Tea Party is the biggest threat to the GOP

[Redfish]

Do you mind, then, when someone who supports the Tea Party talks about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as negatives, when they propose shutting down several government agencies? Do you think that appeals to moderates and independents?

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the tea party has loons like every other group,. The things you mentioned are not tea party policies. Once again you seem to be a victim of media lies and propaganda.

Go to a tea party rally, listen to what is being said. Go on the website, look at the policies that are being promoted. its not even close to what the libs are saying. the left is very afraid of a pro-constitution, pro-freedom movement because it will rob the government of some of its control, and rob the dems of much of their financial backing.

Shutting down the government was a Tea Party Policy
Defaulting on our debt is a Tea Party Policy
No compromise is a Tea Party Policy

wrong on all 3

obama shut down the govt, no party or congress has the power to do that
no one has said we should default, just balance the budget and begin to pay off the debt--how radical!
no compromise with failed socialism is the right thing to do. on that topic, where has obama offered to compromise?

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

Which makes Tea Partiers, at least the ones elected to serve, totally irresponsible and financially wreckless on the one point that is SUPPOSED to be their raison d'etre: fiscal responsibility.

It's hard for me to have any respect at all for a Tea Partier.

accepting the lies of the left wing is a choice that you can make. No one really cares what you think.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The moderate vs conservative war in the Republican Party has been going on since Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. It went ballistic when they had to choose between Rockefeller and Goldwater. Now, the conservative wing is on warp drive. The two sides would not even be able to decide where to have lunch, much less agree on a platform. Since the moderates have always been about compromise and pragmatism, it is the Conservatives who leave their fingerprints on policy and platform of the republicans. Trying to get the majority of Americans to agree to their extremism is a hopeless task. So far the republicans have been able to get away with letting the conservatives pick the election agenda, and then the moderates only give lib service to the same after the election (Reagan was a master at doing that). The Tea Party is getting wise to that, and are starting to hold the moderates accountable after elections. This is where the real fun begins....

And that is the entire reason why I took Mike Huckabee quite seriously when he complained that he may very well bolt from the GOP if the GOP becomes accepting of gay marriage - a social issue that has nothing in the world to do with fiscal responsibility, which is what the Tea Party CLAIMS to be about.

I see a real possibility of the GOP splitting into two separate parties.

It has happened before, when Teddy Roosevelt lost the nomination to Taft in 1912, and formed the Bull Moose Party, which gave the presidency to democrat Wilson.

Indeed.

 

[Statistikhengst]

the tea party has loons like every other group,. The things you mentioned are not tea party policies. Once again you seem to be a victim of media lies and propaganda.

Go to a tea party rally, listen to what is being said. Go on the website, look at the policies that are being promoted. its not even close to what the libs are saying. the left is very afraid of a pro-constitution, pro-freedom movement because it will rob the government of some of its control, and rob the dems of much of their financial backing.

Shutting down the government was a Tea Party Policy
Defaulting on our debt is a Tea Party Policy
No compromise is a Tea Party Policy

wrong on all 3

obama shut down the govt, no party or congress has the power to do that
no one has said we should default, just balance the budget and begin to pay off the debt--how radical!
no compromise with failed socialism is the right thing to do. on that topic, where has obama offered to compromise?

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

Which makes Tea Partiers, at least the ones elected to serve, totally irresponsible and financially wreckless on the one point that is SUPPOSED to be their raison d'etre: fiscal responsibility.

It's hard for me to have any respect at all for a Tea Partier.

accepting the lies of the left wing is a choice that you can make. No one really cares what you think.

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

 

[Redfish]

The moderate vs conservative war in the Republican Party has been going on since Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. It went ballistic when they had to choose between Rockefeller and Goldwater. Now, the conservative wing is on warp drive. The two sides would not even be able to decide where to have lunch, much less agree on a platform. Since the moderates have always been about compromise and pragmatism, it is the Conservatives who leave their fingerprints on policy and platform of the republicans. Trying to get the majority of Americans to agree to their extremism is a hopeless task. So far the republicans have been able to get away with letting the conservatives pick the election agenda, and then the moderates only give lib service to the same after the election (Reagan was a master at doing that). The Tea Party is getting wise to that, and are starting to hold the moderates accountable after elections. This is where the real fun begins....

And that is the entire reason why I took Mike Huckabee quite seriously when he complained that he may very well bolt from the GOP if the GOP becomes accepting of gay marriage - a social issue that has nothing in the world to do with fiscal responsibility, which is what the Tea Party CLAIMS to be about.

I see a real possibility of the GOP splitting into two separate parties.

It has happened before, when Teddy Roosevelt lost the nomination to Taft in 1912, and formed the Bull Moose Party, which gave the presidency to democrat Wilson.

Indeed.

yes, and a third party in 2016 would elect HRC or whoever the dem/libs run. Third parties ensure the victory of the worst candidate.

 

[2aguy]

spends a lot of time hating on gays and minorities.

Yeah...what part of lower taxes and less government covers any sort of hate for gays....ohhhhh...that's right....you've been listening to the democrats...anyone who wants taxes lowered, and the government to spend less money....they pick one of the "hate" cards...you picked gays....you know you also have a nice choice when you choose "hate" women..."hate" old people...."hate" minorities....at least when you are brainwashed by the democrats to resist the very things we need to do to actually fix problems they give you a choice in the parrot like talking points you are expected to vomit out...

 

[Redfish]

Shutting down the government was a Tea Party Policy
Defaulting on our debt is a Tea Party Policy
No compromise is a Tea Party Policy

wrong on all 3

obama shut down the govt, no party or congress has the power to do that
no one has said we should default, just balance the budget and begin to pay off the debt--how radical!
no compromise with failed socialism is the right thing to do. on that topic, where has obama offered to compromise?

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

Which makes Tea Partiers, at least the ones elected to serve, totally irresponsible and financially wreckless on the one point that is SUPPOSED to be their raison d'etre: fiscal responsibility.

It's hard for me to have any respect at all for a Tea Partier.

accepting the lies of the left wing is a choice that you can make. No one really cares what you think.

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

give us some proof of the "horrible things that many of them say".

we will be waiting, quotes from left wing blogs are not acceptable.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The moderate vs conservative war in the Republican Party has been going on since Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. It went ballistic when they had to choose between Rockefeller and Goldwater. Now, the conservative wing is on warp drive. The two sides would not even be able to decide where to have lunch, much less agree on a platform. Since the moderates have always been about compromise and pragmatism, it is the Conservatives who leave their fingerprints on policy and platform of the republicans. Trying to get the majority of Americans to agree to their extremism is a hopeless task. So far the republicans have been able to get away with letting the conservatives pick the election agenda, and then the moderates only give lib service to the same after the election (Reagan was a master at doing that). The Tea Party is getting wise to that, and are starting to hold the moderates accountable after elections. This is where the real fun begins....

And that is the entire reason why I took Mike Huckabee quite seriously when he complained that he may very well bolt from the GOP if the GOP becomes accepting of gay marriage - a social issue that has nothing in the world to do with fiscal responsibility, which is what the Tea Party CLAIMS to be about.

I see a real possibility of the GOP splitting into two separate parties.

It has happened before, when Teddy Roosevelt lost the nomination to Taft in 1912, and formed the Bull Moose Party, which gave the presidency to democrat Wilson.

Indeed.

yes, and a third party in 2016 would elect HRC or whoever the dem/libs run. Third parties ensure the victory of the worst candidate.

lol....

 

[Iceweasel]

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

We? I see, you part of the collective thought process of the left. Nothing sounds worse to me than "you didn't build that business" or the constant demagoguery of how the right stands for abuse if they disagree with more and more government.

 

[Statistikhengst]

wrong on all 3

obama shut down the govt, no party or congress has the power to do that
no one has said we should default, just balance the budget and begin to pay off the debt--how radical!
no compromise with failed socialism is the right thing to do. on that topic, where has obama offered to compromise?

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

Which makes Tea Partiers, at least the ones elected to serve, totally irresponsible and financially wreckless on the one point that is SUPPOSED to be their raison d'etre: fiscal responsibility.

It's hard for me to have any respect at all for a Tea Partier.

accepting the lies of the left wing is a choice that you can make. No one really cares what you think.

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

give us some proof of the "horrible things that many of them say".

we will be waiting, quotes from left wing blogs are not acceptable.

Google is your friend. I am not your secretary.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

We? I see, you part of the collective thought process of the left. Nothing sounds worse to me than "you didn't build that business" or the constant demagoguery of how the right stands for abuse if they disagree with more and more government.

Lovely butthurt.

 

[Redfish]

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

Which makes Tea Partiers, at least the ones elected to serve, totally irresponsible and financially wreckless on the one point that is SUPPOSED to be their raison d'etre: fiscal responsibility.

It's hard for me to have any respect at all for a Tea Partier.

accepting the lies of the left wing is a choice that you can make. No one really cares what you think.

Unfortunately for you, the voting records of those Tea Party representatives, plus the horrible things that many of them say, is public record. You see, we don't like a a world of unicorns like you.

give us some proof of the "horrible things that many of them say".

we will be waiting, quotes from left wing blogs are not acceptable.

Google is your friend. I am not your secretary.

translation = I can't back up the claim.

 

[Redfish]

The moderate vs conservative war in the Republican Party has been going on since Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. It went ballistic when they had to choose between Rockefeller and Goldwater. Now, the conservative wing is on warp drive. The two sides would not even be able to decide where to have lunch, much less agree on a platform. Since the moderates have always been about compromise and pragmatism, it is the Conservatives who leave their fingerprints on policy and platform of the republicans. Trying to get the majority of Americans to agree to their extremism is a hopeless task. So far the republicans have been able to get away with letting the conservatives pick the election agenda, and then the moderates only give lib service to the same after the election (Reagan was a master at doing that). The Tea Party is getting wise to that, and are starting to hold the moderates accountable after elections. This is where the real fun begins....

And that is the entire reason why I took Mike Huckabee quite seriously when he complained that he may very well bolt from the GOP if the GOP becomes accepting of gay marriage - a social issue that has nothing in the world to do with fiscal responsibility, which is what the Tea Party CLAIMS to be about.

I see a real possibility of the GOP splitting into two separate parties.

It has happened before, when Teddy Roosevelt lost the nomination to Taft in 1912, and formed the Bull Moose Party, which gave the presidency to democrat Wilson.

Indeed.

yes, and a third party in 2016 would elect HRC or whoever the dem/libs run. Third parties ensure the victory of the worst candidate.

lol....

glad that the truth amuses you------------------Duh, Perot, Wallace.

 

[CowboyTed]

Do you mind, then, when someone who supports the Tea Party talks about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as negatives, when they propose shutting down several government agencies? Do you think that appeals to moderates and independents?

.

the tea party has loons like every other group,. The things you mentioned are not tea party policies. Once again you seem to be a victim of media lies and propaganda.

Go to a tea party rally, listen to what is being said. Go on the website, look at the policies that are being promoted. its not even close to what the libs are saying. the left is very afraid of a pro-constitution, pro-freedom movement because it will rob the government of some of its control, and rob the dems of much of their financial backing.

Shutting down the government was a Tea Party Policy
Defaulting on our debt is a Tea Party Policy
No compromise is a Tea Party Policy

wrong on all 3

obama shut down the govt, no party or congress has the power to do that
no one has said we should default, just balance the budget and begin to pay off the debt--how radical!
no compromise with failed socialism is the right thing to do. on that topic, where has obama offered to compromise?

Teatard revisionist history does not change the facts. Teatards forced the shutdown. TeaTards celirated the shutdown. Teatards fought to keep the shutdown from ending

nope, you are the revisionist. obama shut down the government. obama put barracades around national monuments. the minority of tea party members of congress had no power to shut down anything.

obama shut it down because he refused to consider any compromise on the budget. obama shut it down the way Hitler shut down debate in pre-WW2 Germany. BTW, Hitler also had a policy of taking guns from ordinary citizens-----------sound familiar?

There is some thing close to climincal delusions going on in your head.. When it rains do you blame liberals too... What ever you say about Obama the GOP and Tea Partiers have had said no compromise from the 1st day... Obama gave you a Healthcare law which the GOP wrote 15 years earlier... He has run a presidency not much different to Reagan's...

When I am pissed off with Obama it is because he forgot he won the election and why is he pandering to loosers... Majotity of America think Tea Partiers are wrong... leave it there...

 

[rightwinger]

It is the same base that used to belong to The John Birch Society. They hold many of the same views. But by being unwilling to work for common ground, to demand strict compliance, the Tea Party makes it easy for Dems to wrap all Republicans up in Tea Party rhetoric and use them as an example of how out of touch Republicans remain

expecting the government to adhere to the constitution is not a radical concept. Ignoring the constitutiion as obama has done IS a radical concept.

but we get it, since your socialist kenyan messiah has failed miserably, all you can do is denigrate the competition with lies. We get it, and that also will fail.

Our government adheres to the Constitution. If the Tea Party has a different interpretation of the Constitution, they are welcome to prove it in a court of law

It has been done thousands of times

Obama should be sued for his constitutional violations. but its not likely in an election year. be patient.

Doesn't look to likely on Constitutional grounds

Nonpartisan report finds no legal basis for GOP lawsuit against Obama - The Week

we will see. posting a left wing blog article is meaningless, but if it makes you feel better---------

The Congressional Research Service is not left wing

They say you are full of shit

 

[CowboyTed]

Could be. I'm wrong all the freakin' time, just ask my wife.

From what I can tell, the Tea Party thinks that there are enough votes in the GOP to not need independents and moderates.

Is that correct?

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not even close. independents and moderates decide elections. Thats why the GOP is likely to take the senate next week.

The tea party is not a party, it is a movement toward sane fiscal policy, sane fiscal policy, limited government, individual freedom, and a business-friendly tax policy.

anyone who considers those ideas as radical, is a radical.

Actually that was the start of policy... but the main players in the tea party have a very social conservative positions as well..

But why argue, we have just conducted a 4 year study in the great state of Kansas...
The Great Kansas Tea Party Disaster Rolling Stone

So to round up simply, a disaster... Much like communism the tea party agenda looks great on paper but disaster in real life.

Kansas is going to vote for a Democratic Governor... Normally Democrats are used as target practice in Kansas.

the people deserve what they vote for. thats the way it works. obama won twice, the country deserves the mess he created. if your state does the same, it deserves the results.

California is not a tax dollar welfare state, like Mississippi and Alabama. Jerry Brown has done a great job with the budget and deficit in our state. So much so the Republicans can't figure out how to criticize him.

I'm better off now than I was in 2008

and Cal is how many hundreds of millions in debt? how may california citizens are on welfare? how many are unemployed? how many illegals are receiving state benefits?

good for you if you are better off, but your state is not.

Facts are Red states are handout states, sucking on the Federal tit.... The Blue states are the payers...

 

[rightwinger]

The moderate vs conservative war in the Republican Party has been going on since Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. It went ballistic when they had to choose between Rockefeller and Goldwater. Now, the conservative wing is on warp drive. The two sides would not even be able to decide where to have lunch, much less agree on a platform. Since the moderates have always been about compromise and pragmatism, it is the Conservatives who leave their fingerprints on policy and platform of the republicans. Trying to get the majority of Americans to agree to their extremism is a hopeless task. So far the republicans have been able to get away with letting the conservatives pick the election agenda, and then the moderates only give lib service to the same after the election (Reagan was a master at doing that). The Tea Party is getting wise to that, and are starting to hold the moderates accountable after elections. This is where the real fun begins....

conservatism is not extreme. the founders were fically conservative, the constitution is a conservative document. freedom is a conservative belief. the problem is that it is very hard to remove people from the government teat once they are attached.

The founders had no money. We were deeply in debt

They had no choice but to be fiscallyconservative

today we are 17.5 TRILLION in debt and it grows by hundreds of millions every day. might be time to take a lesson from the founders.

Maybe so

But our founders would be dumbfounded by our GDP and economic standing in the world

 

[2aguy]

Majotity of America think Tea Partiers are wrong.

The majority of the country only knows what the media wing of the democrat party told them about the Tea Party...sadly, that includes all the lefty posters here in this thread....

 

[Mac1958]

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Okay, then, let's drill down a bit and see where folks stand on some specifics, based on stuff I've heard Tea Partiers say. Maybe they don't represent the movement.

1. Should we eliminate the Department of Education?
2. Should we eliminate OSHA?
3. Should we eliminate unions?
4. Should we eliminate the Internal Revenue Service?
5. Should we impeach Barack Obama?
6. Should we eliminate Medicaid?
7. Should we eliminate Medicare?
8. Should we have a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion?
9. Should we have a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage?
10. Should we eliminate Social Security?
11. Should we eliminate the minimum wage?

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[Mac1958]

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[Votto]

It isn't the Democrats, it's the Tea Party. GOP's been co-opted by stupid people.

But I thought that the GOP hated women, were racists, and wanted to kill our grandma's by taking their health care?

If so, you should thank the Tea Party and just let the democrats usher in their wonderful utopia.