Texas Gun Group Reenacts Paris Shooting.....Everybody DIES!!!!

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Look at all you bat crap crazy gunhuggers. Every person died and your acting like this is some kind manna from your non-existent god as proof that guns mean something.

The simulation failed. Did not work.

I know you think you need your guns, kinda like you need to believe in a god that is not real and desperately want to think that hugging your gun makes you safe.

It won't, just makes you made dead all that faster.

Did the pretend "Good Guy" yell out to the pretend Well Armed French Police, "Don't shoot me, I've got gun but I'm a Good Guy" Don't think so.

Oh yes, the darkened theater, unknown shooter starts putting out rounds and one brave gun hugger stands up and starts firing, at who he does not and does not care. The cops show and him....which is what deserves to happen.

So what. Just as the editor said he would rather die standing I would rather die with a gun in my hand with a chance to kill the asshole killing me. Unlike you I care about my life and I will not let it be taken from me without a fight. You can march merrily to the gallows but I won't be joining you.

Take your sanctimonious BS and shove it up your keester. You're wrong. at a fundamental level. At the very worst having an armed person there would have resulted in the possible death of one of the bad guys. How exactly is that bad?

Your anti gun hysteria is amusing but that's all. It is merely amusing, your rants have no bearing on fact, or reality. Get used to it. You're losing the argument, and badly.

I see your point now.

 

[emilynghiem]

Texas gun rights group reenacts Paris massacre with 8216 armed civilian 8217 8212 and everyone still dies

Just to fucking funny for words.

"The Good Guy With A Gun" stopping "A Bad Guy With A Gun" theory was put to the test when "The Truth About Guns" decided to role-play the shooting in Paris of the Satirical Newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

The only time "The Good Guy With A Gun" lived is when he ran for his life. In every other scenario played by the Texas Gun Huggers, everybody, including idiot Good Guy died.

"The only thing that a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun". Or so said Gun Manufacturer Supporter Wayne LaPierre.

Except when the Bad Guy with a gun shoots first and kills some Rambo wanna-be idiot who thinks he can kill the Bad Guy because the Bad Guy would never shoot first.

While you were fondling your wet dreams, the good guy killed two robbers.

Store Clerk Shoots 2 Men Who Tried To Rob Tulsa Store Police Sa - NewsOn6.com

Yup. Just last week here 4 crooks tried to rob a store @ gunpoint. The store owner died but every one of the thugs is hospitalized in critical condition.

And how many robberies are deterred by having WELL TRAINED armed clerks
vs.
how many robberies are deterred when clerk have no guns and inadequate or no training

ANY stats on that, if robbers go after easier targets more? Is it 50/50?

 

[emilynghiem]

Another little thing that is being ignored, is that the French Police also are unarmed. You can see in every video how casual and deliberate the muslim killers were. There was no rush, there was no need for precaution, they knew there would be NO return fire. They executed that cop right there on the sidewalk and the poor schmuck could do nothing to defend himself. There is also a section of video where the muslims were getting into their car when a cop car comes out in front of them blocking the road. The muslim killers casually began firing on the car and since they were defenseless, they had no choice but to retreat. Had those cops been armed as they are in the USA, those muslim shit stains would have been burning in hell instead of taking hostages later.

Typically, Progressives are unable to think for themselves, so they repeat lies that they are spoon fed.

What? You mean to say that KNOWING police did not have guns
didn't stop the killers from shooting them anyway?

to be fair, I think what the opponents are saying is not to have ANYONE have ANY guns
so this won't happen. And the response is these same criminals would get guns ANYWAY
so you are back to square one.

I guess how to explain this to liberals:
When it comes to anti-abortion laws, the left is saying that won't stop abortion anyway
but just force it to be done illegally. And the right argues that anti-gun laws won't
stop access to guns, but it will fall into illegal hands. So it won't achieve the goal
of ending gun violence, any more than banning abortions will end abortions.
It will just make the problems worse.

Very similar arguments, if people would step back and listen to what
they are saying back and forth to each other.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Texas gun rights group reenacts Paris massacre with 8216 armed civilian 8217 8212 and everyone still dies

Just to fucking funny for words.

"The Good Guy With A Gun" stopping "A Bad Guy With A Gun" theory was put to the test when "The Truth About Guns" decided to role-play the shooting in Paris of the Satirical Newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

The only time "The Good Guy With A Gun" lived is when he ran for his life. In every other scenario played by the Texas Gun Huggers, everybody, including idiot Good Guy died.

"The only thing that a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun". Or so said Gun Manufacturer Supporter Wayne LaPierre.

Except when the Bad Guy with a gun shoots first and kills some Rambo wanna-be idiot who thinks he can kill the Bad Guy because the Bad Guy would never shoot first.

While you were fondling your wet dreams, the good guy killed two robbers.

Store Clerk Shoots 2 Men Who Tried To Rob Tulsa Store Police Sa - NewsOn6.com

Yup. Just last week here 4 crooks tried to rob a store @ gunpoint. The store owner died but every one of the thugs is hospitalized in critical condition.

And how many robberies are deterred by having WELL TRAINED armed clerks
vs.
how many robberies are deterred when clerk have no guns and inadequate or no training

ANY stats on that, if robbers go after easier targets more? Is it 50/50?

I have no fucking idea. I do know there are 4 douchebags that are currently clinging to life and not in the planning stages for their next robbery at gun point...

 

[FA_Q2]

Damn those pesky facts.

Wow. I already showed your graphic was utter garbage in another thread and you ran away because you don't have a real argument at all.

Then here you are, repeating the same BS again.

 

[FA_Q2]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

Sharp Shooter isn't all that impressive. Now had you qualified Expert I might be impressed.

36 out of 40 and you better pray that your weapon doesn't jam. I pulled that off twice in my Army career, other times I got like 35 and changed my marksmanship badge to Sharpshooter. It's harder than you think. Very few soldiers can consistently qualify expert with the M-16A2 rifle. Your criticism is unjustified and more than a little ignorant.

I have never failed to qualify Expert with any weapon I have ever qualified with. That includes the M-16A1 I qualified with back in the 1970's when I was competing in national competitions and I befriended the Army guys at the competition and they invited me to visit their base. They even gave me one of their AMU patches because they liked me so much!


And why on earth would your weapon jam? That happens when there is a mechanical failure (super duper rare) or you don't maintain your weapon properly in which case you get what you deserve.

Most weapon jams occur because the magazines used for weapons qualification on the range are overused 10 round capacity units and loaded by other soldiers, so the quality of the magazine you get can vary. Being on the range, they often have sand, the spring is worn from overuse and feed failures happen, and the ammunition is loaded unevenly, that is, not backed all the way in so the tip of the bullet catches causing a feed failure or a double feed. Every qualification invariably involves weapons malfunctions, something that can't always be avoided.


That's not even to get into the issue of popup targets not registering a hit because they're also overused and bullets go through gaps in the target. This is what those of us who were really in the Army know about range qualifications.

And real Army veterans never upbraid another soldier for qualifying Sharpshooter.

Magazine maintenance is part of weapon maintenance last time I checked. I disassemble, and clean my mags at least once a year. I was never in the Army, but BA's assertion was meant to give him some sort of "expertise" on the subject, but I regularly shoot with guys who never shoot below Expert. Ever. So I felt his declaration a bit presumptous.

One of my best friends was a Navy surgeon and I have pictures of him running a USMC range during WWII. I have had many Marines claim that it is staged, till I let them know he was a Palma Match winner. I learned a tremendous amount from him, and others like him.

Do you not understand that you don't get the option when qualifying?

You do not use your own magazines. You use the ones that you are given with just enough time to load some rounds into them and start firing. Magazines that are NOT combat ready because they are overused garbage.

Hell, most of the time you don't even qualify with your own weapon anymore. They simply hand you a random one from the armory that the last guy barely cleaned because he wasn't going to fire it again and you just have to deal with it.

Jams are a GIVEN on a military qualifying range, not a possibility. I am not sure if I have ever managed to fire the entire 100 rounds without at least one issue with the weapon. Last time it was particularly fun when MY SIGHT FELL OFF. The 'equipment' we have to work with is pathetic at best.

 

[westwall]

Sharp Shooter isn't all that impressive. Now had you qualified Expert I might be impressed.

36 out of 40 and you better pray that your weapon doesn't jam. I pulled that off twice in my Army career, other times I got like 35 and changed my marksmanship badge to Sharpshooter. It's harder than you think. Very few soldiers can consistently qualify expert with the M-16A2 rifle. Your criticism is unjustified and more than a little ignorant.

I have never failed to qualify Expert with any weapon I have ever qualified with. That includes the M-16A1 I qualified with back in the 1970's when I was competing in national competitions and I befriended the Army guys at the competition and they invited me to visit their base. They even gave me one of their AMU patches because they liked me so much!


And why on earth would your weapon jam? That happens when there is a mechanical failure (super duper rare) or you don't maintain your weapon properly in which case you get what you deserve.

Most weapon jams occur because the magazines used for weapons qualification on the range are overused 10 round capacity units and loaded by other soldiers, so the quality of the magazine you get can vary. Being on the range, they often have sand, the spring is worn from overuse and feed failures happen, and the ammunition is loaded unevenly, that is, not backed all the way in so the tip of the bullet catches causing a feed failure or a double feed. Every qualification invariably involves weapons malfunctions, something that can't always be avoided.


That's not even to get into the issue of popup targets not registering a hit because they're also overused and bullets go through gaps in the target. This is what those of us who were really in the Army know about range qualifications.

And real Army veterans never upbraid another soldier for qualifying Sharpshooter.

Magazine maintenance is part of weapon maintenance last time I checked. I disassemble, and clean my mags at least once a year. I was never in the Army, but BA's assertion was meant to give him some sort of "expertise" on the subject, but I regularly shoot with guys who never shoot below Expert. Ever. So I felt his declaration a bit presumptous.

One of my best friends was a Navy surgeon and I have pictures of him running a USMC range during WWII. I have had many Marines claim that it is staged, till I let them know he was a Palma Match winner. I learned a tremendous amount from him, and others like him.

Do you not understand that you don't get the option when qualifying?

You do not use your own magazines. You use the ones that you are given with just enough time to load some rounds into them and start firing. Magazines that are NOT combat ready because they are overused garbage.

Hell, most of the time you don't even qualify with your own weapon anymore. They simply hand you a random one from the armory that the last guy barely cleaned because he wasn't going to fire it again and you just have to deal with it.

Jams are a GIVEN on a military qualifying range, not a possibility. I am not sure if I have ever managed to fire the entire 100 rounds without at least one issue with the weapon. Last time it was particularly fun when MY SIGHT FELL OFF. The 'equipment' we have to work with is pathetic at best.

And if that is true, and I certainly have no reason to doubt you, then the US military is in dire need of a rethink. If they can't provide the basics, they shouldn't be in the business.

 

[FA_Q2]

36 out of 40 and you better pray that your weapon doesn't jam. I pulled that off twice in my Army career, other times I got like 35 and changed my marksmanship badge to Sharpshooter. It's harder than you think. Very few soldiers can consistently qualify expert with the M-16A2 rifle. Your criticism is unjustified and more than a little ignorant.

I have never failed to qualify Expert with any weapon I have ever qualified with. That includes the M-16A1 I qualified with back in the 1970's when I was competing in national competitions and I befriended the Army guys at the competition and they invited me to visit their base. They even gave me one of their AMU patches because they liked me so much!


And why on earth would your weapon jam? That happens when there is a mechanical failure (super duper rare) or you don't maintain your weapon properly in which case you get what you deserve.

Most weapon jams occur because the magazines used for weapons qualification on the range are overused 10 round capacity units and loaded by other soldiers, so the quality of the magazine you get can vary. Being on the range, they often have sand, the spring is worn from overuse and feed failures happen, and the ammunition is loaded unevenly, that is, not backed all the way in so the tip of the bullet catches causing a feed failure or a double feed. Every qualification invariably involves weapons malfunctions, something that can't always be avoided.


That's not even to get into the issue of popup targets not registering a hit because they're also overused and bullets go through gaps in the target. This is what those of us who were really in the Army know about range qualifications.

And real Army veterans never upbraid another soldier for qualifying Sharpshooter.

Magazine maintenance is part of weapon maintenance last time I checked. I disassemble, and clean my mags at least once a year. I was never in the Army, but BA's assertion was meant to give him some sort of "expertise" on the subject, but I regularly shoot with guys who never shoot below Expert. Ever. So I felt his declaration a bit presumptous.

One of my best friends was a Navy surgeon and I have pictures of him running a USMC range during WWII. I have had many Marines claim that it is staged, till I let them know he was a Palma Match winner. I learned a tremendous amount from him, and others like him.

Do you not understand that you don't get the option when qualifying?

You do not use your own magazines. You use the ones that you are given with just enough time to load some rounds into them and start firing. Magazines that are NOT combat ready because they are overused garbage.

Hell, most of the time you don't even qualify with your own weapon anymore. They simply hand you a random one from the armory that the last guy barely cleaned because he wasn't going to fire it again and you just have to deal with it.

Jams are a GIVEN on a military qualifying range, not a possibility. I am not sure if I have ever managed to fire the entire 100 rounds without at least one issue with the weapon. Last time it was particularly fun when MY SIGHT FELL OFF. The 'equipment' we have to work with is pathetic at best.

And if that is true, and I certainly have no reason to doubt you, then the US military is in dire need of a rethink. If they can't provide the basics, they shouldn't be in the business.

The main problem is that you are up against funding limits. It is cheaper to do things this way than it is to have every member with good equipment. There are more ancillary jobs than there are actual combat ones. The army likes to say that every soldier is a rifleman first and a <insert MOS here> second but that is mostly a platitude. If you are a tank mechanic or tank operator the military just might not want to ante up the extra currency it might take to train you better.

I am Air Force myself so we are even worse off in that realm. Saint mentions pop up targets (I have shot on those for the army billets I have filled) but we don't even get that. We are still stuck on the paper targets. The training that most people think we get really does not happen. we have very little actual combat training. The army gets a little more but even that is somewhat inadequate as well.

 

[2aguy]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

wow...a sharp shooter.....but what was your job in the military....considering there are 3 basic levels of rifle marksmanship in the military and sharp shooter isn't the "Expert" qualification......what was your job....truck driver, cook?

and as a simulation....the "killers" we're never in actual danger when they went into the simulated offices, and no matter how you train, taking incoming REAL return Fire is completely different......did you listen to the after action report at thetruthaboutguns?

and I imagine that anti gunners would prefer to deal with the situation by dying on their knees, or curled in a ball on the floor as they are executed......rather than trying to fight back....because combat is a funny thing and no simulation can tell the truth about the outcome.....

 

[2aguy]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

Sharp Shooter isn't all that impressive. Now had you qualified Expert I might be impressed.

I still wouldn't be all that impressed, it is qualification against static targets...having qualified myself I'd be more impressed by what his job actually was....since "EXPERT, is the best of the basic.....really basic shooting scores for basic rifle marksmanship......in the military.....

 

[2aguy]

Damn those pesky facts.

Luddley the Moron, still thinks that guns kill people all by themselves. What an idiot.

I saw the source of that chart and of course it is wrong....I will try to find the rebuttal to that chart....lud...what's the link.....would save me some time....

 

[2aguy]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

If you actually held the job your nic denotes you would understand how and why the terrorists in this reenactment won and how and why in almost every scenario like this they would win. Heavier firepower, the element of surprise and the possibility they're wearing body armor against many that probably aren't as trained as they are. Even if the scenario was they somehow got into a combat zone compound where every soldier has their weapon at hand they would still manage to do extreme damage before they are taken down.
Compared to the typical in country self defense scenario how often would the Paris scenario happen? Not a great comparison is it hence you're grasping at straws.
Remember the North Hollywood Shootout? Because of the damage done to the cops and civilians i guess the cops shouldn't have firearms as it really didn't help all that much..........

Actually, in the North Hollywood shoot out for all the shooting I think they only shot one cop in the foot......

 

[2aguy]

from Masaad Ayoob on this issue.....


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner

On July 25, 1993, The Church of St. James in Cape Town, South Africa, becomes the target of a massacre by four members of the Azanian People’s Liberation Army. Wielding fully automatic military AR’s and lobbing hand grenades, the terrorists kill 11 helpless victims and wound 58. However, among the intended victims is missionary Charl van Wyk. He always carried a 5-shot, snub-nose .38 Special revolver … and now, he deploys it. His return fire wounds one of the attackers, and all of them break off the assault and flee the scene. Against all odds, his snub-nose .38 has turned the tide of battle against four killers with explosives and machine guns.

 

[2aguy]

Damn those pesky facts.

Of course, as a chart from an anti gun group it is not even close to being accurate.....remember....never, ever trust anti gunners....their phobia about guns will force them to lie about this issue because their fear of guns is overwhelming, and destroys their ability to deal with the issue rationally.....from thetruthaboutguns and why this chart is crap....

Why the Gun Violence Archive Is Flawed From the Start - The Truth About Guns

I like data. Hard facts and good analysis are the key to any good policy decision. But the problem with the Gun Violence Archive is that it isn’t providing good data. In fact, it basically ignores half of the equation and presses forward presenting only the statistics that support their pre-determined conclusion. It is the very definition of shoddy analysis, and that I can’t abide.

 

[2aguy]

Texas gun rights group reenacts Paris massacre with 8216 armed civilian 8217 8212 and everyone still dies

Just to fucking funny for words.

"The Good Guy With A Gun" stopping "A Bad Guy With A Gun" theory was put to the test when "The Truth About Guns" decided to role-play the shooting in Paris of the Satirical Newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

The only time "The Good Guy With A Gun" lived is when he ran for his life. In every other scenario played by the Texas Gun Huggers, everybody, including idiot Good Guy died.

"The only thing that a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun". Or so said Gun Manufacturer Supporter Wayne LaPierre.

Except when the Bad Guy with a gun shoots first and kills some Rambo wanna-be idiot who thinks he can kill the Bad Guy because the Bad Guy would never shoot first.

They did it with one person armed out of 12, would be interesting to see if a 2nd armed person would change the scenario.

or 3 or more....all training fire on the attackers.....considering the journalists knew they were all targets and their offices had been fire bombed before...and yet, French gun control worked that day.....not one, law abiding French citizen had a gun that day.....of course, the 3 terrorists all had illegal, fully automatic Russian military rifles, a rocket propelled grenade launcher, and hand grenades.....even though at least on of the attackers was a convicted criminal on a government terrorist watch list...

but.....the important thing for gun grabbers......none of the victims had a gun.......so technically, the deaths of those 12 journalists, and the wounding of 15 others, and the death of 4 deli patrons was a win for French gun control.......they successfully disarmed all those people.......those people did not fire even a single shot in their own defense...they all died quietly....or begging for their lives, but either way......a big win for French gun control.....

 

[Ringel05]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

If you actually held the job your nic denotes you would understand how and why the terrorists in this reenactment won and how and why in almost every scenario like this they would win. Heavier firepower, the element of surprise and the possibility they're wearing body armor against many that probably aren't as trained as they are. Even if the scenario was they somehow got into a combat zone compound where every soldier has their weapon at hand they would still manage to do extreme damage before they are taken down.
Compared to the typical in country self defense scenario how often would the Paris scenario happen? Not a great comparison is it hence you're grasping at straws.
Remember the North Hollywood Shootout? Because of the damage done to the cops and civilians i guess the cops shouldn't have firearms as it really didn't help all that much..........

Actually, in the North Hollywood shoot out for all the shooting I think they only shot one cop in the foot......

15 people were wounded, 5 civilians, 10 cops. True none of the wounds were severely life threatening though many were serious and if Swat had not commandeered an armored cash truck to retrieve the wounded some would have bled out and died.

 

[2aguy]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

If you actually held the job your nic denotes you would understand how and why the terrorists in this reenactment won and how and why in almost every scenario like this they would win. Heavier firepower, the element of surprise and the possibility they're wearing body armor against many that probably aren't as trained as they are. Even if the scenario was they somehow got into a combat zone compound where every soldier has their weapon at hand they would still manage to do extreme damage before they are taken down.
Compared to the typical in country self defense scenario how often would the Paris scenario happen? Not a great comparison is it hence you're grasping at straws.
Remember the North Hollywood Shootout? Because of the damage done to the cops and civilians i guess the cops shouldn't have firearms as it really didn't help all that much..........

Actually, in the North Hollywood shoot out for all the shooting I think they only shot one cop in the foot......

15 people were wounded, 5 civilians, 10 cops. True none of the wounds were severely life threatening though many were serious and if Swat had not commandeered an armored cash truck to retrieve the wounded some would have bled out and died.

But still....a lot of shooting for little effect....comparitively speaking...especially when you watch how they were shooting up the place....

 

[Freewill]

from Masaad Ayoob on this issue.....


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner

On July 25, 1993, The Church of St. James in Cape Town, South Africa, becomes the target of a massacre by four members of the Azanian People’s Liberation Army. Wielding fully automatic military AR’s and lobbing hand grenades, the terrorists kill 11 helpless victims and wound 58. However, among the intended victims is missionary Charl van Wyk. He always carried a 5-shot, snub-nose .38 Special revolver … and now, he deploys it. His return fire wounds one of the attackers, and all of them break off the assault and flee the scene. Against all odds, his snub-nose .38 has turned the tide of battle against four killers with explosives and machine guns.

Gees I hope he had a permit for that gun.

 

[Ringel05]

F.Y.I.

I qualified as a Sharp Shooter in the Army. I maintained that qualification until I was discharge.

Did the Pretend French Cops know about the so-called armed Good Guy, did he yell "I've got a gun....but don't kill me?"

You guys love to play shit out in your mind.

A Darkened Theater, good guy with gun and bad guy with gun. How do the cops know which before the firefight?

If you actually held the job your nic denotes you would understand how and why the terrorists in this reenactment won and how and why in almost every scenario like this they would win. Heavier firepower, the element of surprise and the possibility they're wearing body armor against many that probably aren't as trained as they are. Even if the scenario was they somehow got into a combat zone compound where every soldier has their weapon at hand they would still manage to do extreme damage before they are taken down.
Compared to the typical in country self defense scenario how often would the Paris scenario happen? Not a great comparison is it hence you're grasping at straws.
Remember the North Hollywood Shootout? Because of the damage done to the cops and civilians i guess the cops shouldn't have firearms as it really didn't help all that much..........

Actually, in the North Hollywood shoot out for all the shooting I think they only shot one cop in the foot......

15 people were wounded, 5 civilians, 10 cops. True none of the wounds were severely life threatening though many were serious and if Swat had not commandeered an armored cash truck to retrieve the wounded some would have bled out and died.

But still....a lot of shooting for little effect....comparitively speaking...especially when you watch how they were shooting up the place....

Also true but then again most of what they were doing was spray and pray, they wanted to escape, it was a botched bank heist not a terrorist attack specifically planned to kill as many as possible.

 

[2aguy]

from Masaad Ayoob on this issue.....


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner


The False Hope Of Gun-Free Zones American Handgunner

On July 25, 1993, The Church of St. James in Cape Town, South Africa, becomes the target of a massacre by four members of the Azanian People’s Liberation Army. Wielding fully automatic military AR’s and lobbing hand grenades, the terrorists kill 11 helpless victims and wound 58. However, among the intended victims is missionary Charl van Wyk. He always carried a 5-shot, snub-nose .38 Special revolver … and now, he deploys it. His return fire wounds one of the attackers, and all of them break off the assault and flee the scene. Against all odds, his snub-nose .38 has turned the tide of battle against four killers with explosives and machine guns.

Gees I hope he had a permit for that gun.

I'm sure that the 4 terrorists had permits for their illegal, fully automatic weapons, made sure those weapons were properly registered, took the appropriate classes for carrying those weapons, and waited the appropriate amount of time before buying those weapons from illegal gun dealers........that is what gun control is supposed to do....right?