Ravi
Diamond Member
What debate?
If you are against abortion, don't have one.
If you are against abortion, don't have one.
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Exactly how I feel about tequila.What debate?
If you are against abortion, don't have one.
Exactly.
And if you are for abortion, have as many as you like.
What debate?
If you are against abortion, don't have one.
My problem is not so much with the settled law on this issue as with the back flips that we must go through to morally justify abortions. If we are a moral society only and not pragmatic at all, then we must reject abortion. If we are a pragmatic society using morals as a compass but not as a master, then we must accept abortion.
First five years, plenty of time to make a choice on whether or not to terminate something that cannot survive outside the care of some olderFirst trimester, plenty of time to make a choice on whether or not to terminate something that has no chance of surviving outside the womb.
The argument from potential fails because the usage of contraception or even the practice of celibacy also prevents the development of a potential person
What is it about that life in itself that endows it with greater moral value than other nonhuman animals with a greater level of awareness and capacity to suffer?
Once born, a baby's life matters to others, and killing a healthy baby will cause its parents and other family to suffer.
Moreover, a baby can be adopted by others while a nonviable fetus cannot, so there is no utility maximization provided through the killing of a baby.
That's because extrinsic moral value as applied from a detached person is subordinate to the pregnant woman's own preferences and interests.
But it operates on the premise that there's some intrinsic moral value in human life merely by virtue of its membership in the species homo sapiens.
I'm challenging that premise
Let me see if I got this straight, a guy who's job it was to kill others (Retired Gay Sgt) is arguing that an embryo, which btw isn't a "human life" yet, is worthy of protection? LOL, pretty funny, dude.
So if a woman is under a lot of stress in her life and the stress causes a miscarriage, should she be arrested for murder?
If God was indeed so intricately involved with our lives, don't you think he'd be focused on more important issues such as war, poverty, infadelity, murder of living, adult human beings, etc.?
As the OP of this thread, I ask that everyone remain civil and shy away from using personal attacks on one another to make your point.
The conservative point of view, if I understand this correctly, is that a fetus or a pre-fetus is a life form with the potential to become a human.
not quite. That's how the Left tries to portray the Right's position. If you read that carefully, you see the loaded language used to poison the well.
.My view - first and early-mid second term abortions are acceptable
Why?
Why and how is it disgusting? Is the repulsion you feel the sole factor in your decision?
Why?
Define 'complex' and by what reason you equate the life of a microbe to human life when it suits your purpose, but not when the comparison ceases to suit your agenda- that is, if bacterial lifeforms are equal to our own as you imply, then homicide should never be a crime if it is okay to kill a microbe.
I assume you are a vegan who refuses to eat food grown on any farm that keeps animals, including but not limited to beasts of burden? I assume you have no pets and you support feline and ovine suffrage?
Demonstrate that this is true and that it means we should regard them as outr equals
That's simply not true. Clothes can be made from plants, and small personal/family gardens can be tended by hand to sustain us. If anything, the above supports the argument that animals are simply an animal resource we must and should use as needed.
I find this hypocritical of conservatives.
Your post is full of ideological inconsistencies that lead me to conclude there are two possibilities:
1) You're an idiot
2) You're an idiot trying to be a smartass
So, that's my view on abortion. 22 weeks or less.
Which you have yet to defend
First five years, plenty of time to make a choice on whether or not to terminate something that cannot survive outside the care of some olderFirst trimester, plenty of time to make a choice on whether or not to terminate something that has no chance of surviving outside the womb.
Scientists would go ga-ga over the discovery of a single cell life form on Mars, and trumpet that "there is life there"! If a single cell is classified as "life" why is two or more living cells in a woman's uterus destined to become a human being so non-chalantly discarded?
You have yet to defend anything you said, despite it being shown to be fallacious bullshit. Either defend your position or STFU and never make or comment in another thread on the natter again.
'Murder in the first degree' is legal parlance. As of this post, your calims are not truthful or accurate.Abortion is not a choice,but it is a murder of the first degree.
So, Article- you ignore any questions and instead bitch about posts you don't like? Ever since page one I've told you to back up your shit. Either grow a brain and some balls and defend your assertions or STFU and stop whining like a bitch when someone calls you out.
Abortion is a crime.It is a bloody agenda of radical feminist movement of NOW,a Marxist based organization.Who gave rights to women to murder their children?If a woman is pregnant and she doesn't want her child,she must to turn her infant to orphanage from which the child will be adopted to good caring hands.But murdering a pre-born child by this bloody abortion is her way to Hell.It is a time for America to reconsider unconstitutional Supreme Court case Roe vs Wade of 1973.'Murder in the first degree' is legal parlance. As of this post, your calims are not truthful or accurate.Abortion is not a choice,but it is a murder of the first degree.
Abortion is homicide. Homicide and murder are not equivalent terms. Educate yourself before posting again
'Murder in the first degree' is legal parlance. As of this post, your calims are not truthful or accurate.Abortion is not a choice,but it is a murder of the first degree.
Abortion is homicide. Homicide and murder are not equivalent terms. Educate yourself before posting again