Tell Democratic Senators on Super Committee NO cuts to SS, Medicare, or Medicaid.

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    This email arrived today from 'Save Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid,' please respond, let your voice be heard.

    Dear Friend,

    It's official: There's now a bipartisan consensus on the Super Committee to cut Medicare benefits.


    The Republicans have a longstanding desire to dismantle Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. But according to recent news reports, a majority of Democrats on the Super Committee just proposed their own plan to reduce the deficit that included slashing Medicare benefits by $200 billion.1

    It's hard to image how the Democrats on the Super Committee could be any more out-of-touch or wrongheaded.

    In the face of massive unemployment, rampant foreclosures, a sputtering economy and widespread anger that the country is systematically prioritizing the needs of the ultra-rich and wealthy corporations over the needs of the other 99% of us, the Democrats who support this plan think the best thing to do is make it harder and more expensive for seniors and the less fortunate to get medical care.

    Tell Harry Reid and the Democratic senators on the Super Committee: Absolutely no cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits. Click here to automatically sign the petition.

    Tell Senate Democrats: Absolutely no cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits We need to make sure Democrats understand that rather than supporting benefit cuts, it would be better if the automatic cuts specified in the legislation that created the Super Committee are triggered. But we have an uphill fight.

    Reportedly, the benefit cuts plan proposed by the Democrats on the Super Committee had been agreed to by President Obama in negotiations with John Boehner over raising the debt ceiling.

    This means we can't rely on President Obama vetoing a bad deficit reduction bill that makes it out of the Super Committee and passes Congress.

    It also means the best way to stop a bad deal is to build so much political pressure at the outset that it never gets off the ground.

    The Democrats' plan was rejected by the Republicans because it included some tax increases. But the proposal demonstrates an alarming willingness to cave on core economic issues despite the vital role Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security play in our society and the widespread unpopularity of benefit cuts to these programs.

    And recent history has shown us how Democrats intent on cutting a deal with Republicans will move from a bad deal to one that's worse.

    It's more important than ever that we speak out and draw a line in the sand on benefit cuts to Medicare, Medicare and Social Security. We can't wait until a bad deal is cut in the Super Committee. We need to speak out now.

    Tell Harry Reid and the Democratic senators on the Super Committee: Absolutely no cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits. Click here to automatically sign the petition.
    http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=231766&id=29579-3299452-CTathZx&t=13


    Matt Lockshin, Campaign Manager
     
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    Pffft.

    Junk the friggn' Ponzi schemes.

    BTW, nice spam. :rolleyes:
     
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    Why not ask a disabled or senior citizen if they think Social Security is a ponzi scheme? Like Rick Perry you grabbed onto a stupid remark, and Republicans are trying to turn it into an issue - FAIL.

    Here come the facts.

    All will know you have no idea what a ponzi scheme is, and that neither you nor Rick Perry know what you are talking about. Is Social Security a Ponzi Scheme? - Washington Wire - WSJ

    Strictly speaking, the metaphor is misleading. A Ponzi scheme, named after Boston conman Charles Ponzi, is a fraudulent investment operation. In its essential design it’s a con. Investors don’t earn interest and instead are paid off by other dupes. Because these schemes require an ever-increasing number of new participants to pay off earlier investors, they inevitably collapse.

    Social Security isn’t an individual investment plan. It’s a government insurance plan that offers seniors a predictable income. Retirees do indeed depend on future workers to pay their Social Security benefits, though unlike a Ponzi scheme, nobody pretends otherwise. The notion of this kind of inter-generational transfer is baked into the policy. And unlike regular investments, participants in Social Security don’t own their accounts (although many conservatives would like to see such a change). If you die before you become eligible, your estate doesn’t get the money. If you live longer than average, you get more.


    In other words, Rick Perry is full of shit, and you can join him.
     
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    Deflect and change the subject much?...My asking the recipient of the loot doesn't change the fact.

    Both Medicare and Socialist Insecurity are classic Ponzi schemes...Well, with the exception that I have a choice as to whether I'll give a crook like Bernie Madoff my money or not.
     
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    Oh, the old righty "red herring ploy." Post #3 provides two links to data supporting the premise that Social Security is not a ponzi scheme. Some anonymous poster known only as "Oddball" (most appropriate) offers no facts, no links, and no supporting data, and expects us to just take his uninformed opinion? Posters in USMB are smarter than that.

    Oh, and Oddball.......you forgot the name-calling. A righty post is just not complete without name-calling.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring
    to the rhetorical or literary tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.​

     
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    Logical Fallacy: Red Herring

    IOW a red herring is a stupid knee-jerk retort like; "Why not ask a disabled or senior citizen if they think Social Security is a ponzi scheme?", numbnutz.

    You really suck at this...Mebby you should take up scrapbooking.
     
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    No. The term "Red Herring" is a way of politely saying. "You have no point to make, so you are trying to change the subject." Do you even know what the topic of this thread is?

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    1935, signing of the Social Security Act by President Roosevelt.​


    The subject of this thread is;

    Tell Democratic Senators on Super Committee NO cuts to SS, Medicare, or Medicaid.​
     
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    Read Oddone for grins and chuckles, but he literally has no concept of economics or finance, simply none, so he mutters and splutters.

    To the point: medicare and medicaid can't be touched. SS can be tweaked with means testing, increased taxable upper limits, and later retirement. Also keep SS taxes in the SS fund: no diversion for anything. Do that, and all Americans will be treatly fairly (including the Odd Ones), and the economy will benefit.
     
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    Right...Which is why bush league simpletons go for red herring appeals to emotions like; "Why not ask a disabled or senior citizen if they think Social Security is a ponzi scheme?" right off the top of the deck.

    The topic of the thread is you whining and crying about keeping the two biggest financial drains on the taxpayer afloat, followed by you trying to deflect your way out of the fact that the two of them are the biggest unsustainable Ponzi schemes of all time.
     
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    First off, they are not ponzi schemes. Just because two things share a few things in common doesn't mean they are the same thing. If thats true, then you must admit that republicans are nazi's, as per some stupid post a read earlier. Further if you refuse to admit that, then you must at least admit that ALL types of insurance are ponzi schemes, including but not limited to, health, dental, life, car etc... Also all banks must be considered ponzi institutions and capitalism as the biggest ponzi scheme ever.
    But I digress, Medicare needs to be fixed, it is a problem now, and that problem should be adressed. Personally I would suggest raising the age limit by one month for each of the next 12 years, while searching for other ways to trim costs without hurting the overall plan further. SS so far has contributed 0 to the national debt. While right now it is losing money it is still projected to "go back in the black" in a few years before turning red permanently. It does not need to be adressed right now, but it will need to be adressed in the near future.
     
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