The 30 year old co ed is past President of Students for Reproductive justice.

[tyroneweaver]

In other words, she is lying about not being able to get birth control.

I lived in a ward that had 3 sons of Joseph F Smith.

Calvin, Sam, Royal,

All 3 bordered the farm we own out on redwood road in Bennion.

 

[Listening]

She's a ringer. Just another sham. Why do the Sheople buy into this stuff all the time? It's just a concocted distraction. These Social issues are not real problems. They're just being used to distract the Sheople. We have very serious problems in this country and this silly issue isn't one of them. It's not a Government issue. It's a private issue. The Government should not be involved with Contraception or Abortions. No one should be forced to fund either one. They really are private mattters. Time to get the Government out of these issues.

I dont see this as a social issue. It's an entitlement/big government issue. This woman wants the government to pay for her bc. Doesnt matter whether its bc or some other topic, it's not social its fiscal.

She wants a company not discriminate againsts it female employees. Yeah, the outrage.

She gave poorly worded testimony that made her sound like she was banging the entire school and half of St. Johns.

She's not going to make a very good lawyer.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

i think you should have too? where did i ever state this?
I can't afford Healthcare, i just can't,but i am conflicted with a national healthcare system.
I'm not making Birth control an issue, EVERYONE is making it an issue. Just by you being in here you are making it an issue.

Did you suddenly rescind your support of Obamacare? My issue is you telling me that I need to buy contraceptives.

My position on the healthcare law has always been on the fence. I can see both sides of the issue. I am neither for or against it.

I am not telling you to buy anything. Just because something is covered doesn't mean you have to buy it.

Tell me something, what planet have you been living on the last few years. Obamacare mandates that everyone in the United States purchase insurance. The HHS issued a rule last month that requires all insurance policies to cover contraception as part of the mandatory minimum coverage mandated under Obamacare. Let me repeat that, everyone who buys insurance has to buy a policy that covers contraception, even if they neither want, or need, it, and everyone in this country has to buy insurance.

You just proved categorically that one of three possibilities exist here.

1. You are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed out of the bedroom until you pass a remedial course in politics and current events.
2. You are a lying sack of shit.
3. Some weird combination of the two above choices is the truth.

Want to tell me again that, how did you put it, just because something is covered it doesn't mean I have to buy it?

 

[J.E.D]

No, she wants the Jesuits to pay for students to have sex.

or not discriminate against its females employees or students, while cover other elective drugs. Even ones that are male specific elective drugs.

And they say liberals argue with their emotions, and not facts.

Discriminate? Seriously? Do they pay for male students to get contraception but not female students? If not, how is not buying ot for women too discrimination?

I guess you've never heard of Viagra?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

or not discriminate against its females employees or students, while cover other elective drugs. Even ones that are male specific elective drugs.

And they say liberals argue with their emotions, and not facts.

Discriminate? Seriously? Do they pay for male students to get contraception but not female students? If not, how is not buying ot for women too discrimination?

I guess you've never heard of Viagra?

I guess you never heard of actually proving that student health care policies cover Viagra.

 

[J.E.D]

Did you suddenly rescind your support of Obamacare? My issue is you telling me that I need to buy contraceptives.

My position on the healthcare law has always been on the fence. I can see both sides of the issue. I am neither for or against it.

I am not telling you to buy anything. Just because something is covered doesn't mean you have to buy it.

Tell me something, what planet have you been living on the last few years. Obamacare mandates that everyone in the United States purchase insurance. The HHS issued a rule last month that requires all insurance policies to cover contraception as part of the mandatory minimum coverage mandated under Obamacare. Let me repeat that, everyone who buys insurance has to buy a policy that covers contraception, even if they neither want, or need, it, and everyone in this country has to buy insurance.

You just proved categorically that one of three possibilities exist here.

1. You are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed out of the bedroom until you pass a remedial course in politics and current events.
2. You are a lying sack of shit.
3. Some weird combination of the two above choices is the truth.

Want to tell me again that, how did you put it, just because something is covered it doesn't mean I have to buy it?

Let me guess: you only started whining about this after Republicans recently brought it up in their desperate attempt at changing the subject once it became clear that not only the economy is doing well enough for Americans to take notice; but also that Americans give Obama credit for the improved economy. So, let me ask you something. Where were you 12 years ago when NH mandated the same thing? Where have you been since 28 states, including then Gov Mike Huckabee's Arkansas, put the same policy in place?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

My position on the healthcare law has always been on the fence. I can see both sides of the issue. I am neither for or against it.

I am not telling you to buy anything. Just because something is covered doesn't mean you have to buy it.

Tell me something, what planet have you been living on the last few years. Obamacare mandates that everyone in the United States purchase insurance. The HHS issued a rule last month that requires all insurance policies to cover contraception as part of the mandatory minimum coverage mandated under Obamacare. Let me repeat that, everyone who buys insurance has to buy a policy that covers contraception, even if they neither want, or need, it, and everyone in this country has to buy insurance.

You just proved categorically that one of three possibilities exist here.

1. You are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed out of the bedroom until you pass a remedial course in politics and current events.
2. You are a lying sack of shit.
3. Some weird combination of the two above choices is the truth.

Want to tell me again that, how did you put it, just because something is covered it doesn't mean I have to buy it?

Let me guess: you only started whining about this after Republicans recently brought it up in their desperate attempt at changing the subject once it became clear that not only the economy is doing well enough for Americans to take notice; but also that Americans give Obama credit for the improved economy. So, let me ask you something. Where were you 12 years ago when NH mandated the same thing? Where have you been since 28 states, including then Gov Mike Huckabee's Arkansas, put the same policy in place?

Seriously?

I have attacked Obamacare since the first week on this board, I am not a Republican, the economy sucks right now, Americans generally blame Obama for the fact that none of them have a job, and there is not a single state that has anything that approaches what the HHS mandate requires.

If you actually want to debate anything with me I suggest you at least learn what the truth is, especially if you intend to lie.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

My position on the healthcare law has always been on the fence. I can see both sides of the issue. I am neither for or against it.

I am not telling you to buy anything. Just because something is covered doesn't mean you have to buy it.

Tell me something, what planet have you been living on the last few years. Obamacare mandates that everyone in the United States purchase insurance. The HHS issued a rule last month that requires all insurance policies to cover contraception as part of the mandatory minimum coverage mandated under Obamacare. Let me repeat that, everyone who buys insurance has to buy a policy that covers contraception, even if they neither want, or need, it, and everyone in this country has to buy insurance.

You just proved categorically that one of three possibilities exist here.

1. You are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed out of the bedroom until you pass a remedial course in politics and current events.
2. You are a lying sack of shit.
3. Some weird combination of the two above choices is the truth.

Want to tell me again that, how did you put it, just because something is covered it doesn't mean I have to buy it?

Read this slowly...Just because its on there, doesnt mean you have to buy it...Its just there. You are not mandated to buy it, its just mandated to be covered. There is a difference.

Its sad you cant seem to understand the difference.

Read this even slower.

In August 2011, the Department of Health and Human Services issued an interim final rule that will require most health insurance plans to cover preventive services for women including recommended contraceptive services without charging a co-pay, co-insurance or a deductible. The rule allows certain non-profit religious employers that offer insurance to their employees the choice of whether or not to cover contraceptive services. Today the department is announcing that the final rule on preventive health services will ensure that women with health insurance coverage will have access to the full range of the Institute of Medicine’s recommended preventive services, including all FDA -approved forms of contraception. Women will not have to forego these services because of expensive co-pays or deductibles, or because an insurance plan doesn’t include contraceptive services. This rule is consistent with the laws in a majority of states which already require contraception coverage in health plans, and includes the exemption in the interim final rule allowing certain religious organizations not to provide contraception coverage. Beginning August 1, 2012, most new and renewed health plans will be required to cover these services without cost sharing for women across the country.

A statement by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

This is part of the minimum coverage available, which is mandated by Obamacare. Under federal law it is illegal to sell a policy that does not cover contraception, period. Feel free to tell yourself you do not have to buy the coverage just because it exists if it makes you feel better, but only idiots actually believe that.

 

[J.E.D]

Tell me something, what planet have you been living on the last few years. Obamacare mandates that everyone in the United States purchase insurance. The HHS issued a rule last month that requires all insurance policies to cover contraception as part of the mandatory minimum coverage mandated under Obamacare. Let me repeat that, everyone who buys insurance has to buy a policy that covers contraception, even if they neither want, or need, it, and everyone in this country has to buy insurance.

You just proved categorically that one of three possibilities exist here.

1. You are so ignorant you shouldn't be allowed out of the bedroom until you pass a remedial course in politics and current events.
2. You are a lying sack of shit.
3. Some weird combination of the two above choices is the truth.

Want to tell me again that, how did you put it, just because something is covered it doesn't mean I have to buy it?

Let me guess: you only started whining about this after Republicans recently brought it up in their desperate attempt at changing the subject once it became clear that not only the economy is doing well enough for Americans to take notice; but also that Americans give Obama credit for the improved economy. So, let me ask you something. Where were you 12 years ago when NH mandated the same thing? Where have you been since 28 states, including then Gov Mike Huckabee's Arkansas, put the same policy in place?

Seriously?

I have attacked Obamacare since the first week on this board, I am not a Republican, the economy sucks right now, Americans generally blame Obama for the fact that none of them have a job, and there is not a single state that has anything that approaches what the HHS mandate requires.

If you actually want to debate anything with me I suggest you at least learn what the truth is, especially if you intend to lie.

Lying? Try again, champ. I suggest you talk to Republican Gov Pataki

Catholics

But many Catholic institutions are already operating in states that require contraceptive coverage, such as New York and California. Such laws are on the books in 28 states, and only eight of them exempt Catholic hospitals and universities. Nowhere has the Catholic Church shut down in response.

Time and again, when these laws were being considered, Catholic bishops and their sympathizers made the same sort of hysterical arguments we’re hearing today. “We will not be daunted by the abortion and contraception extremists whose aggressive agenda includes putting the Catholic Church out of the business of providing health care and social services throughout the state of New York,” Cardinal Edward M. Egan said at an Albany press conference in 2002, when New York was considering the Women’s Health and Wellness Act.

Nevertheless, the law passed—it was signed by Republican Gov. George Pataki—with exactly the same sort of exemptions we’re now seeing at the federal level. There’s a conscience clause that applies to Catholic churches, grade schools, and parishes, but not institutions that serve the broader community, such as universities and hospitals. The church sued, but New York’s State Court of Appeals ruled against it; in 2007, the Supreme Court let the ruling stand. Likewise, California’s Supreme Court upheld that state’s version of the mandate.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let me guess: you only started whining about this after Republicans recently brought it up in their desperate attempt at changing the subject once it became clear that not only the economy is doing well enough for Americans to take notice; but also that Americans give Obama credit for the improved economy. So, let me ask you something. Where were you 12 years ago when NH mandated the same thing? Where have you been since 28 states, including then Gov Mike Huckabee's Arkansas, put the same policy in place?

Seriously?

I have attacked Obamacare since the first week on this board, I am not a Republican, the economy sucks right now, Americans generally blame Obama for the fact that none of them have a job, and there is not a single state that has anything that approaches what the HHS mandate requires.

If you actually want to debate anything with me I suggest you at least learn what the truth is, especially if you intend to lie.

Lying? Try again, champ. I suggest you talk to Republican Gov Pataki

Catholics

But many Catholic institutions are already operating in states that require contraceptive coverage, such as New York and California. Such laws are on the books in 28 states, and only eight of them exempt Catholic hospitals and universities. Nowhere has the Catholic Church shut down in response.

Time and again, when these laws were being considered, Catholic bishops and their sympathizers made the same sort of hysterical arguments we’re hearing today. “We will not be daunted by the abortion and contraception extremists whose aggressive agenda includes putting the Catholic Church out of the business of providing health care and social services throughout the state of New York,” Cardinal Edward M. Egan said at an Albany press conference in 2002, when New York was considering the Women’s Health and Wellness Act.

Nevertheless, the law passed—it was signed by Republican Gov. George Pataki—with exactly the same sort of exemptions we’re now seeing at the federal level. There’s a conscience clause that applies to Catholic churches, grade schools, and parishes, but not institutions that serve the broader community, such as universities and hospitals. The church sued, but New York’s State Court of Appeals ruled against it; in 2007, the Supreme Court let the ruling stand. Likewise, California’s Supreme Court upheld that state’s version of the mandate.

I see you prefer lying, and assume that, because you are to lazy to do basic research, that means everyone else is just as lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d59UTGDZ6qI&]Matthews Scolds Heilemann For Regurgitating Incorrect WH Talking Pts On Catholic Contraception Issue - YouTube[/ame]

 

[J.E.D]

Seriously?

I have attacked Obamacare since the first week on this board, I am not a Republican, the economy sucks right now, Americans generally blame Obama for the fact that none of them have a job, and there is not a single state that has anything that approaches what the HHS mandate requires.

If you actually want to debate anything with me I suggest you at least learn what the truth is, especially if you intend to lie.

Lying? Try again, champ. I suggest you talk to Republican Gov Pataki

Catholics

But many Catholic institutions are already operating in states that require contraceptive coverage, such as New York and California. Such laws are on the books in 28 states, and only eight of them exempt Catholic hospitals and universities. Nowhere has the Catholic Church shut down in response.

Time and again, when these laws were being considered, Catholic bishops and their sympathizers made the same sort of hysterical arguments we’re hearing today. “We will not be daunted by the abortion and contraception extremists whose aggressive agenda includes putting the Catholic Church out of the business of providing health care and social services throughout the state of New York,” Cardinal Edward M. Egan said at an Albany press conference in 2002, when New York was considering the Women’s Health and Wellness Act.

Nevertheless, the law passed—it was signed by Republican Gov. George Pataki—with exactly the same sort of exemptions we’re now seeing at the federal level. There’s a conscience clause that applies to Catholic churches, grade schools, and parishes, but not institutions that serve the broader community, such as universities and hospitals. The church sued, but New York’s State Court of Appeals ruled against it; in 2007, the Supreme Court let the ruling stand. Likewise, California’s Supreme Court upheld that state’s version of the mandate.

I see you prefer lying, and assume that, because you are to lazy to do basic research, that means everyone else is just as lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d59UTGDZ6qI&]Matthews Scolds Heilemann For Regurgitating Incorrect WH Talking Pts On Catholic Contraception Issue - YouTube[/ame]

Sorry, I'm not seeing how your video proves that Republican Govs didn't put the same mandate in place. I'm not seeing how it disputes the fact that 28 states already have the same mandate in place. Sorry, pal; you're going to have to do a little better than Chris Matthews.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Lying? Try again, champ. I suggest you talk to Republican Gov Pataki

I see you prefer lying, and assume that, because you are to lazy to do basic research, that means everyone else is just as lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d59UTGDZ6qI&"]Matthews Scolds Heilemann For Regurgitating Incorrect WH Talking Pts On Catholic Contraception Issue - YouTube[/ame]

Sorry, I'm not seeing how your video proves that Republican Govs didn't put the same mandate in place. I'm not seeing how it disputes the fact that 28 states already have the same mandate in place. Sorry, pal; you're going to have to do a little better than Chris Matthews.

You don't see how Chris Mathews taking the time to explain the difference between a state plan that allows co pays, wide conscious exemptions, and can be bypassed by a group electing to self insure under federal law is any different than the federal government telling those same groups that they are no longer religious and that self insurance no longer allows them to bypass stupid rules? Do you also have trouble telling the difference between up and down?

 

[frazzledgear]

or not discriminate against its females employees or students, while cover other elective drugs. Even ones that are male specific elective drugs.

And they say liberals argue with their emotions, and not facts.

Discriminate? Seriously? Do they pay for male students to get contraception but not female students? If not, how is not buying ot for women too discrimination?

I guess you've never heard of Viagra?

What is with morons trying to compare Viagra with birth control? Viagra is a medication used to treat an impaired body function that is not working normally whether the cause of impairment is due to disease, medications or combination of factors. Why would it not be covered when restoring someone to normal function as much as possible is the point of health care? Just because it is sex doesn't mean that is a body function we won't restore even though it is treatable! It would be like saying since cataracts occur with age, it is suddenly "normal and expected" to have an impaired visual function and the individual should expect to forfeit his vision for the rest of his life even though it is treatable! Restoring impaired body functions is part of improving the quality of life and the real purpose of health care.

There is no impairment being treated with birth control pills. Fertility is not a malfunction and in fact birth control pills cause a derangement in a normal bodily function and make it malfunction -the exact opposite. Just because a perfectly normal person wants to have more carefree sex doesn't EVER shift the burden to ME to make it happen.

 

[J.E.D]

I see you prefer lying, and assume that, because you are to lazy to do basic research, that means everyone else is just as lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong.

Matthews Scolds Heilemann For Regurgitating Incorrect WH Talking Pts On Catholic Contraception Issue - YouTube

Sorry, I'm not seeing how your video proves that Republican Govs didn't put the same mandate in place. I'm not seeing how it disputes the fact that 28 states already have the same mandate in place. Sorry, pal; you're going to have to do a little better than Chris Matthews.

You don't see how Chris Mathews taking the time to explain the difference between a state plan that allows co pays, wide conscious exemptions, and can be bypassed by a group electing to self insure under federal law is any different than the federal government telling those same groups that they are no longer religious and that self insurance no longer allows them to bypass stupid rules? Do you also have trouble telling the difference between up and down?

Sorry, your little video didn't do that. Try again. Get back to me when Republican Govs haven't mandated the same fucking law.

 

[J.E.D]

Discriminate? Seriously? Do they pay for male students to get contraception but not female students? If not, how is not buying ot for women too discrimination?

I guess you've never heard of Viagra?

What is with morons trying to compare Viagra with birth control? Viagra is a medication used to treat an impaired body function that is not working normally whether the cause of impairment is due to disease, medications or combination of factors. Why would it not be covered when restoring someone to normal function as much as possible is the point of health care? Just because it is sex doesn't mean that is a body function we won't restore even though it is treatable! It would be like saying since cataracts occur with age, it is suddenly "normal and expected" to have an impaired visual function and the individual should expect to forfeit his vision for the rest of his life even though it is treatable! Restoring impaired body functions is part of improving the quality of life and the real purpose of health care.

There is no impairment being treated with birth control pills. Fertility is not a malfunction and in fact birth control pills cause a derangement in a normal bodily function and make it malfunction -the exact opposite. Just because a perfectly normal person wants to have more carefree sex doesn't EVER shift the burden to ME to make it happen.

What is it with morons not knowing that in order for birth control pills to work, they have to be taken every day, whether the female plans on having sex or not. Viagra is taken only when the desire to have sex arises. It's primary function is for sex. Unlike Viagra, Birth control pills are a daily dose that have to be refilled every month in order to prevent pregnancy; but they can also be used - like in the case that Ms. Fluke cited - to treat medical conditions:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd hearing.pdf

In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire
consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome
and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.
Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not
intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans,
it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or
Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be
made for such medical needs.

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance
representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these
prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend,
and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover
her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was
denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to
prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much
more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100
out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop
taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message
from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency
room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up
thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the
size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove
her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony,
she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night
sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the
removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old.

 

[Trajan]

That is not the issue. The issue is compliance with the law of the land.

oh, and fyi I don't want friends.

the law says a religious institution must provide such? can you quote that law for me please?

I am not going to agree with the premise that Georgetown University is a religious institution.

I see, so you don't have an answer becasue there is no law, so you'll just just vaporize their charter since 1789.....the left has always had a penchant for revising history, but alas......



Georgetown University is one of the world’s leading academic and research institutions, offering a unique educational experience that prepares the next generation of global citizens to lead and make a difference in the world. We are a vibrant community of exceptional students, faculty, alumni and professionals dedicated to real-world applications of our research, scholarship, faith and service.

Established in 1789, Georgetown is the nation’s oldest Catholic and Jesuit university. Drawing upon this legacy, we provide students with a world-class learning experience focused on educating the whole person through exposure to different faiths, cultures and beliefs. With our Jesuit values and location in Washington, D.C., Georgetown offers students a distinct opportunity to learn, experience and understand more about the world.

more at
About - Georgetown University

 

[kaz]

And they say liberals argue with their emotions, and not facts.

You do. Personally I oppose health insurance paying for any routine or elective treatment. People should use health insurance like other insurance, to protect themselves from catastrophic events. That we use insurance to pay for routine exams is the reason we're in the spiraling cost shit hole we're in. No one asks about the cost of treatment until after it's performed. However, let's look at the specific case.

The Catholic church supports sex only for procreation.

They pay for treatment for men to get a hard on. And procreate.

They don't pay for contraception, which prevents procreation.

Only a complete idiot...or a liberal...wouldn't get that. Those groups unfortunately are not only not mutually exclusive, but they massively overlap.

Now, I support sex for pleasure. I'm in my 40s, want no more kids, and I'm shooting blanks. But here's the rub. It's not my job to tell Catholics what to do with the power of government guns. And it's not your's either, tootsie.

 

[kaz]

I see you prefer lying, and assume that, because you are to lazy to do basic research, that means everyone else is just as lazy.

Guess what, you are wrong.

Matthews Scolds Heilemann For Regurgitating Incorrect WH Talking Pts On Catholic Contraception Issue - YouTube

In fairness, Josef is so stupid he probably believes it. To be a lie, he would have to actually grasp what he's saying isn't true. I seriously doubt he grasps it.

 

[kaz]

What is with morons trying to compare Viagra with birth control? Viagra is a medication used to treat an impaired body function that is not working normally whether the cause of impairment is due to disease, medications or combination of factors. Why would it not be covered when restoring someone to normal function as much as possible is the point of health care?

That's true, but in my view it's not the point. The point is who decides. In a free market, insurers offer various policies and consumers choose. In liberalland, our great leader Obama chooses and forces us all to pay for it with the power of government guns. That is the issue, not what should be covered.

 

[theHawk]

The poor poor co ed turns out to be a serious activist.

So Rush was wrong. She isn't a slut, she's was just the President of sluts on campus.