The definitive guide to the 2nd Amendment

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    Armed Americans make us safer.....this is the research that shows how many times a year Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack, and often, mass shooters...

    A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

    The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

    GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

    GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

    Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

    DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

    L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

    Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

    Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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    Bordua...1977...1,414,544

    DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

    Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

    Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

    Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

    DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

    Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

    (Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

    Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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    Ohio...1982...771,043

    Gallup...1991...777,152

    Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

    Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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    If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
     
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    the US suffers 8 times the per capita rate of gun murders as the average for Western Europe. the rate is 4 times as high as Switzerland, the nearest contender. even if America did make "worse parents", it couldn't be that bad.

    this reasoning about bad parenting runs so deep that black parents say parenting is the problem even when they are criticized for being the very parent they themselves believe to be the problem.
     
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    Anyone calling for a gun ban

    Don't kid yourself and think that the only rifle the extremists want banned is the so called assault rifle

    Even morons with thicker skulls than the gun grabbers will eventually realize that the so called assault rifle is no different than any other semiautomatic rifle and the call will go out to ban all semiautomatic weapons including handguns

    Did you ever ask yourself why these extremist control freaks want to ban the single most popular rifle in the country?

    Hint

    It's not because it is used in murders
     
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    It's naive to think that the government will be there to protect you or your family when it is needed

    And the membership of the NRA increases because of people like you who want to restrict the rights of people who have committed no crimes.

    YOU people are the best recruiters the NRA has
    YOU people and the most effective marketers for firearms
     
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    Most homes don't own an AR of any kind. The homes that do own an AR own multiple ARs. You can scream BS all you want to that but you can't change facts. I don't know of a single AR owner in in my entire neighborhood but most have at least one gun be it a handgun, shotgun or hunting rifle. Most only own two of those three. And it's not always a handgun and another type.

    The AR owners I know are a bit on the ultra right wing side of things and almost all sing the same tune of , "They are trying to take all my guns" song and own more than 3 ARs among other types. They are ready for that ARmed Revolution that never comes. Some of us are armed to prevent the gun nutz from bring the Revolution to our door steps. If you aren't worried that your gun nutzoid neighbor might go off one of these days and start the Revolution then you should be. He's been preparing for iit for a very long time.

    But we can't go and force them to get a Shrink Test. Man, Oh Man, would that cause an uproar about their 1st amendment rights. Or we can't allow law enforcement to start watching them closely. They are Right Wingers. Can't have that. When these folks go off the reservation, it's really, really bad and they do it with all their buddies. And they all claim to be protected by the the 2nd amendment. Yet, they scream and holler wanting the checks and balances for the left wingers who own guns.

    Newsflash: The flash points of both sides really aren't left or right wingers at all. They are both just nut jobs. And should be treated as such. Allow your Law Enforcement the tools to do their jobs. But you Rightwinger don't want that to happen. It will not only get rid of some of the Left Winger Nutjobs but it will also get rid of some of the Right Winger Nutcases and you can't have that. So you just make sure you scream the loudest about how dangerous the left is.
     
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    Listen Dingle Berry, blame the stupid fucks who enacted the GUN FREE ZONES ACT including the dumb asses in SCOTUS


    The miserable pieces of shit are always trying to circumvent the Constitution.

    The criminally insane found that killing innocent children at the minimum security prisons was like shooting fish in a barrel.


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    Fighting the imaginary ghost I see. It’s all about what people are going to say, not actually about what they are saying. Not a convincing arguement IMO
     
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    Once again you illustrate that you don't know shit about firearms.

    Do any of those homes have in them a .223 or 5.56 caliber semiautomatic rifle?

    If they do they then have a rifle that is equivalent to an AR 15 in caliber and performance the only appreciable difference is solely cosmetic.

    And don't pretend that the banning of the AR 15 would not lead to the call for banning other semiautomatic rifles
     
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    Do you support banning and making illegal magazines with more than 10 rounds, and quick release buttons for all semiauto guns, long and short?

    If not, why not.
     
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    No I don't

    I do not think they are necessary nor do I think they will stop a piece of shit criminal from killing other people

    The firing time for 3 10 round magazines is not that much slower than the firing time of 2 15 or 1 30 round mags

    And really what does it matter to the guy shooting unarmed people in a hallway or a room?

    How many rounds does the average school shooter actually fire? The wack in Vegas was not the norm here so I won't address that in this post.

    There are ways around the fixed magazines already. One device in particular will reload a magazine through the open breech of the rifle extremely quickly

    The last 100+ years semiautomatic rifles have been available to the public shows that the overwhelming majority of people who own them do not commit crimes with them. Rifles of any type and used in about 2% of all murders.

    I don't see the need to concentrate efforts to reduce gun violence on the bottom 2%.

    If you want to actually put a real and significant dent in gun violence and the body count then concentrate efforts in the areas that are the major contributors to both.

    5% of all the counties in the entire country are where almost 70% of all murder takes place. These are usually dense urban areas with long histories of violence.
     

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