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[The T]

Actually, T, I agree with Thomas Jefferson's description of it:

"[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”
The Papers of Thomas Jefferson - Home

Based on that, it actually sounds like both of you disagree with Thomas Jefferson.

Seems you don't understand what he wrote.

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

 

[The Infidel]

Seems you don't understand what he wrote.

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

 

[francoHFW]

This ain't 1789 and you appear to know NOTHING about the disgrace that is our health "system". Jefferson was against ANY gov't projects, thought the Erie Canal would be an impossibility for 50 years.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Seems you don't understand what he wrote.

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

Really? We're back to this point?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

 

[The Infidel]

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

Really? We're back to this point?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

 

[The T]

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

Really? We're back to this point?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

However? You FAIL to post the rest of it...now WHY would you do that?

 

[The T]

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

Really? We're back to this point?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

Do Be Stupid knows he's wrong. He's just counting political coup at this point thinking he's smarter than the Founders and the Constitution they wrote.

 

[LockeJaw]

To the dip that thinks the general welfare clause grants the federal government power to force the people to buy health insurance... Please tell us how and why and site some sources please.

 

[DontBeStupid]

To the dip that thinks the general welfare clause grants the federal government power to force the people to buy health insurance... Please tell us how and why and site some sources please.

No one is claiming that and the law does not force anyone to do that.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Really? We're back to this point?



Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

Do Be Stupid knows he's wrong. He's just counting political coup at this point thinking he's smarter than the Founders and the Constitution they wrote.

heh heh ok ok. You guys clearly don't want to discuss this. That's fine. In the future, you could just say so. Save everyone a lot of time.

 

[LockeJaw]

To the dip that thinks the general welfare clause grants the federal government power to force the people to buy health insurance... Please tell us how and why and site some sources please.

No one is claiming that and the law does not force anyone to do that.

Well what does it do then?

 

[LockeJaw]

Do Be Stupid knows he's wrong. He's just counting political coup at this point thinking he's smarter than the Founders and the Constitution they wrote.

heh heh ok ok. You guys clearly don't want to discuss this. That's fine. In the future, you could just say so. Save everyone a lot of time.

Sure we do. Let's do it then. Tell me how the individual mandate doesn't force people to buy insurance?

 

[hortysir]

Then tell me where I'm wrong.

Because, it sounds to me, like Jefferson agrees with me that Congress can raise money to spend on the welfare of the country, something many of you disagree with.

And those funds to be used as outlined in Article 1, Section 8.

Everything else Government has become is unConstitutional.

get it yet?

Really? We're back to this point?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Again, explain to all of us how "general welfare" does not in any way include "health care".

And here is the list of things they are allowed to spend those collected monies on:


To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.






Nope......
No mention of anything even slightly resembling health-care

 

[francoHFW]

Typical Pub Dupe navel gazing while the corrupt GOP panders to the greedy rich and corporations that rip us all off and ruin the country. Pffffft!! LOL!

 

[DontBeStupid]

Do Be Stupid knows he's wrong. He's just counting political coup at this point thinking he's smarter than the Founders and the Constitution they wrote.

heh heh ok ok. You guys clearly don't want to discuss this. That's fine. In the future, you could just say so. Save everyone a lot of time.

Sure we do. Let's do it then. Tell me how the individual mandate doesn't force people to buy insurance?

Because the Mandate requires you to have insurance, not buy insurance. If you worked for me, and I provided insurance to all my workers, you would be legally required to buy nothing.

 

[Avorysuds]

You, sir, are a scholar.

and your a dunce

Ah, then you can explain to all of us what it means for Congress to promote the general welfare, and how that, apparently, has nothing to do with health.

Thanks!

Watch how quickly I can own you, destroy you entire argument only to have you dance to some other bullshit argument. Then when your new position is destroyed you will casually jump back to this “promote” argument that was already destroyed as if it never happened.

"promote the general welfare"


Promote | Define Promote at Dictionary.com

 

[DontBeStupid]

And here is the list of things they are allowed to spend those collected monies on:


To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.






Nope......
No mention of anything even slightly resembling health-care

Funny how you cut out "general welfare" as one of the things Congress can spend money on. But hey, if you want to go with regulating commerce or passing laws needed to carry out the execution of these powers, we can go down that road instead.

 

[DontBeStupid]

and your a dunce

Ah, then you can explain to all of us what it means for Congress to promote the general welfare, and how that, apparently, has nothing to do with health.

Thanks!

Watch how quickly I can own you, destroy you entire argument only to have you dance to some other bullshit argument. Then when your new position is destroyed you will casually jump back to this “promote” argument that was already destroyed as if it never happened.

"promote the general welfare"


Promote | Define Promote at Dictionary.com

heh heh

I know what the word means. Thanks.

 

[The T]

heh heh ok ok. You guys clearly don't want to discuss this. That's fine. In the future, you could just say so. Save everyone a lot of time.

Sure we do. Let's do it then. Tell me how the individual mandate doesn't force people to buy insurance?

Because the Mandate requires you to have insurance, not buy insurance. If you worked for me, and I provided insurance to all my workers, you would be legally required to buy nothing.

Having means YOU subscribe to Government plans...Buyng means you HAVE TO buy one...one or the other means the Government is telling YOU that you better or else.

Where did they get that power to demand such?

I'd say they were out of bounds.

And Don't use the Car insurance schtick. That has been proven false, and gets tiring everytime it's used by the left.

 

[hortysir]

heh heh ok ok. You guys clearly don't want to discuss this. That's fine. In the future, you could just say so. Save everyone a lot of time.

Sure we do. Let's do it then. Tell me how the individual mandate doesn't force people to buy insurance?

Because the Mandate requires you to have insurance, not buy insurance. If you worked for me, and I provided insurance to all my workers, you would be legally required to buy nothing.

And how much more would you be able to pay me since you have that added expense?