeneron, “inshallah,” and death. Why not start with how the plan strengthens Medicare, lowers the price of prescription drugs, and allows for paid parental leave?

The article was written by a liberal (or I'll call him that since he writes for NYT Daily Beast Atlantic Guardian), and I don't hold that against him, personally. But he does seem to say those people (a MAJORITY btw) who don't like the direct transfer payments (send em cash and they'll love us) is the majority's fault for just not understanding. But perhaps it's becuase most Americans want govt to help us have CHOICES we can make to better our own lives, which incidentally is why so many people are trying to become Americans ... regardless of their faith skin tone or orientation.

What exactly did you want? Ever since obamacare happened my premiums have increased with higher deductibles and co-pays and the insurance hardly ever pays anymore. They just send me a bill.
 
I saw an article headlined "is Manchin the only dem who can read polls." Catchy maybe, but ... snarky and not really to the point. You know what was really unpopular about Obamacare? The mandate. And it was totally unnecessary. Even at the time people pointed out that Medicare has a "soft mandate" that people not only don't object but they don't even notice. If you don't signup for Medicare - and it doesn't cost anything for most of who worked our lives to sign up for Part A hospitalization - it will cost you if you try to sign up later.

And the Obamacare tax was so low, it really didn't pay for those folks who refused to purchase private coverage even with subsidies. It really just came down to the progressives NEEDING to tell people what to do.

This AM, I saw this article.

And it's right. The dems should be polling near 60%.
The poll revealed that when aspects of Biden’s plan are polled separately, they receive massive support. Nearly 88 percent of Americans approve of lowering the price of prescription drugs, which will save lives in a country where Joe Manchin’s daughter helped jack up the price of an Epipen. Seventy-three percent of Americans support paid family and medical leave in the only industrialized country that does not guarantee paid parental leave. Sixty-seven percent want universal preschool and kindergarten, in a nation that’s only seemed to care about children when they’re in the womb.

Only 54 percent of Americans approve of Biden’s plan, but when you just mention Medicare and family leave, that number jumps to 67 percent.

Health care is what helped Democrats take Congress in 2018. Republicans have offered zero plans except killing Obamacare and replacing it with Regeneron, “inshallah,” and death. Why not start with how the plan strengthens Medicare, lowers the price of prescription drugs, and allows for paid parental leave?

The article was written by a liberal (or I'll call him that since he writes for NYT Daily Beast Atlantic Guardian), and I don't hold that against him, personally. But he does seem to say those people (a MAJORITY btw) who don't like the direct transfer payments (send em cash and they'll love us) is the majority's fault for just not understanding. But perhaps it's becuase most Americans want govt to help us have CHOICES we can make to better our own lives, which incidentally is why so many people are trying to become Americans ... regardless of their faith skin tone or orientation.
I read the article yesterday. I found it to be pretty accurate but a bit of a cover for a favored Democrat.

He is, in fact, getting support (and not just by the right) for being a roadblock in a historic power grab and spending spree that will leave this country bankrupt for at least the next century.
 
What exactly did you want? Ever since obamacare happened my premiums have increased with higher deductibles and co-pays and the insurance hardly ever pays anymore. They just send me a bill.

Yes, but Kaiser is reporting record profits. And let's face it. YOU have never slipped a cash filled envelope into Joe Biden's coat pocket, so he has to have priorities...
 
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Well, the news is supposed to report it.

And we voters are supposed to read the news.

The infrastructure bill isn't all that exciting so voters are ignoring it.

I'm not sure how you would make it more exciting so that voters would learn about it more.
Real American citizens don't sit around like bumps on a log wearing facediapers waiting for the latest dose of Dimmer propaganda. We research, dig into a variety of sources that report facts, and learn what is REALLY being done to us by this anti American douchebag in the White House.
 
Real American citizens don't sit around like bumps on a log wearing facediapers waiting for the latest dose of Dimmer propaganda. We research, dig into a variety of sources that report facts, and learn what is REALLY being done to us by this anti American douchebag in the White House.

Actually you get most of your news from facebook, that's as reliable as a Lancia Beta
 
I saw an article headlined "is Manchin the only dem who can read polls." Catchy maybe, but ... snarky and not really to the point. You know what was really unpopular about Obamacare? The mandate. And it was totally unnecessary. Even at the time people pointed out that Medicare has a "soft mandate" that people not only don't object but they don't even notice. If you don't signup for Medicare - and it doesn't cost anything for most of who worked our lives to sign up for Part A hospitalization - it will cost you if you try to sign up later.

And the Obamacare tax was so low, it really didn't pay for those folks who refused to purchase private coverage even with subsidies. It really just came down to the progressives NEEDING to tell people what to do.

This AM, I saw this article.

And it's right. The dems should be polling near 60%.
The poll revealed that when aspects of Biden’s plan are polled separately, they receive massive support. Nearly 88 percent of Americans approve of lowering the price of prescription drugs, which will save lives in a country where Joe Manchin’s daughter helped jack up the price of an Epipen. Seventy-three percent of Americans support paid family and medical leave in the only industrialized country that does not guarantee paid parental leave. Sixty-seven percent want universal preschool and kindergarten, in a nation that’s only seemed to care about children when they’re in the womb.

Only 54 percent of Americans approve of Biden’s plan, but when you just mention Medicare and family leave, that number jumps to 67 percent.

Health care is what helped Democrats take Congress in 2018. Republicans have offered zero plans except killing Obamacare and replacing it with Regeneron, “inshallah,” and death. Why not start with how the plan strengthens Medicare, lowers the price of prescription drugs, and allows for paid parental leave?

The article was written by a liberal (or I'll call him that since he writes for NYT Daily Beast Atlantic Guardian), and I don't hold that against him, personally. But he does seem to say those people (a MAJORITY btw) who don't like the direct transfer payments (send em cash and they'll love us) is the majority's fault for just not understanding. But perhaps it's becuase most Americans want govt to help us have CHOICES we can make to better our own lives, which incidentally is why so many people are trying to become Americans ... regardless of their faith skin tone or orientation.
So what you are saying is that instead of putting in the massive "infrastructure" bill, things like the IRS spying on accounts with a transaction of $600 or more or putting in their investing in electric cars that people don't want or promoting abortion around the world, etc, they should have focused on things people actually want like medical care?

Mhahahaha!

Incidentally, Obamacare was just fabulous, which is why they are busy trying to figure out how to replace it with other things like socialized medicine
 
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