Ten years is up.....time to release everyone from Gitmo

[g5000]

All this ranting and raving and cowering, all to cover up the inablity to explain how putting a criminal on trial would jeopardize our country.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I know the Constitution and the entire Bill of Rights by heart...

Very good.

Now learn its case law and you’ll be good to go.

 

[rightwinger]

Oh shut the fuck up, you don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights. You only care about the document when it supports YOUR partial political causes...

As a libertarian I find your post to be an insult...

The Bill of Rights only extends to NATURAL US citizens......

Nick, it really is sad that you did not pay attention when you were in school. Some of the crap you rant on here makes you look like an idiot

Public Schools are shit.

I know the Constitution and the entire Bill of Rights by heart...

Of course idiot fucks like yourself would probably say stupid shit (and I have seen you post) "separation of church and state.."

Nick, you really should have paid attention in school. Memorizing is not learning

You would not be looking like such an idiot

 

[Crackerjack]

Their are not citizens, and they are suspected to be engaged in an UNLAWFUL war against civilians of our country.

It doesn't matter that they aren't citizens, numbnuts.

God damn, how dense are you??

Yes it does, Read the Geneva Convention bud. Legally we can treat a Combatant from another country much differently that our own Constitution allows us to treat our own people.

Technically a legal argument can be made, that a Terrorist for example, caught in this country engages in attempting to commit acts of war against it, and not in the uniform of a country. Can be executed as a spy. We don't do it of course, but legally we could.

Clearly it does matter if they are US Citizens or not.

Fair enough.

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld

Put them on trial.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Again, acknowledging due process with regard to the detainees is for our benefit, not theirs.

 

[rightwinger]

Again, acknowledging due process with regard to the detainees is for our benefit, not theirs.

The feeling of safety will be short lived

The lasting damage to the reputation of the United States will be forever

 

[bodecea]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

Oh shut the fuck up, you don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights. You only care about the document when it supports YOUR partial political causes...

As a libertarian I find your post to be an insult...

The Bill of Rights only extends to NATURAL US citizens......

 

[dblack]

Liberals love using the constitution when it comes to helping groups they favor, but not a peep when it comes to using the commerce clause to get us on the path to universal health care.

Agreed. But that's another thread.

They're not there for being nice people. They are there for the wanton stalking and murder of United States Citizens. Their recidivism rate runs around 95% of returning to lives of murder plots on Americans. Over here repeat serial criminals at some time are remanded to custody without the possibility of parole for less violent crimes than those perpetuated by GITMO detainees. Every one you let out hopes to take out 1,000 Americans some day and works his life to that end. The only way it ain't gonna happen is if we remand them to serving their life sentences where they cannot harm themselves and others.

No they are not

The vast majority had no involvement in 9-11. If we believe they are guilty of crimes, we need to prove it.

Basic premise of the Bill of Rights

Is that you Ron Paul?

Isn't it interesting that he's the only one standing up for constitutionally limited government in both cases?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Plasma, my kids said you tried to message me the other day. You trying to corrupt my girls with your liberal ways? LOL

 

[Avatar4321]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

Since when are enemy combatants entitled to a speedy trial? They aren't accused of crimes. They're freaking prisoners taken in war. Those are two totally different sets of rules.

 

[dblack]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

Since when are enemy combatants entitled to a speedy trial? They aren't accused of crimes. They're freaking prisoners taken in war. Those are two totally different sets of rules.

It's not a war.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Plasma, my kids said you tried to message me the other day. You trying to corrupt my girls with your liberal ways? LOL

yes i am.....

I said socialism rocks! and they where like we never heard of this!? tell me more and i was like BINGO!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ky-N0J9Yo&feature=youtube_gdata_player]Oh my God they killed kenny! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JoeB131]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

Since when are enemy combatants entitled to a speedy trial? They aren't accused of crimes. They're freaking prisoners taken in war. Those are two totally different sets of rules.

Prisoner of war would indicate that they have rights under the Geneva Convention, including the right to NOT answer questions. So we haven't been following those rules, either.

Here's the real problem. We can't put them on trial because most of the evidence we have on them has been tainted by "enhanced interrogation techniques". We can't treat them as POW's because that would imply that at a certain point, we declare hostilities over and have to release them, despite their crimes.

 

[mudwhistle]

I have to agree...time to have trials of some sort. I disagree with those who say they are to have public trials since if there is ANY inkling of remotely compromising any security assets of the US, we should err on the side of protecting those assets.

My big question is the charges and what the punishment would be.

Simple....ask them if they intend on going back to their old murdering ways.

If they say yes, then put a bullet in their brain.

Don't forget the waterboard

Yes, another example of how liberals love coddling the enemy.

Folks in the Middle East know they can always count on the American Left to give them aid if they ever declare war against us.

Defending the indefensible is their bread and butter. I remember how ridiculous your argument would sound in the months following 9/11. Now you feel you're being humane. Instead you're really just being manipulated.

 

[Seawytch]

Denying people the right to challenge their detention or a trial is one of those things we used to could righteously condemn dictatorships for, no more. Not sure losing the moral high ground in this area was worth it.

No, losing the moral high ground isn't worth it, but we lost that when we started torturing people.

 

[rightwinger]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

Since when are enemy combatants entitled to a speedy trial? They aren't accused of crimes. They're freaking prisoners taken in war. Those are two totally different sets of rules.

Since the US Supreme Court ruled they are entitled to the protections of the Constitution

 

[NoNukes]

Simple....ask them if they intend on going back to their old murdering ways.

If they say yes, then put a bullet in their brain.

Don't forget the waterboard

Yes, another example of how liberals love coddling the enemy.

Folks in the Middle East know they can always count on the American Left to give them aid if they ever declare war against us.

Defending the indefensible is their bread and butter. I remember how ridiculous your argument would sound in the months following 9/11. Now you feel you're being humane. Instead you're really just being manipulated.

The argument is the same whenever.

 

[ClosedCaption]

We are a nation of laws. One of our most cherished documents is the Bill of Rights which guarantees the right to a speedy trial, right to see the evidence against you and right to face your accuser

We, as a nation have done none of that and hold men who are "suspected" of being terrorists in indefinite detention. Isn't it time to put up or shut up and either try or release these men?

yep, fo sho.. it's time for another 9-11. let em go for gawd's sake.

 

[MikeK]

Personally, I like the idea of military tribunals.

Hell, I'd even take a press conference. Run through the list and say, "As to detainee X, he was engaged in Y activities and we know because of this evidence ..., as to detainee A, he was planning B activities, and we know because of this evidence ..."

I agree.

Give us something other than the word of the same sonsabitches who gave us the WMD hype. I'm amazed and saddened by how many good Americans are willing to believe without question what such criminals as Donald Rumsfeld tells them. The man is a war mongering scoundre and principal patron of the Military Industrial Complex. He belongs in prison.

 

[MikeK]

They don't need a day in court but rather a date with the executioner.

What specific offenses are you referencing to justify executing, or even imprisoning, these people? And if you intend to impose the word, "terrorism," please include specific descriptions of their actions. What did they do and how do we know they did it?

I'm not being a smart-ass. These are valid, important, and necessary questions.