The Bible: A History

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1. The oldest form of writing, cuneiform, first appeared in the Middle East in 3200 BCE, and continued ‘til the second century, CE. This is why writing was in place in ancient Israel, at the time of the prophets of the Old Testament, roughly the first and early second millennia BCE.

a. The importance of the above is that it disputes some fiction of an oral history that distorted the prophet’s messages. Writing was clearly recognized and appreciated.

b. Exodus 17:14 “And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book”





2. At some time later, written texts from various religious centers were collected in Jerusalem, and edited into a single collection. The fact that many ‘editors’ were involved may explain why many Old Testament books became anonymous. As long as this editing was carried out by other prophets, the sanctity of the literature would not have been affected. The timing of the Old Testament can be placed at the fourth century BCE.

3. The oldest copies of the Old Testament that we have today were written in Hebrew, with some Aramaic (a Semitic language from the kingdom of “Aram,” or Damascus.)

a. Prior to the time of Jesus, Greek-speaking Jews at Alexandria translated it into Greek. This version is known as the Septuagint, Latin for 70- for the number of translators, and completed by the second cenury BCE.

b. The oldest complete copy is the Codex Sinaiticus, from mid-fourth century CE at the Greek Orthodox Monastery of Mount Sinai, most of the manuscript today resides within the British Library.

4. Today, the standard Hebrew version of the Old Testament is the Masoretic text (MT). The MT is also widely used as the basis for translations of the Old Testament in Protestant Bibles, and in recent years (since 1943) also for some CatholicBibles, although the Eastern Orthodox continue to use the Septuagint, as they hold it to be divinely inspired. Masoretic Text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Although it only dates to around 1010 CE, the strictness of the copying techniques of the Masoretes, groups of Jewish scribes and scholars working in Israel, 7th- 11th centuries CE have preserved the authoritative texts from Christ’s time.

a. They wrote nothing from memory- each word copied from an authoritative text had to be read aloud first- he had to wipe his pen before writing the word for “God”- his whole body before writing the word for “Lord”- had strict rules for spacing- each complete scroll had to be proofread by three other Masorete scholars- and every word and letter counted.

b. An older Hebrew text, the ‘Dead Sea Scrolls,’ were found in 1947, dating back to around 250 BCE to 135 CE. While their religious doctrines agree, the Masoretic text is more accurate.





6. In the first two centuries CE, Jesus’ apostles translated the above into a number of languages. “The Vulgate is a late 4th-century Latin translation of the Bible. It was largely the work of St. Jerome, who was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382 to make a revision of the old Latin translations. By the 13th century this revision had come to be called the versio vulgata, that is, the "commonly used translation", and ultimately it became the definitive and officially promulgated Latin version of the Bible in the Roman Catholic Church.” Vulgate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. The English Douai is the English translation of the Vulgate (published between 1582 and 1610) and is the version on which almost all English Catholic versions are still based.

7. King James VI of Scotland became King of England, as James I, was Protestant, and ordered a new English translation. The translators selected were the highest of scholars, and devoted to the faith. They had no doubt that the text they were handling was the very Word of God.

From “The Genesis Enigma,” by Andrew Parker
 
There's a big difference between the Bible having a history and being literal history, itself. The Bible is many documents. Besides its decidedly moral and historical components, its also a work of political propaganda. A narrative was needed to unite the Israelites after the Babylonians captivity and legends were cobbled together to justify their ownership of Canaan. While some of the Exodus and conquest stories may have occurred in some form, archaeology provides very little evidence of any of them.
 
The bible is little more than myths and legends written at much later dates of a very minor tribe in the Middle East.
 
The bible is little more than myths and legends written at much later dates of a very minor tribe in the Middle East.

Why....how unusual to find a societal spokesman mouthing the dogma of the secular society!

Courageous and deeply researched!

No doubt you have to endure threats and contumely!

Kudos to you!
 
The bible is little more than myths and legends written at much later dates of a very minor tribe in the Middle East.

One has a right to believe or not, this decision is yours to make, please do not be-little another's beliefs because they don't fit into your box. Be thankful that those that abide by the scripture and books of the Bible attempt to live a moral life and do not subscribe to a jihad against those that do not.
 
The bible is little more than myths and legends written at much later dates of a very minor tribe in the Middle East.

One has a right to believe or not, this decision is yours to make, please do not be-little another's beliefs because they don't fit into your box. Be thankful that those that abide by the scripture and books of the Bible attempt to live a moral life and do not subscribe to a jihad against those that do not.

There's a big difference between following the moral precepts found in the Bible and accepting it as historical fact. One can honor the former while questioning the latter.
 
Anti-christian zealots aren't thankful for anything...and they will never endorse morality of any kind.

You're not helping your cause by equating the moral lessons of the Bible with the historical/political parts.

So....are you validating the moral lessons?


Good start!


But, you won't go so far as to claim that archaeology hasn't found proof of aspects of biblical history.....would you?
 
The fundamental theme of the Bible is do you believe in God, if so, then that belief alone, without idols, will prevail and deliver you. Is money, prestige, power, and possessions, the idols of the modern man who has turned away from God? Do you need to see archaeological evidence of the Exodus, Solomon, David....to believe in a God? if so, you are once again doubting the existence of a God and continue to worship idols but in this case it is the physical proof, and act of touching. This is the very reason God shunned Israel, for her lack of unwavering belief of the one that delivered her from bondage and oppression in Egypt. 2013 years ago something very special happened and we base our measurement in time commencing with the birth of his son who was sacrificed to cleanse the world of its sins.
 
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Anti-christian zealots aren't thankful for anything...and they will never endorse morality of any kind.

You're not helping your cause by equating the moral lessons of the Bible with the historical/political parts.

So....are you validating the moral lessons?


Good start!


But, you won't go so far as to claim that archaeology hasn't found proof of aspects of biblical history.....would you?

Some, but certainly not all. For example, there's no proof there ever was a conquest of Canaan and no proof of a large slave population in Egypt.
 
You're not helping your cause by equating the moral lessons of the Bible with the historical/political parts.

So....are you validating the moral lessons?


Good start!


But, you won't go so far as to claim that archaeology hasn't found proof of aspects of biblical history.....would you?

Some, but certainly not all. For example, there's no proof there ever was a conquest of Canaan and no proof of a large slave population in Egypt.



Well, let me recommend “The Oxford History of the Biblical World,” edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.

The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). “Many populations appear to have migrated….Egypt was attacked by groups called ‘Sea Peoples.’ They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines …were among the Sea Peoples.”
“…the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE…”

“Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan…This group called itself Israel…The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE….[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious ‘Sea Peoples,’ of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast…The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of …this event.”

“This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.”
“The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).”
“Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.”

Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, “chariot-warriors,” and “chariots of iron,” (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous “Warrior Vase” found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.



Perhaps we can arrange a 'cage match' between Dr. Michael D. Coogan, and yourself....Pay-per-View.


Winner take all.
 
There's a big difference between the Bible having a history and being literal history, itself. The Bible is many documents. Besides its decidedly moral and historical components, its also a work of political propaganda. A narrative was needed to unite the Israelites after the Babylonians captivity and legends were cobbled together to justify their ownership of Canaan. While some of the Exodus and conquest stories may have occurred in some form, archaeology provides very little evidence of any of them.

Dear Konradv and PoliticalChic:
As a Gentile who believes in Christ,
I see the Bible as representing the spiritual history of humanity.

The OT was about living by the letter of the law, which is
corrupted by greed for power and abused for Retributive Justice or Antichrist.
False government that oppresses and destroys relations and whole nations
by division, bringing death and suffering that repeats in cycles
from one generation to the next.

The NT is about living by the spirit of the laws,
love of truth/justice/humanity, which is Restorative Justice
that heals relations and brings correction by mutual forgiveness.

So here the cycle of injustice and suffering from the past is broken,
the spiritual wounds are healed and the physical injustices and debts
are resolved by restitution so there is lasting peace and justice.

So the sacrifice and redemption of Christ Jesus
represents this salvation process for all humanity.

All people of all tribes and nations follow the same
patterns of downfall and recovery to reach spiritual maturity
and to receive Divine Justice that fulfills the laws,
so there is agreement with the spirit and the letter of the law rejoined as one.

Right now we are seeing major upheavals in both the church and the state
because of past conflicts; as the reforms and corrections take place,
there will not be political conflicts but cooperative problem-solving to correct and prevent these ills in the future. So the cycle of suffering and war will come to an end, when
all people agree to seek forgiveness and correction instead of judgment and punishment.

This is what it means to shift from retributive justice, that destroys relationships
and bankrupts society with crime, abuse and war, to restorative justice which heals people and rebuilds relationships and institutions so there is sustainable growth and development.
 
So....are you validating the moral lessons?


Good start!


But, you won't go so far as to claim that archaeology hasn't found proof of aspects of biblical history.....would you?

Some, but certainly not all. For example, there's no proof there ever was a conquest of Canaan and no proof of a large slave population in Egypt.



Well, let me recommend “The Oxford History of the Biblical World,” edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.

The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). “Many populations appear to have migrated….Egypt was attacked by groups called ‘Sea Peoples.’ They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines …were among the Sea Peoples.”
“…the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE…”

“Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan…This group called itself Israel…The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE….[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious ‘Sea Peoples,’ of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast…The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of …this event.”

“This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.”
“The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).”
“Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.”

Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, “chariot-warriors,” and “chariots of iron,” (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous “Warrior Vase” found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.

Perhaps we can arrange a 'cage match' between Dr. Michael D. Coogan, and yourself....Pay-per-View.

Winner take all.

Where in all that is there proof that a large group of slaves left Egypt and conquered Canaan? I just don't see it. The fact that the Philistines are "Sea Peoples" is interesting, but irrelevant to the Exodus story.
 

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