The 2020 Election: Is Common Sense Making a Comeback?

[Foxfyre]

LOL, you poor kid.

Let's start here lil guy, surely we can agree on this "definition" of the word, right?

"
truth
[tro͞oTH]
veracity · truthfulness · verity · sincerity · candor · honesty · genuineness · gospel · gospel truth · accuracy · correctness · rightness · validity · factualness · factuality ·
authenticity · dinkum oil
antonyms:
dishonesty · falsity

• 
  
  
  • (the truth)
    that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
    "tell me the truth" ·
    the fact of the matter · what actually/really happened · the case · so · gospel · gospel truth · God's truth · the honest truth · fact(s) · reality · real life · actuality
    antonyms:
    lies · fiction
  • a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
    "the emergence of scientific truths"

You dumb hack, you are confusing truth with fact, so apparently you don't even know how to use the word properly. Religious people believe the deities they worship are 'truth'. Bigots believe the color of one's skin makes them a superior human as being 'truth'. People who are against vaccination believe they hold the 'truth'. In reality, Truth is mostly subjective, and only objective when directly based on factual information.

Truth itself is never subjective. Truth is absolute. What is subjective is what we sometimes consider to be the truth.

Example: Is a brain fart or simple typo or misspeak or remembering a fact wrong a lie? To promote such as truth when it isn't would be a lie. But is inadvertently saying it wrote or remembering it wrong a lie? Some people insist that a misspeak or hyperbole or getting a fact wrong is a blatant lie and makes of a person a liar. (They do that to to the President all the time, but is that consistent? Would they consider it an intentional lie if somebody they support did the same? Or would they make allowances?)

In such cases truth is not an absolute but exists purely in the eye of the beholder.

Truth is absolute

Only the highest logic ability can know

Common sense and logic are the same

The higher that ability the better

The highest ability of that are prophets and at that level truth becomes absolute

Trump has the highest logic ability supporters

Logic and reason can betray us, however, and cause to believe what appears to be true when in fact it is not.

But I'll agree that logic and reason are indispensable when it comes to separating truth from fiction.

And I will agree that Trump supporters do utilize logic and reason to a high degree when it comes to assessing the Trump presidency. They pretty much eskew personal distaste, biases, prejudices as well as subjective criteria in evaluating the President's job performance and look to the actual results being produced.

And that is why they will be voting for him again in 2020.

The highest logic ability cannot betrayed ..... That ability is foolproof and only that ability knows what proves what

That ability knows what is a fact

Only if the data is wrong or not enough can the highest logic ability can be wrong

With all the data the highest logic ability is foolproof and always the most correct

No. Even applying the best logic and reason, what seems to be is sometimes interpreted wrongly. I'll give you that it usually produces the most correct conclusions though. But I won't give you foolproof. Things are not always as the seem even to the most intelligent, reasoanble, and logical among us. That is one of the cardinal facts drilled into those of us who have been trained as investigators whether in journalism or law enforcement or other analytics.

Those operating out of their contempt, hatred, prejudices, distaste for the President for instance, are absolutely convinced that the assigned talking points of interpretation of what he says and/or does is the way it was/is. Those of us who apply logic and reason to context as well as the actual wording can see that their interpretations are flawed or outright lies. Which in turn does not always mean we have it right either. But I think we get a lot closer to the truth.

Recently I was listening to the anti-Trump talking heads on TV eviscerating the President for getting too 'cozy' with Putin. And a lot of them were using a brief clip of Putin and Trump walking away from the camera and at one point Trump put his hand on Putin's back. "Too cozy" was their interpretation.

But then I was listening to a professional body language expert analyzing that very scene. And she describes that particular action--an alpha male putting his hand on the back of another--as an unconscious power move. An indication of being in control and not at a disadvantage to the other. It is not an act of friendship or affection.

So which is correct? Or neither is correct? No way to know for certain, so the subjective opinions will continue to be expressed as 'truth' when in fact it may or may not be truth.

 

[tycho1572]

I have no doubt about Trump winning a second term he unquestionably earned. Despite the nonsense we hear from democrats, this country is now doing much better.

 

[justoffal]

I know this will just get blown off and probably provoke attacks on me, but I am NOT asking anybody to agree with the OP, but simply to comment on why you will vote for who you think you'll vote for come November 2020. And why.

If we could not make this one more thread to insult each other and/or recite assigned partisan rhetoric and talking points and catch phrases, it would be really appreciated.

For me, President Trump IS the common sense candidate. He lays out common sense goals and objectives whether or not those are politically expedient. And he has done a tremendous job of accomplishing many of those goals and objectives so far in the short 2-1/2 years he has had to do that. And he has done it in the most hostile environment and against the most vicious opposition against a President that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. (And my lifetime is probably considerably longer than most of yours.)

I didn't vote for him because he was proper or elegant or politically correct or shared my ideological perspective. I certainly did not vote for him as a paragon of virtue or role model for children and grandchildren. I see him as a flawed person but a decent person who has sinned as we all have, and also a person who happens to have great ability and a noble sense of purpose.

I voted for him because he offered a vision that I could believe in, and laid out specific objectives to accomplish that vision that I could mostly agree with. Yes he has had to abandon Plan A and go on to Plan B or C or D or whatever now and then. Yes he has had misspeaks and missteps along the way. Sometimes I think he makes the wrong choice. All Presidents do from time to time. But overall, his job performance scores very well in accomplishing what he said he intended to do.

And because of that, unless something significantly changes, I fully plan to vote for him again next year.

I don't think even Trump realized that the entire progressive left would go off the deep end and actually wage what amounts to a civil war.... Still waging and threatening to destroy it all if they don't get their way.
We are going to have to fight. No choice.

Even if Trump is legally reelected they will not accept it. The day after he is reelected there will be bloodshed....no question about it. They will go totally insane.

Jo

 

[Foxfyre]

I know this will just get blown off and probably provoke attacks on me, but I am NOT asking anybody to agree with the OP, but simply to comment on why you will vote for who you think you'll vote for come November 2020. And why.

If we could not make this one more thread to insult each other and/or recite assigned partisan rhetoric and talking points and catch phrases, it would be really appreciated.

For me, President Trump IS the common sense candidate. He lays out common sense goals and objectives whether or not those are politically expedient. And he has done a tremendous job of accomplishing many of those goals and objectives so far in the short 2-1/2 years he has had to do that. And he has done it in the most hostile environment and against the most vicious opposition against a President that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. (And my lifetime is probably considerably longer than most of yours.)

I didn't vote for him because he was proper or elegant or politically correct or shared my ideological perspective. I certainly did not vote for him as a paragon of virtue or role model for children and grandchildren. I see him as a flawed person but a decent person who has sinned as we all have, and also a person who happens to have great ability and a noble sense of purpose.

I voted for him because he offered a vision that I could believe in, and laid out specific objectives to accomplish that vision that I could mostly agree with. Yes he has had to abandon Plan A and go on to Plan B or C or D or whatever now and then. Yes he has had misspeaks and missteps along the way. Sometimes I think he makes the wrong choice. All Presidents do from time to time. But overall, his job performance scores very well in accomplishing what he said he intended to do.

And because of that, unless something significantly changes, I fully plan to vote for him again next year.

I don't think even Trump realized that the entire progressive left would go off the deep end and actually wage what amounts to a civil war.... Still waging and threatening to destroy it all if they don't get their way.
We are going to have to fight. No choice.

Even if Trump is legally reelected they will not accept it. The day after he is reelected there will be bloodshed....no question about it. They will go totally insane.

Jo

I agree President Trump underestimated how dishonest, partisan, ideologically fanatical, and completely ruthless and hateful the radical left, including most of the MSM, could be. And he absolutely underestimated how partisan and dangerous the deep state entrenched in the federal government would be. Frankly so did most or all of us. We expected the usual stupid and self-serving often dishonest sniping that we saw in the Reagan and Bush 41 and 43 administrations. But we didn't expect the MSM to completely abandon all concept of ethical journalism in their efforts to destroy President Trump. We knew there was a deep state--we had seen it with Lois Lerner in the IRS etc., but didn't see it as the prevalent and pervasive threat and danger to the law and government that it turned out to be.

A good number of the bad actors have now been exposed and expelled, but there are no doubt many still embedded within the system. I hope the IG's investigation and John Durham's investigation will ferret more of them out. But if we are going to help President Trump drain that swamp, we need to give him sufficient time to do so.

 

[imawhosure]

I know this will just get blown off and probably provoke attacks on me, but I am NOT asking anybody to agree with the OP, but simply to comment on why you will vote for who you think you'll vote for come November 2020. And why.

If we could not make this one more thread to insult each other and/or recite assigned partisan rhetoric and talking points and catch phrases, it would be really appreciated.

For me, President Trump IS the common sense candidate. He lays out common sense goals and objectives whether or not those are politically expedient. And he has done a tremendous job of accomplishing many of those goals and objectives so far in the short 2-1/2 years he has had to do that. And he has done it in the most hostile environment and against the most vicious opposition against a President that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. (And my lifetime is probably considerably longer than most of yours.)

I didn't vote for him because he was proper or elegant or politically correct or shared my ideological perspective. I certainly did not vote for him as a paragon of virtue or role model for children and grandchildren. I see him as a flawed person but a decent person has sinned as we all have, and a person who happens to have great ability and a noble sense of purpose.

I voted for him because he offered a vision that I could believe in, and laid out specific objectives to accomplish that vision that I could mostly agree with. Yes he has had to abandon Plan A and go on to Plan B or C or D or whatever now and then. Yes he has had misspeaks and missteps along the way. Sometimes I think he makes the wrong choice. All Presidents do from time to time. But overall, his job performance scores very well in accomplishing what he said he intended to do.

And because of that, unless something significantly changes, I fully plan to vote for him again next year.

Well said.

Trump will get my vote despite the backing of the GOP who show about as much common sense or common good for the American Citizen as their evenly corrupted counterparts in the DFL.

I do not identify as Republican myself though I do register Republican so that I can participate in our state primary elections. Unaffiliated voters can't vote in our primaries.

And I agree that the GOP is lousy with message and have been pretty darn feckless in getting things done. And with a few exceptions, most are solid members of the permanent political class whose number one priority is increasing their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth and otherwise are pretty feckless in getting things done. The only thing they have going for them is the constituency that they represent and therefore they throw different kinds of bones to keep that constituency quiet and complacent and forking over their campaign contributions and votes than what the Democrats throw at their constituents to accomplish the same thing.

I do require common sense in anybody I vote for.

I will most likely be voting for any Republican I can stomach come 2020 if for some reason President Trump is not the nominee. But if President Trump is the nominee, I will be voting for him because he has earned my vote rather than for any other reason. He IS the common sense candidate.

I will vote for President Trump.

Why?

1. The economy.

2. Both sides aren't happy with him, so that makes it wonderful.

3. The Democrats are to far Left, period. If they were their fathers Democrats, I would consider voting for them.

4. Trump hasn't hurt anyone, but the ruling class. He has through policy, allowed more jobs to be created that America needs.

5. The Left is trying to BRIBE everyone, and anyone. All Trump is doing, is offering a job if you want one, they will be available.

6. He wants originalists on the court. We got to where we are because of our constitution. Allowing a re-write would be ludicrous.

7. The Left insists on breaking the laws of the land, instead of changing them. That is no way to run a civil society. If they can have sanctuary cities and states, why can't we all just decide we don't want to pay taxes? To insist their breaking of federal law is more noble than my example, is in the eye of the beholder. Either follow the law, change the law, or don't bitch or punish us when we follow suit and cut off your money train.

8. Throughout human history, wars have happened constantly. This has happened before the United States even came into existence. It is a human condition that has not changed, only the technology to wage said wars has changed. The Left does NOT understand this! Trump knows this is true, and will keep crazies in check.

9. The Left pulled a Nixon and used the massive power of the government to subvert a dually elected President. Just like the Republicans took a bath after Nixon, the Left deserves to take a bath this time around.

10. The Left has no rudder steering their ship. They are fighting amongst themselves about how far into Socialism we should go. A supposed moderate of the Left could get elected, only to be pushed over the edge by the more radical elements in the party. You could end up with a total different governance philosophy, then that which you voted for!

 

[GreenAndBlue]

You dumb hack, you are confusing truth with fact, so apparently you don't even know how to use the word properly. Religious people believe the deities they worship are 'truth'. Bigots believe the color of one's skin makes them a superior human as being 'truth'. People who are against vaccination believe they hold the 'truth'. In reality, Truth is mostly subjective, and only objective when directly based on factual information.

Truth itself is never subjective. Truth is absolute. What is subjective is what we sometimes consider to be the truth.

Example: Is a brain fart or simple typo or misspeak or remembering a fact wrong a lie? To promote such as truth when it isn't would be a lie. But is inadvertently saying it wrote or remembering it wrong a lie? Some people insist that a misspeak or hyperbole or getting a fact wrong is a blatant lie and makes of a person a liar. (They do that to to the President all the time, but is that consistent? Would they consider it an intentional lie if somebody they support did the same? Or would they make allowances?)

In such cases truth is not an absolute but exists purely in the eye of the beholder.

Truth is absolute

Only the highest logic ability can know

Common sense and logic are the same

The higher that ability the better

The highest ability of that are prophets and at that level truth becomes absolute

Trump has the highest logic ability supporters

Logic and reason can betray us, however, and cause to believe what appears to be true when in fact it is not.

But I'll agree that logic and reason are indispensable when it comes to separating truth from fiction.

And I will agree that Trump supporters do utilize logic and reason to a high degree when it comes to assessing the Trump presidency. They pretty much eskew personal distaste, biases, prejudices as well as subjective criteria in evaluating the President's job performance and look to the actual results being produced.

And that is why they will be voting for him again in 2020.

The highest logic ability cannot betrayed ..... That ability is foolproof and only that ability knows what proves what

That ability knows what is a fact

Only if the data is wrong or not enough can the highest logic ability can be wrong

With all the data the highest logic ability is foolproof and always the most correct

No. Even applying the best logic and reason, what seems to be is sometimes interpreted wrongly. I'll give you that it usually produces the most correct conclusions though. But I won't give you foolproof. Things are not always as the seem even to the most intelligent, reasoanble, and logical among us. That is one of the cardinal facts drilled into those of us who have been trained as investigators whether in journalism or law enforcement or other analytics.

Those operating out of their contempt, hatred, prejudices, distaste for the President for instance, are absolutely convinced that the assigned talking points of interpretation of what he says and/or does is the way it was/is. Those of us who apply logic and reason to context as well as the actual wording can see that their interpretations are flawed or outright lies. Which in turn does not always mean we have it right either. But I think we get a lot closer to the truth.

Recently I was listening to the anti-Trump talking heads on TV eviscerating the President for getting too 'cozy' with Putin. And a lot of them were using a brief clip of Putin and Trump walking away from the camera and at one point Trump put his hand on Putin's back. "Too cozy" was their interpretation.

But then I was listening to a professional body language expert analyzing that very scene. And she describes that particular action--an alpha male putting his hand on the back of another--as an unconscious power move. An indication of being in control and not at a disadvantage to the other. It is not an act of friendship or affection.

So which is correct? Or neither is correct? No way to know for certain, so the subjective opinions will continue to be expressed as 'truth' when in fact it may or may not be truth.

Wrong

Interpreting wrong depends on the level of logic ability The higher the logic ability the less wrong. And the highest would be prophets


Same data to interpret. The difference is errors will be based on the level of logic ability

So the best logic always finds the best truths

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Yes some logic to understand how eye sight works in the same way

Perfect eyesight cannot interpret wrong

The lower levels of eyesight will interpret wrong based on how low their eyesight is

 

[francoHFW]

Robert Curry raised an interesting question in this short essay this week.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/03/is-common-sense-making-a-comeback/

He observed the glaring lack of common sense in the Democrat debates with Julian Castro advocating abortion rights for transgender women taking the top prize for the proposal demonstrating the least common sense. But as he sadly but accurately pointed out, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is unlikely to do so by promoting a common sense agenda, goals, objectives etc. (Personal note: common sense Democrats are being booed off stages almost everywhere.)

That is a sad commentary on our current political environment though probably many Democrats will not agree with it. But for conservatives, Curry is just stating the obvious and preaching to the choir.

The more interesting point he raised is that President Trump was/is clearly the common sense candidate. I concur with that. He isn't partisan. He is no ideologue. He can't be described as a conservative, libertarian, or right winger. But his vision, his goals, his objectives are all solidly rooted in common sense. What the problem actually is. What needs to happen to solve it.

But the question is, did America elect him mostly because he offered common sense that we were hungry for? Or did people vote mostly against what they saw as blatant obviousness of Clinton dishonesty and corruption mixed with lack of vision and promoting an unacceptable status quo?

If the vote was more against Hillary than for Trump, what will that bode for the 2020 election? Is there sufficient appreciation for what the President has accomplished to earn him sufficient votes to win next year? Or has America lost it to the point that they will vote for irrationality instead of common sense?

So where are you at this point?

Will you vote for President Trump because he is the Republican? Or because he is the common sense candidate? Or will you vote against him because he is Donald J. Trump? Or will you vote against him because he is on the Republican ticket? Or will you vote for any Democrat to prevent a Republican win? Or will you vote for somebody else for reasons not enumerated here?

Please explain your vote.

(Multiple choice on the poll and you can change your vote if you change your mind.)

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

 

[Deno]

Robert Curry raised an interesting question in this short essay this week.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/03/is-common-sense-making-a-comeback/

He observed the glaring lack of common sense in the Democrat debates with Julian Castro advocating abortion rights for transgender women taking the top prize for the proposal demonstrating the least common sense. But as he sadly but accurately pointed out, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is unlikely to do so by promoting a common sense agenda, goals, objectives etc. (Personal note: common sense Democrats are being booed off stages almost everywhere.)

That is a sad commentary on our current political environment though probably many Democrats will not agree with it. But for conservatives, Curry is just stating the obvious and preaching to the choir.

The more interesting point he raised is that President Trump was/is clearly the common sense candidate. I concur with that. He isn't partisan. He is no ideologue. He can't be described as a conservative, libertarian, or right winger. But his vision, his goals, his objectives are all solidly rooted in common sense. What the problem actually is. What needs to happen to solve it.

But the question is, did America elect him mostly because he offered common sense that we were hungry for? Or did people vote mostly against what they saw as blatant obviousness of Clinton dishonesty and corruption mixed with lack of vision and promoting an unacceptable status quo?

If the vote was more against Hillary than for Trump, what will that bode for the 2020 election? Is there sufficient appreciation for what the President has accomplished to earn him sufficient votes to win next year? Or has America lost it to the point that they will vote for irrationality instead of common sense?

So where are you at this point?

Will you vote for President Trump because he is the Republican? Or because he is the common sense candidate? Or will you vote against him because he is Donald J. Trump? Or will you vote against him because he is on the Republican ticket? Or will you vote for any Democrat to prevent a Republican win? Or will you vote for somebody else for reasons not enumerated here?

Please explain your vote.

(Multiple choice on the poll and you can change your vote if you change your mind.)

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

You are no doubt an idiot...…..

 

[francoHFW]

Robert Curry raised an interesting question in this short essay this week.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/03/is-common-sense-making-a-comeback/

He observed the glaring lack of common sense in the Democrat debates with Julian Castro advocating abortion rights for transgender women taking the top prize for the proposal demonstrating the least common sense. But as he sadly but accurately pointed out, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is unlikely to do so by promoting a common sense agenda, goals, objectives etc. (Personal note: common sense Democrats are being booed off stages almost everywhere.)

That is a sad commentary on our current political environment though probably many Democrats will not agree with it. But for conservatives, Curry is just stating the obvious and preaching to the choir.

The more interesting point he raised is that President Trump was/is clearly the common sense candidate. I concur with that. He isn't partisan. He is no ideologue. He can't be described as a conservative, libertarian, or right winger. But his vision, his goals, his objectives are all solidly rooted in common sense. What the problem actually is. What needs to happen to solve it.

But the question is, did America elect him mostly because he offered common sense that we were hungry for? Or did people vote mostly against what they saw as blatant obviousness of Clinton dishonesty and corruption mixed with lack of vision and promoting an unacceptable status quo?

If the vote was more against Hillary than for Trump, what will that bode for the 2020 election? Is there sufficient appreciation for what the President has accomplished to earn him sufficient votes to win next year? Or has America lost it to the point that they will vote for irrationality instead of common sense?

So where are you at this point?

Will you vote for President Trump because he is the Republican? Or because he is the common sense candidate? Or will you vote against him because he is Donald J. Trump? Or will you vote against him because he is on the Republican ticket? Or will you vote for any Democrat to prevent a Republican win? Or will you vote for somebody else for reasons not enumerated here?

Please explain your vote.

(Multiple choice on the poll and you can change your vote if you change your mind.)

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

You are no doubt an idiot...…..

Any actual argument, brainwashed functional moron?

 

[Crepitus]

Robert Curry raised an interesting question in this short essay this week.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/03/is-common-sense-making-a-comeback/

He observed the glaring lack of common sense in the Democrat debates with Julian Castro advocating abortion rights for transgender women taking the top prize for the proposal demonstrating the least common sense. But as he sadly but accurately pointed out, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is unlikely to do so by promoting a common sense agenda, goals, objectives etc. (Personal note: common sense Democrats are being booed off stages almost everywhere.)

That is a sad commentary on our current political environment though probably many Democrats will not agree with it. But for conservatives, Curry is just stating the obvious and preaching to the choir.

The more interesting point he raised is that President Trump was/is clearly the common sense candidate. I concur with that. He isn't partisan. He is no ideologue. He can't be described as a conservative, libertarian, or right winger. But his vision, his goals, his objectives are all solidly rooted in common sense. What the problem actually is. What needs to happen to solve it.

But the question is, did America elect him mostly because he offered common sense that we were hungry for? Or did people vote mostly against what they saw as blatant obviousness of Clinton dishonesty and corruption mixed with lack of vision and promoting an unacceptable status quo?

If the vote was more against Hillary than for Trump, what will that bode for the 2020 election? Is there sufficient appreciation for what the President has accomplished to earn him sufficient votes to win next year? Or has America lost it to the point that they will vote for irrationality instead of common sense?

So where are you at this point?

Will you vote for President Trump because he is the Republican? Or because he is the common sense candidate? Or will you vote against him because he is Donald J. Trump? Or will you vote against him because he is on the Republican ticket? Or will you vote for any Democrat to prevent a Republican win? Or will you vote for somebody else for reasons not enumerated here?

Please explain your vote.

(Multiple choice on the poll and you can change your vote if you change your mind.)

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

You are no doubt an idiot...…..

Any actual argument, brainwashed functional moron?

Dude, look who you're talking to.....

 

[Deno]

Robert Curry raised an interesting question in this short essay this week.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/03/is-common-sense-making-a-comeback/

He observed the glaring lack of common sense in the Democrat debates with Julian Castro advocating abortion rights for transgender women taking the top prize for the proposal demonstrating the least common sense. But as he sadly but accurately pointed out, whoever wins the Democrat nomination is unlikely to do so by promoting a common sense agenda, goals, objectives etc. (Personal note: common sense Democrats are being booed off stages almost everywhere.)

That is a sad commentary on our current political environment though probably many Democrats will not agree with it. But for conservatives, Curry is just stating the obvious and preaching to the choir.

The more interesting point he raised is that President Trump was/is clearly the common sense candidate. I concur with that. He isn't partisan. He is no ideologue. He can't be described as a conservative, libertarian, or right winger. But his vision, his goals, his objectives are all solidly rooted in common sense. What the problem actually is. What needs to happen to solve it.

But the question is, did America elect him mostly because he offered common sense that we were hungry for? Or did people vote mostly against what they saw as blatant obviousness of Clinton dishonesty and corruption mixed with lack of vision and promoting an unacceptable status quo?

If the vote was more against Hillary than for Trump, what will that bode for the 2020 election? Is there sufficient appreciation for what the President has accomplished to earn him sufficient votes to win next year? Or has America lost it to the point that they will vote for irrationality instead of common sense?

So where are you at this point?

Will you vote for President Trump because he is the Republican? Or because he is the common sense candidate? Or will you vote against him because he is Donald J. Trump? Or will you vote against him because he is on the Republican ticket? Or will you vote for any Democrat to prevent a Republican win? Or will you vote for somebody else for reasons not enumerated here?

Please explain your vote.

(Multiple choice on the poll and you can change your vote if you change your mind.)

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

You are no doubt an idiot...…..

Any actual argument, brainwashed functional moron?

No argument needed...

It's clear to the sane non Tard zealot you are an idiot....

 

[Deno]

If you think tRump is the "common sense candidate" you might need to look up the definition of "common sense".

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you in the ass.....

You're a Tard....

You support grown men using little girls bathrooms.

You support every perversion known to man.

I could go on and on but I don’t have all week.

Grown man? You are out of your tiny mind. Boys who identify as girls
are about as dangerous as refugees, brainwashed functional moron.... There have been a grand total of 0 problems except in garbage propaganda GOP dupe world....

You are no doubt an idiot...…..

Any actual argument, brainwashed functional moron?

Dude, look who you're talking to.....

Yet another member of the band of idiots......

 

[charwin95]

If the election were held today, you could look at the crowds the candidates are bringing in to their fold to determine the election. All 800 people at a Biden event will vote for Biden. All those thousands of people waiting in line for days to support Trump will vote for Trump.
There ya go.

As I said repeatedly and as you mentioned of those very impressive massive rallies. Trump only garnered 63+ millions votes of the 212 registered voters.

Do you honestly believe that after 4 years those 63+ millions votes increase or decrease? Start with:
1. Hispanic voters.
2. Gay and lesbian communities, + parents and friends.
3. Asian voters.
4. Black voters
5. Most important DECENT Americans that do not put all these lies and corruption.

Trump do not represents most of Americans it’s between you and me.,

Can’t wait for 2020. Remember what happened during last midterm election.

 

[charwin95]

I know this will just get blown off and probably provoke attacks on me, but I am NOT asking anybody to agree with the OP, but simply to comment on why you will vote for who you think you'll vote for come November 2020. And why.

If we could not make this one more thread to insult each other and/or recite assigned partisan rhetoric and talking points and catch phrases, it would be really appreciated.

For me, President Trump IS the common sense candidate. He lays out common sense goals and objectives whether or not those are politically expedient. And he has done a tremendous job of accomplishing many of those goals and objectives so far in the short 2-1/2 years he has had to do that. And he has done it in the most hostile environment and against the most vicious opposition against a President that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. (And my lifetime is probably considerably longer than most of yours.)

I didn't vote for him because he was proper or elegant or politically correct or shared my ideological perspective. I certainly did not vote for him as a paragon of virtue or role model for children and grandchildren. I see him as a flawed person but a decent person who has sinned as we all have, and also a person who happens to have great ability and a noble sense of purpose.

I voted for him because he offered a vision that I could believe in, and laid out specific objectives to accomplish that vision that I could mostly agree with. Yes he has had to abandon Plan A and go on to Plan B or C or D or whatever now and then. Yes he has had misspeaks and missteps along the way. Sometimes I think he makes the wrong choice. All Presidents do from time to time. But overall, his job performance scores very well in accomplishing what he said he intended to do.

And because of that, unless something significantly changes, I fully plan to vote for him again next year.

Simple question.

Is Trump corrupt?

 

[charwin95]

Who's in charge of defining what "common sense" means?

Is it the same person who's in charge of defining what "racism" and "socialism" mean?

Because if it is, holy crap, we're fucked!

And while I'm here, why isn't there a voting option for "It's 16 freaking months out, I don't know yet"?
.

Thomas Payne wrote in "Common Sense", perhaps the most influential publication leading up to the American Revolution:

. . .“Europe, and not England, is the parent country of America. This new world hath been the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty from every part of Europe. Hither they have fled, not from the tender embraces of the mother, but from the cruelty of the monster; and it is so far true of England, that the same tyranny which drove the first emigrants from home, pursues their descendants still. . .​

Definition by Merriam-Webster:

Definition of common sense

: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts

expanded commentary: "
Choose the Right Synonym for common sense
SENSE, COMMON SENSE, JUDGMENT, WISDOM mean ability to reach intelligent conclusions. SENSE implies a reliable ability to judge and decide with soundness, prudence, and intelligence. a choice showing good sense COMMON SENSEsuggests an average degree of such ability without sophistication or special knowledge. common sense tells me it's wrong JUDGMENT implies sense tempered and refined by experience, training, and maturity. they relied on her judgment for guidance WISDOM implies sense and judgment far above average. a leader of rare wisdom​

"Sound" and "Prudent" are certainly subjective, especially regarding the issues that face us and possible actions we might take.

Two intelligent, reasonable and experienced people can (and do) disagree on what is sound and prudent in any given situation.

If a voter likes a candidate, they're going to tell themselves that their preference is based on common sense. What else are they going to say?
.

I don't judge them by what they say. I judge them by what they do. Common sense tells me that positive/beneficial results are what should be pursued and promoted rather than ineffective results/negative consequences.

President Trump's policies, regardless of what anybody thinks of him personally, are producing mostly positive and beneficial results for essentially every American demographics far more than any negatives that can be identified. And he accomplishes that by applying what most common sense Americans would count as common sense efforts and solutions. At least those who love America more than they hate Trump would count his results as due to common sense efforts and solutions.

Accomplished??? Like WHAAAAAT?

Dismantle EPA, retard can buy guns, more oil drilling for his buddies, getting closer to war, loving Kim and Putin, Putin puppet I can go on and on and on.

As far as I know Trump is the most disgusting, dishonest and corrupted POTUS ever.
Even President Carter called illegitimate president. Other countries called him inept etc etc etc etc.

 

[charwin95]

You saw his tax return for 2005 didn’t you… Let’s go on what we know… Whatta ya say?

2005? How many bankruptcies has he filed since then?

/——/ None. Trump has never filed bankruptcy. Tanks for asking.

Lol, more than a few times.

/——/ Link

Why do you kids always want links for shit that is common knowledge?
The sky is blue. You don't need a damn link.

Cell block is playing dumb.

 

[Foxfyre]

I know this will just get blown off and probably provoke attacks on me, but I am NOT asking anybody to agree with the OP, but simply to comment on why you will vote for who you think you'll vote for come November 2020. And why.

If we could not make this one more thread to insult each other and/or recite assigned partisan rhetoric and talking points and catch phrases, it would be really appreciated.

For me, President Trump IS the common sense candidate. He lays out common sense goals and objectives whether or not those are politically expedient. And he has done a tremendous job of accomplishing many of those goals and objectives so far in the short 2-1/2 years he has had to do that. And he has done it in the most hostile environment and against the most vicious opposition against a President that I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. (And my lifetime is probably considerably longer than most of yours.)

I didn't vote for him because he was proper or elegant or politically correct or shared my ideological perspective. I certainly did not vote for him as a paragon of virtue or role model for children and grandchildren. I see him as a flawed person but a decent person who has sinned as we all have, and also a person who happens to have great ability and a noble sense of purpose.

I voted for him because he offered a vision that I could believe in, and laid out specific objectives to accomplish that vision that I could mostly agree with. Yes he has had to abandon Plan A and go on to Plan B or C or D or whatever now and then. Yes he has had misspeaks and missteps along the way. Sometimes I think he makes the wrong choice. All Presidents do from time to time. But overall, his job performance scores very well in accomplishing what he said he intended to do.

And because of that, unless something significantly changes, I fully plan to vote for him again next year.

Simple question.

Is Trump corrupt?

That is not a simple question. In my opinion, as President, no he hasn't been and he is not. In his personal life I don't know what he may or may not have done that some might interpret as 'corrupt' but unless it affects me and mine or America, it is none of my business.

 

[Crepitus]

2005? How many bankruptcies has he filed since then?

/——/ None. Trump has never filed bankruptcy. Tanks for asking.

Lol, more than a few times.

/——/ Link

Why do you kids always want links for shit that is common knowledge?
The sky is blue. You don't need a damn link.

Cell block is playing dumb.

Yes, they think the "I'm a stupid republican" game is fun. I don't provide links common knowledge stuff no matter how stupid they act.

 

[Foxfyre]

Who's in charge of defining what "common sense" means?

Is it the same person who's in charge of defining what "racism" and "socialism" mean?

Because if it is, holy crap, we're fucked!

And while I'm here, why isn't there a voting option for "It's 16 freaking months out, I don't know yet"?
.

Thomas Payne wrote in "Common Sense", perhaps the most influential publication leading up to the American Revolution:

. . .“Europe, and not England, is the parent country of America. This new world hath been the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty from every part of Europe. Hither they have fled, not from the tender embraces of the mother, but from the cruelty of the monster; and it is so far true of England, that the same tyranny which drove the first emigrants from home, pursues their descendants still. . .​

Definition by Merriam-Webster:

Definition of common sense

: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts

expanded commentary: "
Choose the Right Synonym for common sense
SENSE, COMMON SENSE, JUDGMENT, WISDOM mean ability to reach intelligent conclusions. SENSE implies a reliable ability to judge and decide with soundness, prudence, and intelligence. a choice showing good sense COMMON SENSEsuggests an average degree of such ability without sophistication or special knowledge. common sense tells me it's wrong JUDGMENT implies sense tempered and refined by experience, training, and maturity. they relied on her judgment for guidance WISDOM implies sense and judgment far above average. a leader of rare wisdom​

"Sound" and "Prudent" are certainly subjective, especially regarding the issues that face us and possible actions we might take.

Two intelligent, reasonable and experienced people can (and do) disagree on what is sound and prudent in any given situation.

If a voter likes a candidate, they're going to tell themselves that their preference is based on common sense. What else are they going to say?
.

I don't judge them by what they say. I judge them by what they do. Common sense tells me that positive/beneficial results are what should be pursued and promoted rather than ineffective results/negative consequences.

President Trump's policies, regardless of what anybody thinks of him personally, are producing mostly positive and beneficial results for essentially every American demographics far more than any negatives that can be identified. And he accomplishes that by applying what most common sense Americans would count as common sense efforts and solutions. At least those who love America more than they hate Trump would count his results as due to common sense efforts and solutions.

Accomplished??? Like WHAAAAAT?

Dismantle EPA, retard can buy guns, more oil drilling for his buddies, getting closer to war, loving Kim and Putin, Putin puppet I can go on and on and on.

As far as I know Trump is the most disgusting, dishonest and corrupted POTUS ever.
Even President Carter called illegitimate president. Other countries called him inept etc etc etc etc.

And we disagree about that. I have seen no regulations rolled back or eliminated that have done any harm to anybody and those rolled back regulations are a significant reason we are enjoying such a good economy these days.

Jimmy Carter called him illegitimate because the Russians help him get elected, a concept that has now been thoroughly debunked and discredited by anybody but the most clueless and/or corrupt. Since I don't think Jimmy is corrupt, I think he is probably clueless and just losing it.

I accept that you hate him. The uber left, hyper partisan, snowflakes, and ideologically fanatic or what other categories fit into the TDS group all do. So don't vote for him.

If things do not significantly change, however, I will. I think most thoughtful, logical, reasonable Americans who love America more than they dislike or hate President Trump will vote for him.