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The concept of worship​


The concept of worship in Islam is misunderstood by many people including some Muslims. Worship is commonly taken to mean performing ritualist acts such as prayers, fasting, charity, etc. this limited understanding of worship is only one part of the meaning of worship in Islam. That is why the traditional definition of worship in Islam is a comprehensive definition that includes almost everything in any individual's activities. The definition goes something like this: "Worship is an inclusive term for all that God loves of external and internal sayings and actions of a person". In other words, worship is everything one says or does for the pleasure of Allah. This, of course, includes rituals as well as beliefs, social activities, and personal contributions to the welfare of one's fellow human-beings.

Islam looks at the individual as a whole. He is required to submit himself completely to Allah, as the Qur'an instructed the prophet Muhammad to do: "Say (O Muhammad) my prayer, my sacrifice, my life and my death belong to Allah; He has no partner and I am ordered to be among those who submit, i.e.; Muslims". The natural result of this submission is that all one's activities should conform to the instructions of the one whom the person is submitting to. Islam being a way of life, requires that its followers model their life according to its teachings in every aspect, religious or otherwise. This might sound strange to some people who think of religion as a personal relation between the individual and God, having no impact on one's activities outside rituals.

As a matter of fact Islam does not think much of mere rituals when they are performed mechanically and have no influence on one's inner life. The Qur'an addresses the believers and their neighbours from among the people of the Book who were arguing with them about the change of the direction of Qibla in the following verse:

It is not righteousness that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives his beloved money to the relatives and the orphans and the needy and for the ransoming of the captives and who observes prayer and pays the poor-due; and those who fulfill their promises when they have made one, and the patient in poverty and affliction and the steadfast in time of war; it is those who have proved truthful and it is those who are the God-fearing (2:177)

The deeds in the above verse are the deeds of righteousness and they are only a part of worship. The Prophet told us about faith, which is the basis of worship, is that it "is made up of sixty and some branches: the highest of which is the belief in the Oneness of Allah, i.e., there is no God but Allah and the lowest in the scale of worship is removing obstacles and dirt from people's way".

Decent work is considered in Islam a type of worship. The prophet said: "Whoever finds himself at the nightfall tired of his work, God will forgive his sins". Seeking knowledge is one of the highest types of worship. The Prophet told his companions that "seeking knowledge is a (religious) duty on every Muslim". In another saying he said: "Seeking knowledge for one hour is better than praying for seventy years". Social courtesy and co-operation are part of worship when done for the sake of Allah as the prophet told us: "Receiving your friend with a smile is a type of charity, helping a person to load his animal is a charity and putting some water in you neighbour's bucket is a charity".

It is worth noting that even performing one's duties is considered a sort of worship. The Prophet told us that whatever one spends for his family is a type of charity; he will be rewarded for it if he acquires it through legal means. Kindness to the members of one's family is an act of worship as when one puts a piece of food in his spouse's mouth as the prophet informed us. Not only this but even the acts we enjoy doing very much, when they are performed according to the instructions of the prophet, they are considered as acts of worship. The Prophet told his companions that they will be rewarded even for having sexual intercourse with their wives. The companions were astonished and asked: "How are we going to be rewarded for doing something we enjoy very much?" The Prophet asked them: "Suppose you satisfy your desires illegally, don't you think that you will be punished for that?" They replied, "yes". "So" he said. "By satisfying it legally with your wives you are rewarded for it". This means they are acts of worship.

Thus Islam does not consider sex a dirty thing that one should avoid. It is dirty and sin only when it is satisfied outside marital life.

It is clear, from the previous discussion that the concept of worship in Islam is a comprehensive concept that includes all the positive activities of the individual. This of course is an agreement with the all inclusive nature of Islam as a way of life. It regulates the human life on all levels: the individual, the social, the economic, the political and the spiritual. That is why Islam provides guidance to the smallest details of one's life on all these levels. Thus following these details is following Islamic instructions in that specific area. It is a very encouraging element when one realises that all his activities are considered by God as acts of worship. This should lead the individual to seek Allah's pleasure in his actions and always try to do them in the best possible manner whether he is watched by his superiors or he is alone. There is always the permanent supervisor, who knows everything namely, Allah.

Discussing the non-ritual worship in Islam first does not mean underevaluating the importance of the ritual ones. Actually ritual worships, if performed in true spirit, elevate man morally and spiritually and enable him to carry on his activities in all walks of life according to the Guidance of God. Among ritual worships, Salah (ritual prayer) occupies the key position for two reasons. Firstly, it is the distinctive mark of a believer. Secondly, it prevents an individual from all sorts of abominations and vices by providing him chances of direct communion with his Creator five times a day, wherein he renews his covenant with God and seeks His guidance again and again: "You alone we worship and to You alone we turn for help. Guide us to the straight path" (i:4-5). Actually Salah is the first practical manifestation of Faith and also the foremost of the basic conditions for the success of the believers:

Successful indeed are the believers who are humble in their prayers. (23:1-2)

The same fact has been emphasised by the Prophet (PBUH) in a different way. He says:

Those who offer their Salah with great care and punctuality, will find it a light, a proof of their Faith and cause of their salvation on the Day of Judgement.

After Salah, Zakah (poor-due) is an important pillar of Islam. In the Qur'an Salah and Zakah mostly have been mentioned together. Like Salah, Zakah is a manifestation of faith that affirms that God is the sole owner of everything in the universe, and what men hold is a trust in their hand over which God made them trustees to discharge it as He has laid down:

Believe in Allah and His messenger and spend of that over which He made you trustees. (57:7)

In this respect Zakah is an act of devotion which, like prayer, brings the believer nearer to his Lord.

Apart from this, Zakah is a means of redistribution of wealth in a way that reduces differences between classes and groups. It makes a fair contribution to social stability. By purging the soul of the rich from selfishness and the soul of the poor from envy and resentment against society, it stops up the channels leading to class hatred and makes it possible for the springs of brotherhood and solidarity to gush forth. Such stability is not merely based on the personal feelings of the rich: it stands on a firmly established right which, if the rich denied it, would be exacted by force, if necessary.

Siyam (fasting during the day time for the month of Ramadhan) is another pillar of Islam. The main function of fasting is to make the Muslim pure from "within" as other aspects of Shariah make him pure from "without". By such purity he responds to what is true and good and shuns what is false and evil. This is what we can perceive in the Qur'anic Verse:

"O you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may gain piety". (2:183)

In an authentic tradition, the prophet reported Allah as saying: "He suspends eating, drinking, and gratification of his sexual passions for My sake". Thus his reward is going to be according to God's great bounty.

Fasting, then, awakens the conscience of the individual and gives it scope for exercise in a joint experience for all society at the same time, thus adding further strength to each individual. Moreover, fasting offers a compulsory rest to the overworked human machine for the duration of one full month. Similarly fasting reminds an individual of those who are deprived of life necessities throughout the year or throughout life. It makes him realise the suffering of others; the less fortunate brothers in Islam, and thus promotes in him a sense of sympathy and kindness to them.

Lastly, we come to Al-Hajj (pilgrimage to the House of God in Makka). This very important pillar of Islam, manifests a unique unity, dispelling all kinds of differences. Muslims from all corners of the world, wearing the same dress, respond to the call of Hajj in one voice and language: LABBAIK ALLA HUMMA LABBAIK (Here I am at your service O Lord!). In Hajj there is an exercise of strict self-discipline and control where not only sacred things are revered, but even the life of plants and birds is made inviolable so that everything lives in safety:

"And he that venerates the sacred things of God, it shall be better for him with his Lord: (22:30), "And he that venerates the waymarks of God, it surely is from devotion of the heart". (22:32)

Pilgrimage gives an opportunity to all Muslims from all groups, classes, organisations, and governments from all over the Muslim world to meet annually in a great congress. The time and venue of this congress has been set by their one God. Invitation to attend is open to every Muslim. No one has the power to bar anyone. Every Muslim who attends is guaranteed full safety and freedom as long as he himself does not violate its safety.

Thus, worship in Islam, whether ritual or non-ritual, trains the individual in such a way that he loves his Creator most and thereby gains an unyielding will and spirit to wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society and make the word of God dominant in the world.

[Copied from 'THE ISLAMIC SCHOLAR']
 
Arabian said:
The concept of worship​


The concept of worship in Islam is misunderstood by many people including some Muslims. Worship is commonly taken to mean performing ritualist acts such as prayers, fasting, charity, etc. this limited understanding of worship is only one part of the meaning of worship in Islam. That is why the traditional definition of worship in Islam is a comprehensive definition that includes almost everything in any individual's activities. The definition goes something like this: "Worship is an inclusive term for all that God loves of external and internal sayings and actions of a person". In other words, worship is everything one says or does for the pleasure of Allah. This, of course, includes rituals as well as beliefs, social activities, and personal contributions to the welfare of one's fellow human-beings.

Islam looks at the individual as a whole. He is required to submit himself completely to Allah, as the Qur'an instructed the prophet Muhammad to do: "Say (O Muhammad) my prayer, my sacrifice, my life and my death belong to Allah; He has no partner and I am ordered to be among those who submit, i.e.; Muslims". The natural result of this submission is that all one's activities should conform to the instructions of the one whom the person is submitting to. Islam being a way of life, requires that its followers model their life according to its teachings in every aspect, religious or otherwise. This might sound strange to some people who think of religion as a personal relation between the individual and God, having no impact on one's activities outside rituals.

As a matter of fact Islam does not think much of mere rituals when they are performed mechanically and have no influence on one's inner life. The Qur'an addresses the believers and their neighbours from among the people of the Book who were arguing with them about the change of the direction of Qibla in the following verse:

It is not righteousness that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives his beloved money to the relatives and the orphans and the needy and for the ransoming of the captives and who observes prayer and pays the poor-due; and those who fulfill their promises when they have made one, and the patient in poverty and affliction and the steadfast in time of war; it is those who have proved truthful and it is those who are the God-fearing (2:177)

The deeds in the above verse are the deeds of righteousness and they are only a part of worship. The Prophet told us about faith, which is the basis of worship, is that it "is made up of sixty and some branches: the highest of which is the belief in the Oneness of Allah, i.e., there is no God but Allah and the lowest in the scale of worship is removing obstacles and dirt from people's way".

Decent work is considered in Islam a type of worship. The prophet said: "Whoever finds himself at the nightfall tired of his work, God will forgive his sins". Seeking knowledge is one of the highest types of worship. The Prophet told his companions that "seeking knowledge is a (religious) duty on every Muslim". In another saying he said: "Seeking knowledge for one hour is better than praying for seventy years". Social courtesy and co-operation are part of worship when done for the sake of Allah as the prophet told us: "Receiving your friend with a smile is a type of charity, helping a person to load his animal is a charity and putting some water in you neighbour's bucket is a charity".

It is worth noting that even performing one's duties is considered a sort of worship. The Prophet told us that whatever one spends for his family is a type of charity; he will be rewarded for it if he acquires it through legal means. Kindness to the members of one's family is an act of worship as when one puts a piece of food in his spouse's mouth as the prophet informed us. Not only this but even the acts we enjoy doing very much, when they are performed according to the instructions of the prophet, they are considered as acts of worship. The Prophet told his companions that they will be rewarded even for having sexual intercourse with their wives. The companions were astonished and asked: "How are we going to be rewarded for doing something we enjoy very much?" The Prophet asked them: "Suppose you satisfy your desires illegally, don't you think that you will be punished for that?" They replied, "yes". "So" he said. "By satisfying it legally with your wives you are rewarded for it". This means they are acts of worship.

Thus Islam does not consider sex a dirty thing that one should avoid. It is dirty and sin only when it is satisfied outside marital life.

It is clear, from the previous discussion that the concept of worship in Islam is a comprehensive concept that includes all the positive activities of the individual. This of course is an agreement with the all inclusive nature of Islam as a way of life. It regulates the human life on all levels: the individual, the social, the economic, the political and the spiritual. That is why Islam provides guidance to the smallest details of one's life on all these levels. Thus following these details is following Islamic instructions in that specific area. It is a very encouraging element when one realises that all his activities are considered by God as acts of worship. This should lead the individual to seek Allah's pleasure in his actions and always try to do them in the best possible manner whether he is watched by his superiors or he is alone. There is always the permanent supervisor, who knows everything namely, Allah.

Discussing the non-ritual worship in Islam first does not mean underevaluating the importance of the ritual ones. Actually ritual worships, if performed in true spirit, elevate man morally and spiritually and enable him to carry on his activities in all walks of life according to the Guidance of God. Among ritual worships, Salah (ritual prayer) occupies the key position for two reasons. Firstly, it is the distinctive mark of a believer. Secondly, it prevents an individual from all sorts of abominations and vices by providing him chances of direct communion with his Creator five times a day, wherein he renews his covenant with God and seeks His guidance again and again: "You alone we worship and to You alone we turn for help. Guide us to the straight path" (i:4-5). Actually Salah is the first practical manifestation of Faith and also the foremost of the basic conditions for the success of the believers:

Successful indeed are the believers who are humble in their prayers. (23:1-2)

The same fact has been emphasised by the Prophet (PBUH) in a different way. He says:

Those who offer their Salah with great care and punctuality, will find it a light, a proof of their Faith and cause of their salvation on the Day of Judgement.

After Salah, Zakah (poor-due) is an important pillar of Islam. In the Qur'an Salah and Zakah mostly have been mentioned together. Like Salah, Zakah is a manifestation of faith that affirms that God is the sole owner of everything in the universe, and what men hold is a trust in their hand over which God made them trustees to discharge it as He has laid down:

Believe in Allah and His messenger and spend of that over which He made you trustees. (57:7)

In this respect Zakah is an act of devotion which, like prayer, brings the believer nearer to his Lord.

Apart from this, Zakah is a means of redistribution of wealth in a way that reduces differences between classes and groups. It makes a fair contribution to social stability. By purging the soul of the rich from selfishness and the soul of the poor from envy and resentment against society, it stops up the channels leading to class hatred and makes it possible for the springs of brotherhood and solidarity to gush forth. Such stability is not merely based on the personal feelings of the rich: it stands on a firmly established right which, if the rich denied it, would be exacted by force, if necessary.

Siyam (fasting during the day time for the month of Ramadhan) is another pillar of Islam. The main function of fasting is to make the Muslim pure from "within" as other aspects of Shariah make him pure from "without". By such purity he responds to what is true and good and shuns what is false and evil. This is what we can perceive in the Qur'anic Verse:

"O you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may gain piety". (2:183)

In an authentic tradition, the prophet reported Allah as saying: "He suspends eating, drinking, and gratification of his sexual passions for My sake". Thus his reward is going to be according to God's great bounty.

Fasting, then, awakens the conscience of the individual and gives it scope for exercise in a joint experience for all society at the same time, thus adding further strength to each individual. Moreover, fasting offers a compulsory rest to the overworked human machine for the duration of one full month. Similarly fasting reminds an individual of those who are deprived of life necessities throughout the year or throughout life. It makes him realise the suffering of others; the less fortunate brothers in Islam, and thus promotes in him a sense of sympathy and kindness to them.

Lastly, we come to Al-Hajj (pilgrimage to the House of God in Makka). This very important pillar of Islam, manifests a unique unity, dispelling all kinds of differences. Muslims from all corners of the world, wearing the same dress, respond to the call of Hajj in one voice and language: LABBAIK ALLA HUMMA LABBAIK (Here I am at your service O Lord!). In Hajj there is an exercise of strict self-discipline and control where not only sacred things are revered, but even the life of plants and birds is made inviolable so that everything lives in safety:

"And he that venerates the sacred things of God, it shall be better for him with his Lord: (22:30), "And he that venerates the waymarks of God, it surely is from devotion of the heart". (22:32)

Pilgrimage gives an opportunity to all Muslims from all groups, classes, organisations, and governments from all over the Muslim world to meet annually in a great congress. The time and venue of this congress has been set by their one God. Invitation to attend is open to every Muslim. No one has the power to bar anyone. Every Muslim who attends is guaranteed full safety and freedom as long as he himself does not violate its safety.

Thus, worship in Islam, whether ritual or non-ritual, trains the individual in such a way that he loves his Creator most and thereby gains an unyielding will and spirit to wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society and make the word of God dominant in the world.

[Copied from 'THE ISLAMIC SCHOLAR']

Sounds absolutely wonderful. Now tell us about the part where Islam tells you to go out and blow up the innocent.


I am sorry to sound so bitter, but I am having a hard time understanding how anyone who believes in Islam could possibly cut off another human beings head, or gang rape a young girl, or worse yet, demand that other followers of that religion do so as well.

Add to that, it is not only Islam that has it's fanatics (I am well aware of that) but it seems that currently, it is the Muslims who are bent on killing anyone and everyone who is not Muslim. They do it supposedly in the name of Allah (or so they say) so it does not make Allah one of my favorites.
 
CSM said:
Sounds absolutely wonderful. Now tell us about the part where Islam tells you to go out and blow up the innocent.


I am sorry to sound so bitter, but I am having a hard time understanding how anyone who believes in Islam could possibly cut off another human beings head, or gang rape a young girl, or worse yet, demand that other followers of that religion do so as well.

Add to that, it is not only Islam that has it's fanatics (I am well aware of that) but it seems that currently, it is the Muslims who are bent on killing anyone and everyone who is not Muslim. They do it supposedly in the name of Allah (or so they say) so it does not make Allah one of my favorites.

The myth of "peaceful" islam is perpetuated only by those who seek to advance the islamic agenda. One only has to read the last paragraph of the article: "Thus, worship in Islam, whether ritual or non-ritual, trains the individual in such a way that he loves his Creator most and thereby gains an unyielding will and spirit to wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society and make the word of God dominant in the world. "

The author states that adherents to islam seek to "wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society". That appears to be a noble endeavor until you realize that they define all non-muslims as evil oppressors. Also their zeal to "make the word of God dominant in the world" sounds relatively benign. But moslems view the "word of God" as being the sole property of islam and they view all others as infidels who are to be either converted or destroyed.

I know that I sound like a bigot when it comes to islam, but I have not arrived at my attitude voluntarily. I have been forced to adopt these views by the words and actions of muslim murderers throughout the world. I no longer believe islam to be peaceful. Matter of fact, I no longer believe islam to be a religion. I believe it is a murderous cult which seeks to dominate the world through violent means if necessary and seeks to reduce women to the status of sub-humans.

Moslems only profess their peacful intentions long enough to sneak up behind you and cut your throat.
 
Merlin1047 said:
The myth of "peaceful" islam is perpetuated only by those who seek to advance the islamic agenda. One only has to read the last paragraph of the article: "Thus, worship in Islam, whether ritual or non-ritual, trains the individual in such a way that he loves his Creator most and thereby gains an unyielding will and spirit to wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society and make the word of God dominant in the world. "

The author states that adherents to islam seek to "wipe out all evil and oppression from the human society". That appears to be a noble endeavor until you realize that they define all non-muslims as evil oppressors. Also their zeal to "make the word of God dominant in the world" sounds relatively benign. But moslems view the "word of God" as being the sole property of islam and they view all others as infidels who are to be either converted or destroyed.

I know that I sound like a bigot when it comes to islam, but I have not arrived at my attitude voluntarily. I have been forced to adopt these views by the words and actions of muslim murderers throughout the world. I no longer believe islam to be peaceful. Matter of fact, I no longer believe islam to be a religion. I believe it is a murderous cult which seeks to dominate the world through violent means if necessary and seeks to reduce women to the status of sub-humans.

Moslems only profess their peacful intentions long enough to sneak up behind you and cut your throat.

I cannot argue with you for I hold much the same view. I was hoping someone like Arabian would explain it to me and at least deny that Muslims are not the murderous thugs the entire host of believers appear to be.

In other words, you are spoiling my fun.
 
Prophet told his companions that they will be rewarded even for having sexual intercourse with their wives

Does this include oral worship?? If so, maybe I can convince my wife she needs to be more 'worshipful'.


:D
 
-=d=- said:
Does this include oral worship?? If so, maybe I can convince my wife she needs to be more 'worshipful'.


:D

In all seriousness, sex is a way to Worship. I mean what better way to Worship our Creater than in the act of Procreation. As for oral...well i honestly couldnt tell you that.
 
Avatar4321 said:
In all seriousness, sex is a way to Worship. I mean what better way to Worship our Creater than in the act of Procreation. As for oral...well i honestly couldnt tell you that.


Well, I've procreated twice. That's enough worship in that department. As-is...sex doesn't feel like me 'blessing' God. It's hard enough to 'bless' my wife - more, it's like me saying a big THANK YOU!! to God. :)
 
As far as sex... I think it's a gift from God that he intended us to enjoy, within certain confines. Just as God created alcohol for us to enjoy within limits, and He created food for us to enjoy within limits, so He created sex for us to enjoy within limits - those limits being the bonds of marriage.

As far as the original post, Arabian, do you have a :link: ?
 
What's up with ya all?
Is that all you think of Arabs or Muslims
I get sick of trying to illustrate to you my point and each time you always came up with new things
I told you before, every one want peace and the human have been created with his love to peace
But you know what all western have fun when any thing bad in this world they just pointed to the Arab and say, look watch what Arab did, they always put Arab under the microscope and observe their acting,
I think if you wake up at the morning and found some file on your computer corrupted you will say yes
Arabian is the one who did so he sends me a virus
Or wait wait
Maybe if you wakeup and saw a damage in your wall you will say maybe some one of the Arab damage it
Or when your grand father died you will say some of the Arab did so
Why you are keep in accusing us
Did I do some thing bad to you?
Did you had once an Arabian Muslim friend and he betrayed you ?
Do you know me?
Do you know us?
Did you see how we live?
If any one have answers please answer me
Tell me from where you get all of that hate to Arab, is it from the media?
Did you inherent this hate?
Have you ever thought why you think so?
Do you wanna tell me that all the nation's but Arabs are angels came down from the heaven and the Arabs are the demon here?
We all are human beings we mistakes and say sorry we misunderstand
But I think that the better one who keep hanging with his believe, believe he gains from his studying and from his view of point
Not a believe he gains from his media or from others view point
How then he could make a right decision
His believe should come from his inside and from his view to the situation
I do confess that not all Arabs have their
View of point
And they also believe their media
But some of them have their believe and view
This why am here
Am here to know the truth I just wanna know why you think so about Arabs and Muslims
And to know how you think about us about me
Am here to give you the true picture of us
As long as I can get the true picture from you I contact with you
To know from where you get this feeling towards Arab
sura 049. Al-Hujurât
6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.

I don’t lie why I should lie, what I will gain if I lied to you
Am a normal person who decide to enter a place to know some thing new
And make you see how do we think, live what is our believes
How we think about other
sura 005. Al-Mâ'idah
82. Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
This what our Qur'an say and he didn't lie
Jewish hate Muslim more than any thing in this world
Okay am with you that some people use the Islam to reach their needs
And just interpret wrong interpretation to serve their needs and they may convince their fellow with that
But we can't just judge the Islam through them,
Cuz theist people resident in every religion and cult, and it doesn’t the fault of the religion it is the fault of the human greedy.
And the Islam didn’t say be Muslim or you will be killed
Muslim didn’t enter countries and destroy it because it is a country of a none Muslims as the England was doing in the last century,
Muslims came with their culture to build a whole nation and they never killed a man cuz he wasn't Muslims
In Andalusia "Spain now" and what the Arab made their from a great civilization and they didn’t kill its people they lived side by side have the same rights and also Andalusia people didn’t riot against the Arab cuz they came to build and get them out from their ignorance and didn’t deal as America do now in Iraq or what Israel do with the Palestinian , and what you think when Europe came to Andalusia they killed and humiliate Muslims and didn’t even keep their word with abd alrahman ebn al ahmar
And destroy and kill every thing beautiful, it isn't my word
It’s the history words and who don’t believe me he could search or read the history
I don’t tell lies

At least in the Islam the Qur'an didn’t push people to hate and kill on the contrary have you ever read the Talmud of the Jewish or read the protocols of them
That they now deny their relation to it

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Arabian said:
What's up with ya all?
Is that all you think of Arabs or Muslims
I get sick of trying to illustrate to you my point and each time you always came up with new things
I told you before, every one want peace and the human have been created with his love to peace
But you know what all western have fun when any thing bad in this world they just pointed to the Arab and say, look watch what Arab did, they always put Arab under the microscope and observe their acting,
I think if you wake up at the morning and found some file on your computer corrupted you will say yes
Arabian is the one who did so he sends me a virus
Or wait wait
Maybe if you wakeup and saw a damage in your wall you will say maybe some one of the Arab damage it
Or when your grand father died you will say some of the Arab did so
Why you are keep in accusing us
Did I do some thing bad to you?
Did you had once an Arabian Muslim friend and he betrayed you ?
Do you know me?
Do you know us?
Did you see how we live?
If any one have answers please answer me
Tell me from where you get all of that hate to Arab, is it from the media?
Did you inherent this hate?
Have you ever thought why you think so?
Do you wanna tell me that all the nation's but Arabs are angels came down from the heaven and the Arabs are the demon here?
We all are human beings we mistakes and say sorry we misunderstand
But I think that the better one who keep hanging with his believe, believe he gains from his studying and from his view of point
Not a believe he gains from his media or from others view point
How then he could make a right decision
His believe should come from his inside and from his view to the situation
I do confess that not all Arabs have their
View of point
And they also believe their media
But some of them have their believe and view
This why am here
Am here to know the truth I just wanna know why you think so about Arabs and Muslims
And to know how you think about us about me
Am here to give you the true picture of us
As long as I can get the true picture from you I contact with you
To know from where you get this feeling towards Arab
sura 049. Al-Hujurât
6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.

I don’t lie why I should lie, what I will gain if I lied to you
Am a normal person who decide to enter a place to know some thing new
And make you see how do we think, live what is our believes
How we think about other
sura 005. Al-Mâ'idah
82. Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
This what our Qur'an say and he didn't lie
Jewish hate Muslim more than any thing in this world
Okay am with you that some people use the Islam to reach their needs
And just interpret wrong interpretation to serve their needs and they may convince their fellow with that
But we can't just judge the Islam through them,
Cuz theist people resident in every religion and cult, and it doesn’t the fault of the religion it is the fault of the human greedy.
And the Islam didn’t say be Muslim or you will be killed
Muslim didn’t enter countries and destroy it because it is a country of a none Muslims as the England was doing in the last century,
Muslims came with their culture to build a whole nation and they never killed a man cuz he wasn't Muslims
In Andalusia "Spain now" and what the Arab made their from a great civilization and they didn’t kill its people they lived side by side have the same rights and also Andalusia people didn’t riot against the Arab cuz they came to build and get them out from their ignorance and didn’t deal as America do now in Iraq or what Israel do with the Palestinian , and what you think when Europe came to Andalusia they killed and humiliate Muslims and didn’t even keep their word with abd alrahman ebn al ahmar
And destroy and kill every thing beautiful, it isn't my word
It’s the history words and who don’t believe me he could search or read the history
I don’t tell lies

At least in the Islam the Qur'an didn’t push people to hate and kill on the contrary have you ever read the Talmud of the Jewish or read the protocols of them
That they now deny their relation to it

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I dont know if you are just naive or are trying to pull my leg. Do you really believe that Muslims never killed anyone just because they weren't Muslim? Do you really believe that it wasn't men of Arab blood that destroyed the Twin Towers in New York and in so doing killed 3000 innocent people? Do really believe that Americans hate Muslims just because they are Muslims? Do you really believe that Americans cannot think for themselves, that they do not anjoy beautiful things and only want to destroy?

I must ask if you have ever been to the United States. Travelled this land and scene the beauty of the land and its people. Talked to the man on the street and on the farms and in the factories. We are no different than any other culture; we laugh, we love, we try to make life better for our children. What we dont do is insist that you must follow a certain religion or a certain politic. We dont insist that you believe as we do or be killed.

Certainly we understand that not all Muslims are as fanatical as those who torture, maim and kill. What we do not understand is why the Muslim world has not publicly condemned such acts, why the mullahs preach hatred for the US in their mosques, why some Muslims declare jihad against the United States, why Muslims are told to kill Americans whenever and where ever they can. We cannot understand why Muslims keep their girl children from going to school, why Muslim women are forbidden to drive a car, or why Muslims cannot tolerate other religions (American soldiers could not take Bibles to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War). Did you know that Saudi Arabia would not let the US soldiers fly the American flag in Saudi Arabia or that female soldiers were forbidden to be seen in public, even though they fought for Kuwait's liberation?

There is a lot we dont understand about Arabs and Muslims but other than yourself, I have seen damned little effort from the Muslim and Arab community to try to reach an understanding that did not involve some kind of bomb, gunfire, jihad, and hate.
 
I dont believe he is saying that CSM. Arabian is saying that the Islamic religion that he believes in does not support the killing of non-muslims simply for being nonmuslim.

He was speaking for his religion, not for other practioners who bastardized it.
 
deaddude said:
I dont believe he is saying that CSM. Arabian is saying that the Islamic religion that he believes in does not support the killing of non-muslims simply for being nonmuslim.

He was speaking for his religion, not for other practioners who bastardized it.

You may or may not be correct in this instance. I have been following Arabian's posts quite closely because he picqued my interest early on. Overall, the general gist of his posts are that Islam is the one true religion, it is not nor does it preach evil, and the stated goal of Islam is to spread the word of Allah throughout the world. The fact that he believes that (or appears to quite devoutly) is fine; the problem I have is that he ignores the fact that most of the trouble spots we hear about currently are because of Muslim fanatics. It appears to me that this movement is not just a minor faction of the Islamic religion, that there are many, many who believe that their religious beliefs DEMAND that they fight and kill non-Muslims any time and anyplace. It bothers me greatly that there is no outcry at the atrocities committed by the terrorists in the name of Islam and an overwhelming hue and cry against the United States when they fight against the terrorists. This alone indicates to me that it is not about morality but, rather, a propaganda war. There is little doubt in my mind that the majority of Muslims want to see the US destroyed (in the name of Allah of course) and I have yet to hear one argument with any substance that this is not the case.
 

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