Tea with terrorists

[Saigon]

Thanatos -

And when you have some facts, links, historical references and so forth to back up your case - by all means post them on the thread concerned.

We both know you won't.

 

[thanatos144]

Thanatos -

And when you have some facts, links, historical references and so forth to back up your case - by all means post them on the thread concerned.

We both know you won't.

You want historical references???? PRC,Nazi, USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, ect ect ect

 

[Saigon]

I think you'll need to do a little better than a list of one right wing political theory; plus four socialist countries and one populist dictatorship - none of whom were fascists!

It seems fairly clear at this point that you have absolutely no idea at all what the topic is.

 

[thanatos144]

I think you'll need to do a little better than a list of one right wing political theory; plus four socialist countries and one populist dictatorship - none of whom were fascists!

It seems fairly clear at this point that you have absolutely no idea at all what the topic is.

And the dishonest bullshit for you keeps coming....Go away little bitch I am done showing you as the lying idiot you are.

 

[Saigon]

I think you'll need to do a little better than a list of one right wing political theory; plus four socialist countries and one populist dictatorship - none of whom were fascists!

It seems fairly clear at this point that you have absolutely no idea at all what the topic is.

And the dishonest bullshit for you keeps coming....Go away little bitch I am done showing you as the lying idiot you are.

Are you, really?

And yet you have not produced a single link, reference or source to refute 60 years of historical knowledge.

Come on man - why not at least try and present a case!

 

[thanatos144]

I think you'll need to do a little better than a list of one right wing political theory; plus four socialist countries and one populist dictatorship - none of whom were fascists!

It seems fairly clear at this point that you have absolutely no idea at all what the topic is.

And the dishonest bullshit for you keeps coming....Go away little bitch I am done showing you as the lying idiot you are.

Are you, really?

And yet you have not produced a single link, reference or source to refute 60 years of historical knowledge.

Come on man - why not at least try and present a case!

Crack open a book you ignorant fool.

 

[Erand7899]

Obamanation -

Please try and stay on topic.

Are you aware of Reagan's meetings with terrorists from more than one country, and how do you feel about that?

Nothing to do with Iran. If you don't know what I mean, say so.

Please post conservative origin materials on Reagan's mettings with terorrists...

I'd love to learn the truth...

I doubt you will love it, but you certainly should be aware of it.

Check out the relationship between Mobutu Sese of the DRC and Reagan to start with. Sese i one of the most corrupt and violent leader the world has ever known, but enjoyed a close friendship with first Nixon and then Reagan, and was a frequent visitor to the White House.

Remarks of President Reagan and President Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire Following Their Meeting

Mobutu Sese Seko was a corrupt and brutal African Dictator, but what evidence do you have that he was a terrorist? BTW, Mobutu had much closer ties to Belgium and France than he did with any American president.

 

[Saigon]

Thanatos -

Um....I believe in the thread in question I cited around 8 major histories - I know I linked to Ian Kershaw's and Michael Marris's classis works on this topic.

I also linked to 3 dictionaries and around a half dozen political encyclopedias.

There are no books which back your argument.

 

[Saigon]

Mobutu Sese Seko was a corrupt and brutal African Dictator, but what evidence do you have that he was a terrorist? BTW, Mobutu had much closer ties to Belgium and France than he did with any American president.

How was he NOT a terrorist?

He ordered people killed, was involved in terror strikes before taking power as well as during his terms in office, and made the use of torture and murder everyday occurances in Africa.

If your point is that one can not be a terrorist while head of state - I would point out that the ICC has just imprisoned Charles Taylor for inciting genocide while he was head of state.

And yes, Nixon was not Mobutu's only friend. France and Belgium are culpable, too. I just find it hilarious that Obama is accused of befriending terrorists when every US President in the past 40 year has done worse!

 

[Obamanation]

but, befriending terrorists was never my charge.

My charge is his foolishness in thinking that you can be nice to Islamic thugs and expect them to capitulate.

The muslin Brotherhood has their own personal interest in the middle east and they are using Obama's - 'babe in the woods' policies as an opportunity to achieve their goals.

This notion of having a sitdown with the likes of Ahmadinajad or Chavez to try to guide their actions is foolish.

...and Saigon why did you ignore my last post of length? Our interests in the middle east are challanged by Obama's leadership in that regard. Our interest in the middle east is Israel! Obama's interest in the middle east is peace. -- OBAMA is a naive fool and his policy is a threat to our only ally in the region!

If you want to know how to deal with these lunatics, you need to ignore what they say and watch their actions.

You can't change their way Islam views America, Israel, or western values because the basis for their existance is to destroy us!!

 

[Obamanation]

Obamanation -

Ah, I see. So now you'd like to have Qaddafi back, or what?

A things stand, all 3 countries (Libya, Egypt and Tunisia) have governments which are more pro-western and more peaceful than they did a year or so ago.

So really any objective person is going to welcome that.

What the US right wing SHOULD be doing is getting in behind those moderate governments and showing support for those leader. It's a shame partisanhip prevents that, so that you may end up backing nutvase extremists again - just as you did with the Mujahadeen.

See this is where we have real differences. You ask me if I'd like to have Qaddafi back -- he wasn't my leader -- but I know when he was their leader Sirya wasn't going to work with 4 other muslim nations in an effort to stregthen muslim interests. So, would I like him back in charge --- I dunno, very hard to say whats best or worst. Sometimes it may be best to not pick a side.

You say that all 3 are more "pro-western" than they were 3 years ago. How do we really know where their heart lies? They are saying what they think we want to hear for the most part, but their book of worship specifically tells them to war with anyone who doesn;t share their beliefs. The results of this belief go back to the beginning of recorded history. Can you really have a "pro-western" muslim.

I am a practicing Christian who holds no hate for muslims. I only put that as a preface.

If I find a Christian who doesn't practice the guides put forth in the Bible I consider that they back-slid. Apply the same logic to a muslim. Their book tells them to kill infidels - if that isn't their intention they have back-slid.

The bottom line is that a "good" muslim, like a "good" Christian trys to follow the guides of the book that defines their beliefs. As long as they carry the faith along, there will ALWAYS, be "good" muslims looking to kill infidels.

So here we are, giving them assistance by allowing the dominant factions to elevate in multiple countries creating an organized muslim world - telling us everything we want to hear.

I'm sure you won't see my points (at least entirely), but frankly, it's almost as scary to me as the imminent financial crisis that our country will face in the next 5-10 years if we don't quit borrowing .40 of every dollar our gov't spends.

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[Vast LWC]

So... Let's see if I have this straight...

You people are claiming that there were no terrorists in Libya until Qaddafi was ousted?

Or are you claiming that Obama is somehow soft on Al Qaeda?

Either one of those claims would be utter bullshit.

 

[Vast LWC]

Honestly, you jackasses will use anything to score a few political points.

Hell, the right wing machine probably made the movie in the first place, and made sure it was translated to Arabic and sent over to right people just in time for the elections.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[Obamanation]

So... Let's see if I have this straight...

You people are claiming that there were no terrorists in Libya until Qaddafi was ousted?

Or are you claiming that Obama is somehow soft on Al Qaeda?

Either one of those claims would be utter bullshit.

Funny how leftists ALWAYS make claims as to what people say that are TOTALLY untrue...

Where did anyone say there were no terrorists in Libya while Qaddafi was in command??

When did ANYONE mention Al Qaeda?

The only BS is YOUR post.

 

[Obamanation]

Honestly, you jackasses will use anything to score a few political points.

Hell, the right wing machine probably made the movie in the first place, and made sure it was translated to Arabic and sent over to right people just in time for the elections.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least.

So you are unable to discuss any content that is actually in this thread...

You are good at spouting accusations and demigogging though. You must watch Chris Matthews a bunch!