The battle for the "Big Fuckin Deal" begins tomorrow!

[Listening]

Well, this is the core of our disagreement. The power to spend (if not limited to the scope of an enumerated power) amounts to a broad general power and that's exactly how its been used. You've made the case yourself: by applying the necessary and proper clause recursively onto the supposed "implied power to spend" you can justify passing any and all laws required to effect that spending. As nonsensical as this sounds (to me), it's the prevailing precedent, and just as the anti-federalists feared it's resulted in a radical expansion of federal power.

Which is amazing to think about in the grand scheme of things.

We've gone so far down that road, we might never get back. And of course, some of what we want....we never had.

Look at Federal Coercion of the states using Federal Highway dollars. It is a crime.

 

[candycorn]

Prediction: the mandate will stand.

Under which premise 'Power to Tax' or The Commerce Clause?

Obama's team seem to not to be able to make up thier minds. They're all over the spectrum.

It's my understanding that both cover it.

You were pretty much right as it turns out.

 

[candycorn]

Sounds like the SCOTUS is concerned about the implications of the bill.

Not looking so good for Team Obama.

he he he

 

[dblack]

Under which premise 'Power to Tax' or The Commerce Clause?

Obama's team seem to not to be able to make up thier minds. They're all over the spectrum.

It's my understanding that both cover it.

You were pretty much right as it turns out.

Equivocation takes the day.

 

[Old Rocks]

One major implication of the decision was that we can use a tax on all to support a real single payer universal health care system. Actually join the 21st century with the rest of the industrial nations.

 

[bripat9643]

One major implication of the decision was that we can use a tax on all to support a real single payer universal health care system. Actually join the 21st century with the rest of the industrial nations.

No one ever considered that unconstitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

 

[candycorn]

One major implication of the decision was that we can use a tax on all to support a real single payer universal health care system. Actually join the 21st century with the rest of the industrial nations.

No one ever considered that Constitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

Weren't you the guy who wanted to get rid of public schools?

 

[francoHFW]

Actually, Holland and Switzerland have systems similar to Obamacare. And Romneycare, which is great and showing no signs of all this pubcrappe.

 

[bripat9643]

One major implication of the decision was that we can use a tax on all to support a real single payer universal health care system. Actually join the 21st century with the rest of the industrial nations.

No one ever considered that Constitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

Weren't you the guy who wanted to get rid of public schools?

Yes I am.

So?

 

[candycorn]

No one ever considered that Constitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

Weren't you the guy who wanted to get rid of public schools?

Yes I am.

So?

You'd be the expert on what is considered stupid in that case since that is the most brazenly idiotic thing ever written in this hallowed messageboard.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ol' Pattycake is a walking billboard for stupidity.

 

[Cowman]

One major implication of the decision was that we can use a tax on all to support a real single payer universal health care system. Actually join the 21st century with the rest of the industrial nations.

No one ever considered that Constitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

Weren't you the guy who wanted to get rid of public schools?

He hates his teachers. Yes.

 

[candycorn]

No one ever considered that Constitutional, rocks in the head. They just considered it stupid.

Weren't you the guy who wanted to get rid of public schools?

He hates his teachers. Yes.

Well, they're smarter than he is. Republicans (by and large) decry intelligence and think of those who are educated as "snobs". He's a real republican I suppose; which is why Obama is beginning to lengthen his lead over Governor Romney.