Terral's Challenge To Official 9/11 Govt Conspiracy Theory Stooges

[Fizz]

Agent Fizz is such an idiot its not even funny.He loves coming on here and embarrasing himself beyond repair.NOW he is saying look at the smoke.Like its not easy to make smoke come up from the ground other than a plane crash.what a complete moron."rolls on floor laughing." he needs to quit while he still can before he embarrasses himself further. and you know as well as I do Terral,agent Fizz wont watch that video.anything he cant debunk,he avoids addressing..
btw Terral,how you like my new link in my sig and how come you took that video out of your sig?

he claims the hole was empty. if something is smoking in that hole then it isnt empty. thank you for proving that terral is a liar. unless, of course, you wish to claim that dirt smokes.

 

[Fizz]

Hi Inside Job:

Agent Fizz is such an idiot its not even funny.He loves coming on here and embarrasing himself beyond repair.NOW he is saying look at the smoke ...

Mr. Fizz and Gamolon and Ollie and all the Official Cover Story Stooges have 'no' credibility with anyone, because NONE of them can start their own 911Truth Topic in support of Official Cover Story LIES. Period. All of them combined cannot stand against just one real 911Truther (#3 + my 911Truth Blog) willing to lay out all the evidence (my work).

GL,

Terral

what a fucking moron. you think that starting a thread makes your stupid theories true?!!

so tell us, terral, how many reliable news organizations (you know, the kind that actual CHECK FACTS) have bought into your missile hoax?

oh...... that would be just about..... ZERO!!

so who should the world believe?

ABN Newswire
Agencia Bolivariana de Noticias
Agencia Brasil
Agence France-Presse
Agenzia Giornalistica Italia
Agenzia Nazionale Stampa Associata
all headline news
Al-Jazeera
Anadolu Agency
Antara
Associated Press
Australian Associated Press
Baltic News Service
BBC News
Belga
Bernama
Bloomberg L.P.
BNO News
Central News Agency (Taiwan)
CNN
CSRWire Canada
Deutsche Presse-Agentur
EFE
European Pressphoto Agency
Fox News
Ihlas News Agency
Interfax
Inter Press Service
ITAR-TASS
Kyodo News
Lusa
Magyar Távirati Iroda
Market Wire
The Media Line
Nonprofit Newswire.com
Notimex
Pacnews
Polska Agencja Prasowa
Press Association
Press Trust of India
PR Newswire
Reuters
RIA Novosti
Télam
UNIAN
United Press International
Xinhua News Agency
Yonhap
ZUMA Press

or should they believe you, the fucking moron that posts on message boards and thinks that starting a topic is a difficult thing to do and also claims:

China On Its Way To Invade Mexico!
Marshall Law will be declared on July 27, 2009
Foreign troops are already here and on our military bases.
The Big Bang is a Myth
A True Homosexual has never been born
Doctors use outdated barbaric methods to make people pay more.
Obama is creating a Hitler Youth
DoD/FBI/CIA CounterIntelligence Disinformation Propaganda to cover up 9/11
Advanced BioWar Event Conspiracy
Homosexuals Destroying the American Empire Conspiracy
The New World Order Agenda to Reduce the Global Population to less than 2 Billion
European bankers (Rothschild, Warburg, etc., i.e. Jewish banks) staged the 1907 Panic

anyone with a functioning brain can see you have no credibility and are completely insane.

 

[Terral]

Hi Fizz:

what a fucking moron. you think that ...

Start 'your' Topics explaining 'your' love affair with the Official 9/11 Cover Stories! Do it! Otherwise, nothing you say means anything.

GL,

Terral

 

[Fizz]

Hi Fizz:

what a fucking moron. you think that ...

Start 'your' Topics explaining 'your' love affair with the Official 9/11 Cover Stories! Do it! Otherwise, nothing you say means anything.

GL,

Terral

i start topics when I want to start topics. not when some moronic psychopath demands me to do it.

your demands are not only silly, they are completely unnecessary. the official account of events needs no topic in the conspiracy theory forum. it isnt a conspiracy.

 

[Trojan]

Stublebine

this is the general that believe he can bend a spoon with his mind

 

[SFC Ollie]

At The WTC.

At The Pentagon.

At a recovered strip mine in PA.

Three places where there was DNA and body parts of the passengers of 4 commercial aircraft recovered. Those body parts and DNA corespond with the passengers and crew of the 4 aircraft that the 911 Commissions Report says were hijacked and forcibly crashed on 9-11-01.

It is not up to me to prove that the Government investigation is true. It is up to you to prove that they lied.

It's not up to me to prove that there was no missile that hit the pentagon but it is up to you to prove it did.

It is not up to me to prove that there were no explosives planted in the WTC, it is up to you to prove there was.

So far you have no, zero, not an ounce of physical proof. When you actually have something let us know.

The 911 Commissions Report has hundreds of tons of physcal proof.

Do play again.

 

[slackjawed]

here is the answers to all the nutty twoofer claims;

"People in caves could not carry out the attack.

* This racist comment ignores the education and training of the terrorists. Bin Laden graduated from college a civil engineer and some of the terrorists are out of college
* You don't need government help or a university degree to scare passengers into thinking you have a bomb onboard.
* You don't need government help to turn off an airliner transponder and hide among hundreds of other airliners in the area

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Osama Bin Laden

It's the first time in history a steel frame high-rise collapsed

* It is not the first time a steel structure collapsed by fire
* It's also the first time in history an airliner rammed into a steel hi-rise building built like the towers (Tube in a Tube design)
* It's the first time in history a steel framed building built like Building 7 (Con Ed substation in the lower floors and a cantilever column core) was hit by another steel framed building.
* unprotected steel collapsed within 2 1/2 hours in Madrid fire without being hit by anything

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - First Time In History

They collapsed into their own footprint

* The floors of the towers fell straight down while the perimeter columns leaned out
* These buildings could not collapse any other way due to the design of the building. It was not a solid block.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Towers Collapse

Explosives were placed in the building during weekend power downs

* Controlled demolition of much smaller buildings take months.
* The power down can not be verified by any reliable source.

Controlled demolition -Debunk 9/11 Myths

A fireman said there were only two small fires in the towers

* The fireman was on the 78th floor, the lowest of the impact floors on fire.
* A wingtip was the only part of the airliner which entered the 78th floor.
* The 78th floor is a skylobby which wouldn't have much to burn
* The fires above the 78th floor had heavier fires which followed the fuel/combustibles.
* If there were only two small fires on the 78th floor just before collapse, it only agrees with the NIST report. Cooling trusses contracted and pulled the columns in because the fires moved to other areas.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - The Fires

The Madrid and Caracas tower fires lasted much longer yet those steel framed buildings never collapsed completely

* Neither building had the tube in a tube design used at the WTC
* Unlike the towers, both buildings had their steel columns encased in concrete
* The steel which was not protected with concrete in the Madrid towers also collapsed early on just like in the towers

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Madrid/Windsor Tower

The towers were built to withstand more than one airliner impact

* The NIST never said the impact collapsed the towers
* The towers DID withstand the impact. It was a combination of fire, impact damage and lack of fireproofing over the steel in the impact levels which collapsed the towers.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myth - Plane Impact

Ex UL employee (Underwriters Laboratory) Kevin Ryan says UL certified the steel of the towers which did not fail during testing for the NIST

* UL does not certify steel. They certify assemblies which included fireproofing on the steel
* Kevin Ryan worked as a water tester and did not have anything to do with the collapse investigation
* Mr. Ryan was let go from UL because he was making false statements about the company
* The steel assembly with 1/2 inch fireproofing was rated for only 45 minutes.
* UL never tested steel assemblies without fireproofing

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The towers lease owner was being forced to remove asbestos from the towers. It would have cost him billions of dollars to remove it all.

* The towers only had asbestos up to the 38th floor of one building.
* Asbestos does not need to be removed, only sealed with a spray on sealer.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The towers were white elephants and never reached full occupancy

* The towers were at full occupancy at least since February of 2001. It was at 90% in 1998.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The photos and videos of the bowed columns were due to light refraction

* Light refracts differently in different angles. It would be impossible for light to bend in refraction in exactly the same way on every camera and video lens regardless of angle
* The bow was only on one side of each building. Why didn't it refract around the whole building if it was a product of heat?
* Videos show the violent pull in of the columns at the beginning of global collapse. It would be impossible for it to be refracted light

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Sagging Trusses and Bowed Columns

The NIST changed their mind and said the buildings did not pancake

* The NIST never said pancaking caused the global collapse
* The NIST was talking about what they investigated which was the collapse initiation. The collapse did not start by pancaking
* There is photographic evidence of pancaking on ground zero which happened after collapse initiation

Towers Collapse - Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and controlled demolition

Silverstein said he "pulled" building 7. Pull is demolition terminology for blowing up the building

* "Pull" is not demolition terminology for blowing up buildings.
* Building 6 was literally pulled with cables which is why they said "We're about to pull building 6" in a PBS special.
* Silverstein say "they" made the decision and not Silverstein
* They made the decision to pull the rescue operation out.
* The fire commander's statements agree with Silverstein's statement
* Many firefighters said they were pulled away from building 7 because they feared the building would collapse

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

Building 7 only had a few small fires.

* Building 7's south side was covered by smoke for most of the event.
* Firefighters said the building's south side showed fires on multiple floors
* Firemen said the building was "fully involved"

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

Building 7 had no or little structural damage

* The firefighters put a transit on the building and concluded the building was going to collapse
* There was a very large gash in the building which ran from the top floor to at least the tenth floor
* Firemen said there was a 10 story hole in the middle of the building

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7

The towers fell at free fall/near free fall speed

* In every video and photo you can see the perimeter columns far outpacing the collapse.
* The building took over 12-16 seconds to completely collapse. The actual event was covered by debris so no one can say for sure. One rare video has the south tower collapsing at about 22 seconds.
* Conspiracy theorists cut their videos out when the perimeter columns hit the ground and not the building.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Free Fall

Molten Steel found weeks after the collapse indicates the use of thermite.

* No one has scientifically proven the molten substance was steel. Can even be molten glass coating steel or an aluminum mixed with something else
* Steel can burn/oxidize and would explain red hot steel
* The photo of firemen over a glowing hole in the ground cannot be molten steel. The heat would have been too great for the firemen
* Thermite cannot cut columns without large canisters all around the column
* No demolition in history ever had steel glow for weeks
* Thermite needs another primary charge to set it off. It would have exploded during impact explosion
* The amount of thermite needed to collapse the tower would have been massive. (Tons) Impossible to hide.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel

A Thermite reaction is seen flowing from a window in the south tower before it collapsed.

* The size of the flow would mean tons of thermite was in that corner of the building. Impossible to hide
* The flow turned grayish as it fell to the ground, more like aluminum
* The flow was seen only from one window which happen to be where the majority of the aluminum plane would have come to rest
* The molten flow changed its direction with the sagging floor. Thermite doesn't walk
* A UPS system on the 81st floor can account for the molten flow

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel

Squibs were seen coming from the buildings

* Because of the 'tube in a tube' design, each tower was about 95% air. Each story had an acre worth of floor space. The air from each story was compressed during the collapse. The air had to go someplace; out the window space, in staircases, down elevator shafts or other mechanical conduits. The compressed air is called "overpressure".
* Firemen who survived the collapse in the buildings core felt the overpressure strong enough to push them down the stairs. They called it a "hurricane wind".
* None of the so called "Squibs" could be seen before the collapse, which is evidence the collapse caused the effect.
* Other very heavy equipment could have fallen down open elevator shafts (Elevators and motors, etc...) and rammed into floors blowing out windows on the floors and expelling ceiling tile debris.
* The amount of these so called squibs are much smaller than would be expected in a controlled demolition, where charges are used on almost every floor.
* Videos show squibs working in reverse from an explosive blast. The amount of ejected debris increases as the collapse progresses. Explosives don't work that way. Energy in an explosive is released almost instantly and would not get stronger over time.
* What some say are squibs as building 7 collapses is nothing more than previously damaged exterior panels flapping about on a poor resolution internet video.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Squibs

People heard explosions indicating explosives were used

* Each floor had about an acre of 3" - 4 " concrete flooring. The sound of that plus office furniture and equipment collapsing on an office below would make a very loud boom.
* Steel snapping under tension would make a very loud boom.
* Large transformers exploding in the building would make a very loud boom.
* Large oil filled transformers exploding from the fire in WTC 7 could account for explosions heard in the building before collapsing
* Many of the people who said they heard explosions also said they realized it was the building collapsing causing the sound.
* Even bodies hitting the ground sounded like explosions to some people.
* Some say "It was like" before saying what they heard.
* People generally try to describe something hard to describe by saying it's like something most people know. Like the sound of a hurricane is often described as a freight train by survivors.
* You would expect a few people who are under attack by terrorists to think a loud boom is an explosive going off.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Explosions

"Scholars" say the collapse of the towers is impossible

* None of the conspiracy "scholars" have passed a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal saying the collapse of the towers was impossible.
* Many peer reviewed papers have been passed in respected scientific journals saying the towers collapsed from impact and fire alone.
* The few scholars who say they are structural engineers and are conspiracy theorists are not working in the field.
* Dr. Fetzer wrote books on JFK and moon landing conspiracies.
* Prof. Jones was a physicist who worked on cold fusion and not structural or civil engineering.
* Prof. Judy Woods was a dental engineer and did not have a job in structural engineering.
* Gordon Ross is not a structural engineer. None of his so called "papers" have passed peer review by a respected scientific journal. He hasn't made a single attempt in a respected journal.
* The scholars for 9/11 truth created their own journal which has no impact to the scientific community and is created by and for the conspiracy theorist community.
* Conspiracy theorists haven't tried to pass a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal. This proves they have little faith in their own work.
* Structural engineers in Jones own university call his hypothesis "very unreliable".

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and controlled demolition - Structural and Civil Engineers against Controlled Demolition

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - The Paper

Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse



Dr. Steven Jones says he found evidence of controlled demolition on Ground Zero in the form of Sulfur and Iron Spheres in the dust sample.

* Sulfur is found in gypsum board
* Iron Spheres come from flyash found in structural concrete, magnetic printer toner, torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup, aircraft impact, collapse,
* The iron-rich content of all dust samples was between 0.1 and 1.3%. Not high enough to suggest it came from large amounts of melted steel.
* Could have been there before collapse created during the construction of of one of the many buildings in NY.
* Iron Spheres could be created by oxidation or chemical reactions during moderate office fires.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth



They would only need a handful of people to pull it off

* They would have needed thousands for the conspiracy story to be true

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Massive Conspiracy

A large portion of the American population believe the government planned 9/11

* The polls are worded in a way to conflate the government hiding their incompetence with government involvement in 9/11.
* Only 4.2% believe the government blew up the towers. 26.5% believe the government let Bin Laden fly planes into the building. That number is well below the 34% who believe in UFO's
* If a large percentage of people believe the conspiracy story then why doesn't it show when they interrupt live events? Why no sympathy from the vast majority in attendance?

Challenge accepted, and conspiracy nutcase debunked!

Case closed.

Now Terral, leave the day room for the rest of the patients, you can't tie it up all day. Just go back to your room and the nurse will bring you cookies and warm milk.....

 

[Terral]

Greetings to All:

Where are the Official Cover Story Stooges willing to start 'their' 911Truth Topics supporting the Official Govt LIE???? These idiots come to this fine USMB Board every day to pretend ANYONE hiding behind silly names like 'Gamolon, Fizz and CandyCorn' (what morons) has even a shred of real 'credibility.' If anyone coming to this Forum expects to stand in the true light of 'credibility,' then he is willing to post under HIS REAL NAME (#3). This is my name on the Loose Change Board where 'this Pentagon Topic' was the most-read with the most replies.

This is my name at the Prison Planet Forum where my "9:32 AM First Explosion At The Pentagon" Topic appears to be read by everyone. My "What Happened At The Pentagon" Topic appears at the LetsRoll Board under the name of ... guess who ... 'Terral.' You find the same name on the membership rolls of AE911Truth.org (search 'Terral') and the 'Tough Talk' Board and more places than you care to know about. Good luck finding 'the' 911Truth from any Gamolon, Fizzle or CandyAssCorn all hiding behind sockpuppet names that amount to 'no' credibility at all.

Any of the Official Cover Story Stooges 'can' work to elevate their current 'zero' credibility numbers by accepting my Challenge from the Opening Post of this Topic, but none will. Do you know why? That is very easy: They have 'no' credibility and 'no' evidence to support the Govt Story of what really happened on 9/11 ...

GL,

Terral

 

[Gamolon]

Greetings to All:

Where are the Official Cover Story Stooges willing to start 'their' 911Truth Topics supporting the Official Govt LIE???? These idiots come to this fine USMB Board every day to pretend ANYONE hiding behind silly names like 'Gamolon, Fizz and CandyCorn' (what morons) has even a shred of real 'credibility.' If anyone coming to this Forum expects to stand in the true light of 'credibility,' then he is willing to post under HIS REAL NAME (#3). This is my name on the Loose Change Board where 'this Pentagon Topic' was the most-read with the most replies.

This is my name at the Prison Planet Forum where my "9:32 AM First Explosion At The Pentagon" Topic appears to be read by everyone. My "What Happened At The Pentagon" Topic appears at the LetsRoll Board under the name of ... guess who ... 'Terral.' You find the same name on the membership rolls of AE911Truth.org (search 'Terral') and the 'Tough Talk' Board and more places than you care to know about. Good luck finding 'the' 911Truth from any Gamolon, Fizzle or CandyAssCorn all hiding behind sockpuppet names that amount to 'no' credibility at all.

Any of the Official Cover Story Stooges 'can' work to elevate their current 'zero' credibility numbers by accepting my Challenge from the Opening Post of this Topic, but none will. Do you know why? That is very easy: They have 'no' credibility and 'no' evidence to support the Govt Story of what really happened on 9/11 ...

GL,

Terral

I'll post the same thing I did before.

Silly Terral.

I DID respond to your WTC7 thread, but after showing you how much of your evidence was crap (you even admitted a mistake in it), you ran off like a spanked child and refused to debate anymore.

You so much as told me you were "satisfied with your WTC7 evidence" and that was it.

I refuse to pick up another debate with you because once I start finding bullshit, you'll run like a coward again with your fingers in your ears saying "LALALALALALA".

Yeah, I can see why many people want to debate you. I mean ALL your subjects have been validated. Your predictions ALWAYS come true, you make NO mistakes, and you never EVER, get pulled in by any hype and push is as being truth.

NOOOoooooo.

Terral is SO well respected.

 

[slackjawed]

here is the answers to all the nutty twoofer claims;

"People in caves could not carry out the attack.

* This racist comment ignores the education and training of the terrorists. Bin Laden graduated from college a civil engineer and some of the terrorists are out of college
* You don't need government help or a university degree to scare passengers into thinking you have a bomb onboard.
* You don't need government help to turn off an airliner transponder and hide among hundreds of other airliners in the area

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Osama Bin Laden

It's the first time in history a steel frame high-rise collapsed

* It is not the first time a steel structure collapsed by fire
* It's also the first time in history an airliner rammed into a steel hi-rise building built like the towers (Tube in a Tube design)
* It's the first time in history a steel framed building built like Building 7 (Con Ed substation in the lower floors and a cantilever column core) was hit by another steel framed building.
* unprotected steel collapsed within 2 1/2 hours in Madrid fire without being hit by anything

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - First Time In History

They collapsed into their own footprint

* The floors of the towers fell straight down while the perimeter columns leaned out
* These buildings could not collapse any other way due to the design of the building. It was not a solid block.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Towers Collapse

Explosives were placed in the building during weekend power downs

* Controlled demolition of much smaller buildings take months.
* The power down can not be verified by any reliable source.

Controlled demolition -Debunk 9/11 Myths

A fireman said there were only two small fires in the towers

* The fireman was on the 78th floor, the lowest of the impact floors on fire.
* A wingtip was the only part of the airliner which entered the 78th floor.
* The 78th floor is a skylobby which wouldn't have much to burn
* The fires above the 78th floor had heavier fires which followed the fuel/combustibles.
* If there were only two small fires on the 78th floor just before collapse, it only agrees with the NIST report. Cooling trusses contracted and pulled the columns in because the fires moved to other areas.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - The Fires

The Madrid and Caracas tower fires lasted much longer yet those steel framed buildings never collapsed completely

* Neither building had the tube in a tube design used at the WTC
* Unlike the towers, both buildings had their steel columns encased in concrete
* The steel which was not protected with concrete in the Madrid towers also collapsed early on just like in the towers

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Madrid/Windsor Tower

The towers were built to withstand more than one airliner impact

* The NIST never said the impact collapsed the towers
* The towers DID withstand the impact. It was a combination of fire, impact damage and lack of fireproofing over the steel in the impact levels which collapsed the towers.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myth - Plane Impact

Ex UL employee (Underwriters Laboratory) Kevin Ryan says UL certified the steel of the towers which did not fail during testing for the NIST

* UL does not certify steel. They certify assemblies which included fireproofing on the steel
* Kevin Ryan worked as a water tester and did not have anything to do with the collapse investigation
* Mr. Ryan was let go from UL because he was making false statements about the company
* The steel assembly with 1/2 inch fireproofing was rated for only 45 minutes.
* UL never tested steel assemblies without fireproofing

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The towers lease owner was being forced to remove asbestos from the towers. It would have cost him billions of dollars to remove it all.

* The towers only had asbestos up to the 38th floor of one building.
* Asbestos does not need to be removed, only sealed with a spray on sealer.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The towers were white elephants and never reached full occupancy

* The towers were at full occupancy at least since February of 2001. It was at 90% in 1998.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Fires

The photos and videos of the bowed columns were due to light refraction

* Light refracts differently in different angles. It would be impossible for light to bend in refraction in exactly the same way on every camera and video lens regardless of angle
* The bow was only on one side of each building. Why didn't it refract around the whole building if it was a product of heat?
* Videos show the violent pull in of the columns at the beginning of global collapse. It would be impossible for it to be refracted light

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Sagging Trusses and Bowed Columns

The NIST changed their mind and said the buildings did not pancake

* The NIST never said pancaking caused the global collapse
* The NIST was talking about what they investigated which was the collapse initiation. The collapse did not start by pancaking
* There is photographic evidence of pancaking on ground zero which happened after collapse initiation

Towers Collapse - Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and controlled demolition

Silverstein said he "pulled" building 7. Pull is demolition terminology for blowing up the building

* "Pull" is not demolition terminology for blowing up buildings.
* Building 6 was literally pulled with cables which is why they said "We're about to pull building 6" in a PBS special.
* Silverstein say "they" made the decision and not Silverstein
* They made the decision to pull the rescue operation out.
* The fire commander's statements agree with Silverstein's statement
* Many firefighters said they were pulled away from building 7 because they feared the building would collapse

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

Building 7 only had a few small fires.

* Building 7's south side was covered by smoke for most of the event.
* Firefighters said the building's south side showed fires on multiple floors
* Firemen said the building was "fully involved"

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

Building 7 had no or little structural damage

* The firefighters put a transit on the building and concluded the building was going to collapse
* There was a very large gash in the building which ran from the top floor to at least the tenth floor
* Firemen said there was a 10 story hole in the middle of the building

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7

The towers fell at free fall/near free fall speed

* In every video and photo you can see the perimeter columns far outpacing the collapse.
* The building took over 12-16 seconds to completely collapse. The actual event was covered by debris so no one can say for sure. One rare video has the south tower collapsing at about 22 seconds.
* Conspiracy theorists cut their videos out when the perimeter columns hit the ground and not the building.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Free Fall

Molten Steel found weeks after the collapse indicates the use of thermite.

* No one has scientifically proven the molten substance was steel. Can even be molten glass coating steel or an aluminum mixed with something else
* Steel can burn/oxidize and would explain red hot steel
* The photo of firemen over a glowing hole in the ground cannot be molten steel. The heat would have been too great for the firemen
* Thermite cannot cut columns without large canisters all around the column
* No demolition in history ever had steel glow for weeks
* Thermite needs another primary charge to set it off. It would have exploded during impact explosion
* The amount of thermite needed to collapse the tower would have been massive. (Tons) Impossible to hide.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel

A Thermite reaction is seen flowing from a window in the south tower before it collapsed.

* The size of the flow would mean tons of thermite was in that corner of the building. Impossible to hide
* The flow turned grayish as it fell to the ground, more like aluminum
* The flow was seen only from one window which happen to be where the majority of the aluminum plane would have come to rest
* The molten flow changed its direction with the sagging floor. Thermite doesn't walk
* A UPS system on the 81st floor can account for the molten flow

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel

Squibs were seen coming from the buildings

* Because of the 'tube in a tube' design, each tower was about 95% air. Each story had an acre worth of floor space. The air from each story was compressed during the collapse. The air had to go someplace; out the window space, in staircases, down elevator shafts or other mechanical conduits. The compressed air is called "overpressure".
* Firemen who survived the collapse in the buildings core felt the overpressure strong enough to push them down the stairs. They called it a "hurricane wind".
* None of the so called "Squibs" could be seen before the collapse, which is evidence the collapse caused the effect.
* Other very heavy equipment could have fallen down open elevator shafts (Elevators and motors, etc...) and rammed into floors blowing out windows on the floors and expelling ceiling tile debris.
* The amount of these so called squibs are much smaller than would be expected in a controlled demolition, where charges are used on almost every floor.
* Videos show squibs working in reverse from an explosive blast. The amount of ejected debris increases as the collapse progresses. Explosives don't work that way. Energy in an explosive is released almost instantly and would not get stronger over time.
* What some say are squibs as building 7 collapses is nothing more than previously damaged exterior panels flapping about on a poor resolution internet video.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Squibs

People heard explosions indicating explosives were used

* Each floor had about an acre of 3" - 4 " concrete flooring. The sound of that plus office furniture and equipment collapsing on an office below would make a very loud boom.
* Steel snapping under tension would make a very loud boom.
* Large transformers exploding in the building would make a very loud boom.
* Large oil filled transformers exploding from the fire in WTC 7 could account for explosions heard in the building before collapsing
* Many of the people who said they heard explosions also said they realized it was the building collapsing causing the sound.
* Even bodies hitting the ground sounded like explosions to some people.
* Some say "It was like" before saying what they heard.
* People generally try to describe something hard to describe by saying it's like something most people know. Like the sound of a hurricane is often described as a freight train by survivors.
* You would expect a few people who are under attack by terrorists to think a loud boom is an explosive going off.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Explosions

"Scholars" say the collapse of the towers is impossible

* None of the conspiracy "scholars" have passed a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal saying the collapse of the towers was impossible.
* Many peer reviewed papers have been passed in respected scientific journals saying the towers collapsed from impact and fire alone.
* The few scholars who say they are structural engineers and are conspiracy theorists are not working in the field.
* Dr. Fetzer wrote books on JFK and moon landing conspiracies.
* Prof. Jones was a physicist who worked on cold fusion and not structural or civil engineering.
* Prof. Judy Woods was a dental engineer and did not have a job in structural engineering.
* Gordon Ross is not a structural engineer. None of his so called "papers" have passed peer review by a respected scientific journal. He hasn't made a single attempt in a respected journal.
* The scholars for 9/11 truth created their own journal which has no impact to the scientific community and is created by and for the conspiracy theorist community.
* Conspiracy theorists haven't tried to pass a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal. This proves they have little faith in their own work.
* Structural engineers in Jones own university call his hypothesis "very unreliable".

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and controlled demolition - Structural and Civil Engineers against Controlled Demolition

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - The Paper

Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse



Dr. Steven Jones says he found evidence of controlled demolition on Ground Zero in the form of Sulfur and Iron Spheres in the dust sample.

* Sulfur is found in gypsum board
* Iron Spheres come from flyash found in structural concrete, magnetic printer toner, torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup, aircraft impact, collapse,
* The iron-rich content of all dust samples was between 0.1 and 1.3%. Not high enough to suggest it came from large amounts of melted steel.
* Could have been there before collapse created during the construction of of one of the many buildings in NY.
* Iron Spheres could be created by oxidation or chemical reactions during moderate office fires.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth



They would only need a handful of people to pull it off

* They would have needed thousands for the conspiracy story to be true

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Massive Conspiracy

A large portion of the American population believe the government planned 9/11

* The polls are worded in a way to conflate the government hiding their incompetence with government involvement in 9/11.
* Only 4.2% believe the government blew up the towers. 26.5% believe the government let Bin Laden fly planes into the building. That number is well below the 34% who believe in UFO's
* If a large percentage of people believe the conspiracy story then why doesn't it show when they interrupt live events? Why no sympathy from the vast majority in attendance?

Challenge accepted, and conspiracy nutcase debunked!

Case closed.

Now Terral, leave the day room for the rest of the patients, you can't tie it up all day. Just go back to your room and the nurse will bring you cookies and warm milk.....

your challenge was met and you ran away and ignored it.

Why do you deserve more attention?

 

[Fizz]

lets all applaud terral. he is capable of starting his own topic. next week he will learn how to tell his right hand from his left hand without needing to look at the words "right" and "left" written on the tops of his shoes.

(i have no idea why this idiot thinks starting a topic is difficult or important but he seems impressed with himself that he can do it. so let's all cheer him just like we cheer the kids in the special olympics).

 

[slackjawed]

So everyone but terral is in agreement that when presented with an honest debate, he runs away, all the while accusing others of unwilling or unable to engage in debate.


mental illness proven!

 

[Gamolon]

your challenge was met and you ran away and ignored it.

Why do you deserve more attention?

Hmmm. This seems to be the general consensus about Terral nowadays.

Reminds me of a story...

"The dolt who cried wolf"

Or something like that.

 

[slackjawed]

lets all applaud terral. he is capable of starting his own topic. next week he will learn how to tell his right hand from his left hand without needing to look at the words "right" and "left" written on the tops of his shoes.

(i have no idea why this idiot thinks starting a topic is difficult or important but he seems impressed with himself that he can do it. so let's all cheer him just like we cheer the kids in the special olympics).

He also is delusional enough to ignore any and all posts made that dispute his treasonous version of history.

When he finnaly snaps and they round him up and put him a FEMA deathcamp, perhaps he will be more comfortable by the ability to deny reality......

 

[Terral]

Hi Fizzle and Slacker:

lets all applaud terral. he is capable of starting his own topic...

No. Let's applaud Terral, because Fizzle and Slacker are 'not' capable of starting 'your' 9/11 Topics with evidence to support Official Govt LIES ...

I may as well be asking these idiots to do brain surgery ... Start 'debunking' you morons ...

This Is What Happened On 9/11
Govt Documentation Proves 9/11 Inside Job
Flight 93/Shanksville
Flight 77/Pentagon
WTC-7 Controlled Demolition
9:32 AM First Explosion Can Break The Pentagon Case Wide Open
9:31
Pentagon Timeline
DoD Manipulated Fire And Firemen
Flight 77 Never Crashed Near The Pentagon
April Gallop Was Injured During 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike
9:31 AM Missile Strike: Answers To Bill Veale's Questions
"9/11 Press For Truth" Continues: The Video
Secret Bush-Clinton-FED Pakistani Accounts Linked To 9/11 Attacks
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove And Donald Rumsfeld Have Been Murdering Americans
Rebuttal To CIT Claims About What "Did Not" Hit The Pentagon
Poll: Who Supports The Official 9/11 Cover Stories

Economy/Politics

Tim Geithner Holds The Key To The Coming Economic Implosion
USA Headed For Greatest Depression
The Obama Deception
London Fleet Street News: USA Is About To Be Crushed
Jeff Macke Sees The Illusion And "Knows" The U.S. Economy Is IMPLODING
Citizen Grand Jury Indicts Obama

FEMA/Martial Law/Survival

Mexican Swine Flu Virus Could Be The Expected 9/11-like "Event"
Military Complex Prepares Mass Graves For U.S. Citizens
Secret March 13, 2009 Meeting Info About U.S. Occupation
Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In USA
China Invading Mexico
Martial Law Imminent USA 2009!
Surviving The Economic Collapse 2009
FBI Infringes Upon Second Amendment Rights of U.S. Citizens

Religion

Two Gospels of New Testament
Two Churches of New Testament
Baptisms
The Trinity Conspiracy
The Big Bang Theory Of Creation Is A MYTH
Differences Between God and My Father Who is IN HEAVEN
A True Homosexual Has Never Been Born
Rebuttal To Agnapostate's Scripture Fallibility Claims
The Mystery Of God's Hidden Wisdom
Christ Is The Man Of Heaven And Adam Is The Man Of The Earth

Technology

Pressure-Sheath Technology
Vapor-Plasma Integrated Engines

GL,

Terral

 

[Fizz]

both "slacker" and i have both started topics. you've been proven once again to be a LIAR.

 

[slackjawed]

notice treasonousterral still has not address the post i made, not once but twice.
Notice in my threads defending the official story, terral did nothing but deflect and insult.
Notice how treasonousterral proves with each and every post he makes that facts and reason are not on his side.

I suggest a new name for treasonousterral, Satan's little helper.

The lord of flies and lies gets more and more help from treasonousterral every day......

 

[Gamolon]

Hi Fizzle and Slacker:

lets all applaud terral. he is capable of starting his own topic...

No. Let's applaud Terral, because Fizzle and Slacker are 'not' capable of starting 'your' 9/11 Topics with evidence to support Official Govt LIES ...

I may as well be asking these idiots to do brain surgery ... Start 'debunking' you morons ...

This Is What Happened On 9/11
Govt Documentation Proves 9/11 Inside Job
Flight 93/Shanksville
Flight 77/Pentagon
WTC-7 Controlled Demolition
9:32 AM First Explosion Can Break The Pentagon Case Wide Open
9:31
Pentagon Timeline
DoD Manipulated Fire And Firemen
Flight 77 Never Crashed Near The Pentagon
April Gallop Was Injured During 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike
9:31 AM Missile Strike: Answers To Bill Veale's Questions
"9/11 Press For Truth" Continues: The Video
Secret Bush-Clinton-FED Pakistani Accounts Linked To 9/11 Attacks
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove And Donald Rumsfeld Have Been Murdering Americans
Rebuttal To CIT Claims About What "Did Not" Hit The Pentagon
Poll: Who Supports The Official 9/11 Cover Stories

Economy/Politics

Tim Geithner Holds The Key To The Coming Economic Implosion
USA Headed For Greatest Depression
The Obama Deception
London Fleet Street News: USA Is About To Be Crushed
Jeff Macke Sees The Illusion And "Knows" The U.S. Economy Is IMPLODING
Citizen Grand Jury Indicts Obama

FEMA/Martial Law/Survival

Mexican Swine Flu Virus Could Be The Expected 9/11-like "Event"
Military Complex Prepares Mass Graves For U.S. Citizens
Secret March 13, 2009 Meeting Info About U.S. Occupation
Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In USA
China Invading Mexico
Martial Law Imminent USA 2009!
Surviving The Economic Collapse 2009
FBI Infringes Upon Second Amendment Rights of U.S. Citizens

Religion

Two Gospels of New Testament
Two Churches of New Testament
Baptisms
The Trinity Conspiracy
The Big Bang Theory Of Creation Is A MYTH
Differences Between God and My Father Who is IN HEAVEN
A True Homosexual Has Never Been Born
Rebuttal To Agnapostate's Scripture Fallibility Claims
The Mystery Of God's Hidden Wisdom
Christ Is The Man Of Heaven And Adam Is The Man Of The Earth

Technology

Pressure-Sheath Technology
Vapor-Plasma Integrated Engines

GL,

Terral

Why should we debate you when history shows you run like a coward at the first sign of trouble?

You aren't worth it. You have no credibility in the prediction columns let alone in the theory column.

Once you get some credibility in either, maybe we'll talk. Until then, go piss up a rope.



GL,

Gamolon

 

[SFC Ollie]

Terral,

Some advice.

You have been debunked, spanked, bitchslapped, and owned more times than anyone I have ever seen on any board or chat room and I have been doing this for 15 years. I think it is time you found a new subject, you know get a new hobby to talk about. maybe basket weaving or water colors.

 

[Patriot911]

Terral, is it your position that Flight 93 was fake because nothing else like it had ever happened before?