The Cuban Missile Crisis: Kennedy’s “Victory”?

[Doc7505]

The Cuban Missile Crisis: Kennedy’s “Victory”?​

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That Khrushchev swept the floor with Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis was mainstream conservative conclusion throughout much of the Cold War. Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater, for instance, represented opposite poles of the Republican establishment of their time.... Even Democratic luminary Dean Acheson despaired: "This nation lacks leadership," he grumbled about the famous “Ex-Comm meetings” so glorified in the movie Thirteen Days.... "We locked Castro's communism into Latin America and threw away the key to its removal," growled Barry Goldwater about the JFK’s Missile Crisis “solution.”... "Kennedy pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory,” complained Richard Nixon. "Then gave the Soviets squatters rights in our backyard.".. Generals Curtis Le May and Maxwell Taylor represented opposite poles of the military establishment.... JFK's Missile Crisis “solution” also pledged that he immediately pull the rug out from under Cuba's in-house freedom fighters. Raul Castro himself admitted that at the time of the Missile Crisis his troops and their Soviet advisors were up against 179 different "bands of bandits" as he labeled the thousands of Cuban anti-Communist rebels then battling savagely and virtually alone in Cuba's countryside, with small arms shipments from their compatriots in south Florida as their only lifeline...Kennedy's deal with Khrushchev cut this lifeline. This ferocious guerrilla war, waged 90 miles from America's shores, might have taken place on the planet Pluto for all you'll read about it in the mainstream media and all you'll learn about it from Kennedy’s court scribes, who scribbled Kennedy’s Missile-Crisis “victory.” To get an idea of the odds faced by those betrayed Cuban rebels, the desperation of their battle and the damage they wrought, you might revisit Tony Montana during the last 15 minutes of "Scarface."

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On the Fifty Seventh (57th) anniversary of the "Bay of Pigs" debacle, imagine Obama's term with no Fox News, internet, social media or talk radio. Imagine press conferences where the reverence and adulation for Sarah Huckabee Sanders surpasses anything Hillary Clinton gets as a guest on The View. That’s about what JFK and his press secretary Pierre Salinger enjoyed. Tragically, the "Camelot Fairy tales" of Kennedy’s court scribes (with their adoring media cohorts of the time) concocted about JFK’s Pattonesque handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis (56 years ago this week) prevail in media/academic circles even today.
Who remembers "Alpha 66" and who of the Progressive Left wants to recognize that JFK's legacy began with the "Bay of Pigs" debacle and his surrender to Nakita Khrushchev during the following "Cuban Crisis".
While studying US foreign policy in college this was hailed as a great victory for the US. As I've read more on the subject the article is spot on. It was a complete loss for us. We have complete nuclear and conventional superiority over the Russians and Cubans. JFK withdrew some missiles from Turkey and Italy in exchange for the Russians pulling theirs from Cuba....with a promise not to invade Cuba. In a complete reversal of the Monroe Doctrine we allowed a foreign power a base of operations in our backyard. Part of the mess of the 60s in Latin and South American can be attributed to that.
So much for the gallant Knights of Camelot forcing the Russians’ retreat. In fact, the Castro brothers and Che Guevara’s genocidal lust is what prompted the Butcher of Budapest to yank the missiles from their reach.
Considering the U.S. nuclear superiority over the Soviets at the time of the (so-called) Missile Crisis (five thousand nuclear warheads for us, three hundred for them) it's hard to imagine a President Nixon — much less Reagan — quaking in front of Khrushchev's transparent ruse a la Kennedy.
The global propaganda machine has been alive and well for a very, very long time. It is infuriating.
Cuba and Cubans could be free today but for JFK and his brothers RFK and Teddy did not want the US to seem to be invading a small, poor nation. The Bay of Pigs disaster was a pretty big failure of nerve and ego. The U.S. had a whole fleet sitting offshore watching the freedom fighters get butchered and did nothing to help them. Castro knew every detail of that landing. I think someone at State (Progressive Marxist Socialist) leaked the info and our guys were slaughtered

 

[Wry Catcher]

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[LA RAM FAN]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails.LOL

 

[Doc7505]

Source:

The Point

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"The "Camelot Fairy tales" of Kennedy’s court scribes (with their adoring media cohorts of the time) concocted about JFK’s Pattonesque handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis (56 years ago this week) prevail in media/academic circles even today."
You fail to remember that JFK pulled out all support especially air support for the Cuban Freedom fighters attacking Castro's Cuba.
The blame for the failure of the operation falls directly in the lap of the CIA and JFK along with his advisors. The fallout from the invasion caused a rise in tension between the two great superpowers and ironically 57 years after the event, the person that the invasion meant to topple, Fidel Castro and his brother Rauol, is still in power. To understand the origins of the invasion and its ramifications for the future it is first necessary to look at the invasion and its origins.
#4: Kennedy’s Failure at the Bay of Pigs (Top 10 Mistakes by U.S. Presidents) | Britannica Blog

Question: Who were Thomas 'Pete' Ray and Leo Baker and what of their deaths during the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion?

 

[whitehall]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

 

[Geaux4it]

We should have bombed the missile sites. Russia would have blinked

-Geaux

 

[Doc7505]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails. LOL

Hmm..., had Nixon won the election, there would never have been a failure at the Bay of Pigs and it would have been the end of the Castro Brothers, no missile crisis, and no huge cocaine smuggling into America. BTW JFK folded and gave Khrushchev what he wanted. The removal of ICBM's from Italy and Turkey. BTW Khrushchev never gave up in fact built up a large submarine base in Cuba. Those submarines carry ICBM's too.

Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis?
Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis? - The Atlantic
Conventional wisdom has tended to rank the Cuban missile crisis as the Kennedy presidency's highest drama and grandest success. Drama, yes. But this provocative recounting of the administration's policy toward Castro's Cuba suggests that Kennedy brought the crisis on himself.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails. LOL

Hmm..., had Nixon won the election, there would never have been a failure at the Bay of Pigs and it would have been the end of the Castro Brothers, no missile crisis, and no huge cocaine smuggling into America. BTW JFK folded and gave Khrushchev what he wanted. The removal of ICBM's from Italy and Turkey. BTW Khrushchev never gave up in fact built up a large submarine base in Cuba. Those submarines carry ICBM's too.

Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis?
Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis? - The Atlantic
Conventional wisdom has tended to rank the Cuban missile crisis as the Kennedy presidency's highest drama and grandest success. Drama, yes. But this provocative recounting of the administration's policy toward Castro's Cuba suggests that Kennedy brought the crisis on himself.

Thanks, Doc....I hadn't seen that article.

Doubly significant being from the Atlantic.

 

[harmonica]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

...not counting the $$$ spent to organize/etc the invasion--we also paid 50$ million in aid to get some of the invaders freed
...that was a complete fail, embarrassing ''incident''
..very stupid/immature/unrealistic/childish/un-''street wise''/ for the CIA to believe that tiny operation could start a ''revolution''--in reverse

it would not have mattered if the US helped with airpower/etc--the operation would've failed

 

[Doc7505]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

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Please note it was not the CIA that stood down on the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was ordered by JFK. JFK withdrew air support and air cap for logistics support of the invasion. Meanwhile Castro used T-33's (F-80) to shoot down A-26's and repel the invasion force.
The short sightedness of JFK by standing down the support of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK blinked and in the end he lost the battle because Cuba became a refueling base for the Russian Submarine service. It ultimately caused his assassination by the "Deep State" actors of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSAP Democrats .

President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs …
President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs invasion - Letter to Editor | Havana Journal
May 08, 2006 · A U.S. aircraft carrier was on station 30 miles south of the Bay of Pigs; its four escort destroyers were already shelling the beach. We were supposed to support the invasion by air and sea. The invasion force, four deep-draft ships coming from a staging area in Nicaragua, were poorly suited to the shallow Bay of Pigs.

 

[harmonica]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

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Please note it was not the CIA that stood down on the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was ordered by JFK. JFK withdrew air support and air cap for logistics support of the invasion. Meanwhile Castro used T-33's (F-80) to shoot down A-26's and repel the invasion force.
The short sightedness of JFK by standing down the support of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK blinked and in the end he lost the battle because Cuba became a refueling base for the Russian Submarine service. It ultimately caused his assassination by the "Deep State" actors of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSAP Democrats .

President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs …
President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs invasion - Letter to Editor | Havana Journal
May 08, 2006 · A U.S. aircraft carrier was on station 30 miles south of the Bay of Pigs; its four escort destroyers were already shelling the beach. We were supposed to support the invasion by air and sea. The invasion force, four deep-draft ships coming from a staging area in Nicaragua, were poorly suited to the shallow Bay of Pigs.

the Bay of Pigs was a total failure
airpower does not win ground battles

 

[Doc7505]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

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Please note it was not the CIA that stood down on the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was ordered by JFK. JFK withdrew air support and air cap for logistics support of the invasion. Meanwhile Castro used T-33's (F-80) to shoot down A-26's and repel the invasion force.
The short sightedness of JFK by standing down the support of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK blinked and in the end he lost the battle because Cuba became a refueling base for the Russian Submarine service. It ultimately caused his assassination by the "Deep State" actors of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSAP Democrats .



President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs …
President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs invasion - Letter to Editor | Havana Journal
May 08, 2006 · A U.S. aircraft carrier was on station 30 miles south of the Bay of Pigs; its four escort destroyers were already shelling the beach. We were supposed to support the invasion by air and sea. The invasion force, four deep-draft ships coming from a staging area in Nicaragua, were poorly suited to the shallow Bay of Pigs.

the Bay of Pigs was a total failure airpower does not win ground battles

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Castro attributed his victory over the invasion to the use of his Air Force.

The Bay of Pigs Invasion — Central Intelligence Agency

The Bay of Pigs Invasion — Central Intelligence Agency
Apr 18, 2016 · For simplicity, the Bay of Pigs invasion plan can be broken down into three phases: Phase One: Destroy as many of Castro’s combat aircraft as possible so that when the Brigade invaded the beach, Castro’s air force would have no retaliatory capabilities. To do this, pilots of Brigade 2506 planned to bomb three of Castro’s air force bases. The cover story for these bombings was simple. Pilots in the Brigade would pose as pilots in the Fuerza Aerea Revolucionaria (FAR), Castro’s Air Force. Allegedly, they would become disgruntled, take their aircrafts, shoot up their own air force bases, and then fly to the US to defect. This first airstrike was supposed to take place two days prior to the invasion (phase three).
Phase Two: Destroy any remaining combat planes in Castro’s fleet that weren’t taken out during phase one. Pilots in Brigade 2506 planned to drop bombs on Castro’s air force bases in the morning hours prior to the main invasion (phase three) to destroy any remaining combat planes in Castro’s fleet. This would ensure the Brigade members invading the beach would not have to contend with Castro’s aircraft dropping bombs and firing mercilessly on them from above during the actual invasion.
Phase Three: The invasion.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails. LOL

Hmm..., had Nixon won the election, there would never have been a failure at the Bay of Pigs and it would have been the end of the Castro Brothers, no missile crisis, and no huge cocaine smuggling into America. BTW JFK folded and gave Khrushchev what he wanted. The removal of ICBM's from Italy and Turkey. BTW Khrushchev never gave up in fact built up a large submarine base in Cuba. Those submarines carry ICBM's too.

Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis?
Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis? - The Atlantic
Conventional wisdom has tended to rank the Cuban missile crisis as the Kennedy presidency's highest drama and grandest success. Drama, yes. But this provocative recounting of the administration's policy toward Castro's Cuba suggests that Kennedy brought the crisis on himself.

wrong charlie.the bay of pigs invasion plan they presented Eisenhower that Kennedy inherited from him was vastly different from the one they presented to Eisenhower.JFK inherited the bay of pigs invasion from IKE AND you blantantly ignored facts that had Nixon been president he would have bombed russia doing what the military told him as he HIMSELF said he would have done,he would have started world war three cause HE would have done what the militarty told him,.yep you posted a smiley cause you could counter that fact. oh and the CIA is an evil organization that smuggles in drugs all the time so miserable fail on your part there as well

 

[harmonica]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

~~~~~~
Please note it was not the CIA that stood down on the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was ordered by JFK. JFK withdrew air support and air cap for logistics support of the invasion. Meanwhile Castro used T-33's (F-80) to shoot down A-26's and repel the invasion force.
The short sightedness of JFK by standing down the support of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK blinked and in the end he lost the battle because Cuba became a refueling base for the Russian Submarine service. It ultimately caused his assassination by the "Deep State" actors of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSAP Democrats .



President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs …
President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs invasion - Letter to Editor | Havana Journal
May 08, 2006 · A U.S. aircraft carrier was on station 30 miles south of the Bay of Pigs; its four escort destroyers were already shelling the beach. We were supposed to support the invasion by air and sea. The invasion force, four deep-draft ships coming from a staging area in Nicaragua, were poorly suited to the shallow Bay of Pigs.

the Bay of Pigs was a total failure airpower does not win ground battles

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Castro attributed his victory over the invasion to the use of his Air Force.

The Bay of Pigs Invasion — Central Intelligence Agency

The Bay of Pigs Invasion — Central Intelligence Agency
Apr 18, 2016 · For simplicity, the Bay of Pigs invasion plan can be broken down into three phases: Phase One: Destroy as many of Castro’s combat aircraft as possible so that when the Brigade invaded the beach, Castro’s air force would have no retaliatory capabilities. To do this, pilots of Brigade 2506 planned to bomb three of Castro’s air force bases. The cover story for these bombings was simple. Pilots in the Brigade would pose as pilots in the Fuerza Aerea Revolucionaria (FAR), Castro’s Air Force. Allegedly, they would become disgruntled, take their aircrafts, shoot up their own air force bases, and then fly to the US to defect. This first airstrike was supposed to take place two days prior to the invasion (phase three).
Phase Two: Destroy any remaining combat planes in Castro’s fleet that weren’t taken out during phase one. Pilots in Brigade 2506 planned to drop bombs on Castro’s air force bases in the morning hours prior to the main invasion (phase three) to destroy any remaining combat planes in Castro’s fleet. This would ensure the Brigade members invading the beach would not have to contend with Castro’s aircraft dropping bombs and firing mercilessly on them from above during the actual invasion.
Phase Three: The invasion.

...please---EVERY body that knows anything about the military knows air power does not win the battle
..you need boots on the ground
...simple-final

 

[harmonica]

hahahhahaa
you think a tiny invasion force is going to take over a country??!!
even with MASSIVE American air power, it would've been just about impossible!!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You have to consider that JFK used the CIA or the CIA used JFK in the most incredible fukup in U.S. history on April 17, 1961 when the CIA trained and equipped an illegal freaking invasion of Cuba and abandoned it at the Bay of Pigs. God help us if we ever allow a president to appoint his own quirky brother to be Attorney General.

~~~~~~
Please note it was not the CIA that stood down on the Bay of Pigs invasion. It was ordered by JFK. JFK withdrew air support and air cap for logistics support of the invasion. Meanwhile Castro used T-33's (F-80) to shoot down A-26's and repel the invasion force.
The short sightedness of JFK by standing down the support of the invasion of the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK blinked and in the end he lost the battle because Cuba became a refueling base for the Russian Submarine service. It ultimately caused his assassination by the "Deep State" actors of the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSAP Democrats .

President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs …
President Kennedy pulls air support for Bay of Pigs invasion - Letter to Editor | Havana Journal
May 08, 2006 · A U.S. aircraft carrier was on station 30 miles south of the Bay of Pigs; its four escort destroyers were already shelling the beach. We were supposed to support the invasion by air and sea. The invasion force, four deep-draft ships coming from a staging area in Nicaragua, were poorly suited to the shallow Bay of Pigs.

that was BECAUSE the CIA promised him there would be no military involvement charlie.they lied to him and tried to trick him into an all out invasion,do try and keep up around here. again thank god for the bay of pigs cause kennedy after that learned not to listen to the miltary anymore and wisely listened to what his aides told him during the cuban misslie crisis which was critical of avoiding a war with them that NXON would have gotten us into

the plan which was drawn up under eisenhower charle,that kenedy inherited from him,was VASTLY different from the one given to Eisenhower,the CIA thought their buddy Nixon who ran covert operations for them when he was VP under eisenhower,was designed to succeed,that called for air cover,the one that was presented to kennedy did not call for air cover.do try and keep up around here.

 

[whitehall]

JFK brought the U.S. to "Defcon 2" for the first (and hopefully only) time in history because his incompetence and his quirky brother who was more interested in killing Castro than he was doing his job as A.G. God help us if we ever let the media characterize the administration as a freaking British myth and allow the president to pick his incompetent bother and fellow sexual predator as A.G. to cover his pathetic back.

 

[Doc7505]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails. LOL

Hmm..., had Nixon won the election, there would never have been a failure at the Bay of Pigs and it would have been the end of the Castro Brothers, no missile crisis, and no huge cocaine smuggling into America. BTW JFK folded and gave Khrushchev what he wanted. The removal of ICBM's from Italy and Turkey. BTW Khrushchev never gave up in fact built up a large submarine base in Cuba. Those submarines carry ICBM's too.

Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis?
Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis? - The Atlantic
Conventional wisdom has tended to rank the Cuban missile crisis as the Kennedy presidency's highest drama and grandest success. Drama, yes. But this provocative recounting of the administration's policy toward Castro's Cuba suggests that Kennedy brought the crisis on himself.

wrong charlie.the bay of pigs invasion plan they presented Eisenhower that Kennedy inherited from him was vastly different from the one they presented to Eisenhower.JFK inherited the bay of pigs invasion from IKE AND you blantantly ignored facts that had Nixon been president he would have bombed russia doing what the military told him as he HIMSELF said he would have done,he would have started world war three cause HE would have done what the militarty told him,.yep you posted a smiley cause you could counter that fact. oh and the CIA is an evil organization that smuggles in drugs all the time so miserable fail on your part there as well

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Question: Why would Eisenhower the man who planned the greatest invasion this planet has ever seen, the 'Normandy D-Day Invasion' create such a shoddy invasion of Cuba? It appears that the plans for the Cuban invasion were screwed up after the fact when Kennedy became president. As it was, there were destroyers and at least one carrier group 50 miles off shore. Who called off the air cover and close air support?

 

[Dale Smith]

The cuban missile crisis was indeed Kennedys victory. For the fools who think Nixon was such a great president,had he been president back then he would have gotten us into a nuclear war with Russia, Thank god we had the failed bay of pigs invasion because after that,kennedy learned from his mistake to stop listening to what the military told him. The CIA and pentagon lied to him about what their plans were for the invasion knowing full well it would not succeed Kennedy was set up for failure by them. That was why after the invasion he made the statement he would splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the four winds.Major mistake.the CIA caught wind of that statement and made sure that did not happen.

Thank God kennedy was our president back then and not Dick Nixon because like him or hate him,he got us out of the cuban missile crisis and that is BECAUSE he did not listen to his military advisors who wanted him to bomb Cuba. He knew not to trust their advise THIS time. Instead of listening to them,he did the smart thing and listened to his aides instead and took THEIR advise on the crisis at hand.That payed dividends. Had Dick Nixon been president,HE would have done what the military establishment wanted Kennedy to do but would not do,INVADE. As immature as Nixon was back then,you could count on him doing that. By 1972 he might not have since he was more mature but in 1962? forget it. He even said in later years that had he been president back then he would have gone in and bombed them. and he was not kidding either.

some trolls will post a funny no doubt since they cant counter these facts,never fails. LOL

Hmm..., had Nixon won the election, there would never have been a failure at the Bay of Pigs and it would have been the end of the Castro Brothers, no missile crisis, and no huge cocaine smuggling into America. BTW JFK folded and gave Khrushchev what he wanted. The removal of ICBM's from Italy and Turkey. BTW Khrushchev never gave up in fact built up a large submarine base in Cuba. Those submarines carry ICBM's too.

Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis?
Did Kennedy Cause the Crisis? - The Atlantic
Conventional wisdom has tended to rank the Cuban missile crisis as the Kennedy presidency's highest drama and grandest success. Drama, yes. But this provocative recounting of the administration's policy toward Castro's Cuba suggests that Kennedy brought the crisis on himself.

wrong charlie.the bay of pigs invasion plan they presented Eisenhower that Kennedy inherited from him was vastly different from the one they presented to Eisenhower.JFK inherited the bay of pigs invasion from IKE AND you blantantly ignored facts that had Nixon been president he would have bombed russia doing what the military told him as he HIMSELF said he would have done,he would have started world war three cause HE would have done what the militarty told him,.yep you posted a smiley cause you could counter that fact. oh and the CIA is an evil organization that smuggles in drugs all the time so miserable fail on your part there as well

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Question: Why would Eisenhower the man who planned the greatest invasion this planet has ever seen, the 'Normandy D-Day Invasion' create such a shoddy invasion of Cuba? It appears that the plans for the Cuban invasion were screwed up after the fact when Kennedy became president. As it was, there were destroyers and at least one carrier group 50 miles off shore. Who called off the air cover and close air support?

LA RAM FAN has a low tolerance for bullshit and revisionist history. I chalk it up to the fact that he has become jaded after the wasted time he has spent trying to awake the indoctrinated masses....with that being said? LRF is absolutely "dead on". USA.INC and their CIA attack dogs had no problem with Castro until he kicked out the multi-national corporations that had been raping, pillaging and exploiting Cuba and the resources that they coveted. The Dulles brothers thought that they could pull another coup like they did in Guatemala in 1953 when the United Fruit company was denied cheap labor and cheap prices on fruit. Guatemala was the first country that the CIA was complicit in regime change.....Iran soon followed when the Shah was installed after Iran refused to allow big oil in to rip them off. The CIA and the military industrial complex came up with the idea for Operation Northwoods where they would use a false flag event to blame Cuba for and then justify an invasion. Castro really had no other choice but find an ally that had the muscle to keep USA.INC off of their door-step.

The irony in all of this was that Wall Street and the western banking oligarchs funded the Bolshevik revolution and built the USSR into a formidable foe using our sweat equity to move their fiat currency thus giving it "value". JFK had a balancing act to perform. He had to confront the missile sites in Cuba (courtesy of the USSR) while not letting on that the controllers of USA.INC were behind this "Cold War" charade. The CIA and the Operation Mockingbird media tried to claim that JFK was going "soft" on communism and represented a security risk and many of the sheeple ate it up. JFK, in spite of his faults and shortcomings, did the right thing and was working on exposing the deep underbelly of the corruption and power funded by the central bankers that has used our military as a hammer and every third world country was seen as a nail that lacked the ability to fend them off. JFK was the last president that actually took on the establishment....is Trump and the white hats picking up the torch? Only time will tell but I am only going to give Trump another few months to prove that he has.

 

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JFK brought the U.S. to "Defcon 2" for the first (and hopefully only) time in history because his incompetence and his quirky brother who was more interested in killing Castro than he was doing his job as A.G. God help us if we ever let the media characterize the administration as a freaking British myth and allow the president to pick his incompetent bother and fellow sexual predator as A.G. to cover his pathetic back.

would you have preferred DICK Nixon to have been president and gone in there and bombed cuba like the military brass wanted JFK to do but he wisely resisted on which Nixon WOULD have done and gotten us into a nuclear war which means you would not be here right now? oh thats right,you have me on ignore cause you can never counter my facts when i take you to school on your ramblings.