Summer Heat-Related Deaths Expected To Triple By 2100

[Old Rocks]

The only problems I have with nuclear are expense and siting. Nuclear is still very expensive.

Siting is what created the disaster at Fukashima. Had they consulted a geologist, he would simply have pointed to stones set in the hills centuries ago that said "do not build below this level". That fault had let go and created tsunamais many times, the reactors should never have been that low.

Here in the US, I question some of the siting in the Mississippi River Valley. Had the upper dam on the Missouri let go last summer, would those reactors been capable of a safe shutdown? When dealing with a technology where even one failure is catastrophic, one must always keep Murphy's Laws in mind.

 

[Trakar]

Summer Heat-Related Deaths In US Expected To Triple By 2100 As Temperatures Soar: Report - http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/345108/20120524/climate-change-summer-related-deaths-triple-2100.htm

...The annual number of heat-related deaths in the United States is expected to triple by the end of the century, according to a new report, which predicts more than 150,000 Americans could die by 2100 from dangerously high summer temperatures resulting from climate change.

Currently, there are about 1,300 heat-related deaths in an average U.S. summer. Climate change will make that number rise to more than 4,600 by the end of the century, according to an analysis of peer-reviewed scientific data from the Natural Resources Defense Council, which reports extreme temperatures typically exacerbate already life-threatening conditions such as heat stroke, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease...

How many fewer cold-related deaths can we expect world-wide?

Good question. Even better question would be how do we sort out the causation? If more energetic storm systems pick up more moisture into the atmsophere and dump record amounts of snow in areas that normally don't get much snow, do we attribute the damage and mortality to the average warmer temps that enhanced the storm and shifted the weather patterns or do we attribute them to the record snowfall that wouldn't have existed without the general warming and changed weather patterns? Are these cold climate deaths or warming climate change deaths?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

 

[Trakar]

How many gardens have you planted in freezing weather, Trakar.
How many gardens have been planted in Las Vegas?
Get your head out of your peer reviewed studies and use a little common sense, dude. sheesh

We were discussing human injuries and mortalities and comparing hot and cold exposure. I'm simply looking for people to support their assertions with facts and references.

I had year-round gardens both in SE and Central Alaska where we weren't only dealing with the cold but also natural light deficits in the winter. These conditions were primarily compensated for by isolating the garden from the environment and providing the conditions needed by the plants being grown. I don't see that this would be any different in Las Vegas.

There is nothing more uncommon than true commonsense, unfortunately most people who plea commonsense generally do so as a biased preference for their own ignorances and prejudicial myths in the stead of demonstrable science and supported understandings. Science is not a substitute for commonsense, but merely a rational extension of it based upon supporting evidences and observations.

As a great thinker is noted to have once remarked,"Common sense, is nothing more than a deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen."

 

[Trakar]

The only problems I have with nuclear are expense and siting. Nuclear is still very expensive.

Siting is what created the disaster at Fukashima. Had they consulted a geologist, he would simply have pointed to stones set in the hills centuries ago that said "do not build below this level". That fault had let go and created tsunamais many times, the reactors should never have been that low.

Here in the US, I question some of the siting in the Mississippi River Valley. Had the upper dam on the Missouri let go last summer, would those reactors been capable of a safe shutdown? When dealing with a technology where even one failure is catastrophic, one must always keep Murphy's Laws in mind.

Much of the expense is in the financing and the decommissioning funds, as well as the fact that power companies usually try to locate these facillities near population centers. Even here, however, nuclear power, per megawatt isn't that bad pricewise. Comparable to most other power generation technologies but this is as much due to the primary use of outdated nuclear systems rather than modern design systems. There are high up front costs due to the need for containment systems and precision engineered construction in most systems, but this isn't a show stopper.

Siting is always a big issue with nuclear plants, and should be. This doesn't mean that the NIMBY groups should be allowed to determine when enough is enough, but yeah, we need impact studies on the environment and the communities surrounding such sites.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The only problems I have with nuclear are expense and siting. Nuclear is still very expensive.

Siting is what created the disaster at Fukashima. Had they consulted a geologist, he would simply have pointed to stones set in the hills centuries ago that said "do not build below this level". That fault had let go and created tsunamais many times, the reactors should never have been that low.

Here in the US, I question some of the siting in the Mississippi River Valley. Had the upper dam on the Missouri let go last summer, would those reactors been capable of a safe shutdown? When dealing with a technology where even one failure is catastrophic, one must always keep Murphy's Laws in mind.

Much of the expense is in the financing and the decommissioning funds, as well as the fact that power companies usually try to locate these facillities near population centers. Even here, however, nuclear power, per megawatt isn't that bad pricewise. Comparable to most other power generation technologies but this is as much due to the primary use of outdated nuclear systems rather than modern design systems. There are high up front costs due to the need for containment systems and precision engineered construction in most systems, but this isn't a show stopper.

Siting is always a big issue with nuclear plants, and should be. This doesn't mean that the NIMBY groups should be allowed to determine when enough is enough, but yeah, we need impact studies on the environment and the communities surrounding such sites.

We haven't built a new reactor in 30 years and the costs has gone up at least 10-fold. At what point do we realize that all of the studies and community group participation are just there to cripple Western civilization?

 

[Trakar]

...We haven't built a new reactor in 30 years and the costs has gone up at least 10-fold. At what point do we realize that all of the studies and community group participation are just there to cripple Western civilization?

At the point where you present compelling evidence indicating that this global conspiracy exists and is as you say it to be. Till then, you are just another aluminium foil wearing nutter on the streetcorner talking about black helicopters and mind-control waves.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Summer Heat-Related Deaths In US Expected To Triple By 2100 As Temperatures Soar: Report - http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/345108/20120524/climate-change-summer-related-deaths-triple-2100.htm

How many fewer cold-related deaths can we expect world-wide?

Good question. Even better question would be how do we sort out the causation? If more energetic storm systems pick up more moisture into the atmsophere and dump record amounts of snow in areas that normally don't get much snow, do we attribute the damage and mortality to the average warmer temps that enhanced the storm and shifted the weather patterns or do we attribute them to the record snowfall that wouldn't have existed without the general warming and changed weather patterns? Are these cold climate deaths or warming climate change deaths?

Or if the storms are less energetic and pick up less moisture, how do we sort out the causation?

 

[whitehall]

"The Natural Resources Defense Council" doesn't even claim to be a scientific source. It's an (international) advocacy group. Threats and intimidation are standard procedure to these groups.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...We haven't built a new reactor in 30 years and the costs has gone up at least 10-fold. At what point do we realize that all of the studies and community group participation are just there to cripple Western civilization?

At the point where you present compelling evidence indicating that this global conspiracy exists and is as you say it to be. Till then, you are just another aluminium foil wearing nutter on the streetcorner talking about black helicopters and mind-control waves.

Show me one US nuclear reactor built in the last 30 years (that wasn't powering a Navy Vessel)

 

[Trakar]

...We haven't built a new reactor in 30 years and the costs has gone up at least 10-fold. At what point do we realize that all of the studies and community group participation are just there to cripple Western civilization?

At the point where you present compelling evidence indicating that this global conspiracy exists and is as you say it to be. Till then, you are just another aluminium foil wearing nutter on the streetcorner talking about black helicopters and mind-control waves.

Show me one US nuclear reactor built in the last 30 years (that wasn't powering a Navy Vessel)

Demonstrate compelling evidence that the failure to build a commercial US reactor over the last 30 years is the direct result of "studies and community group participation are just there to cripple Western civilization".

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Better cut down on air conditioning because that burns "fossil fuels" and that creates more imaginary manmade global warming...so, the only way to counteract these deaths is with more death and declining Western civilization

Air conditioners don't run on fossil fuels, they run on electricity. We simply need to produce electricity with carbon neutral technologies. When your boat is leaky, the first reasoned option is to fix the leak, not scuttle the boat.

Try rubbing a balloon on your head for static electricity to power your AC unit

Is that the only alternative to burning coal? Who would have known?

 

[Meister]

How many gardens have you planted in freezing weather, Trakar.
How many gardens have been planted in Las Vegas?
Get your head out of your peer reviewed studies and use a little common sense, dude. sheesh

We were discussing human injuries and mortalities and comparing hot and cold exposure. I'm simply looking for people to support their assertions with facts and references.

I had year-round gardens both in SE and Central Alaska where we weren't only dealing with the cold but also natural light deficits in the winter. These conditions were primarily compensated for by isolating the garden from the environment and providing the conditions needed by the plants being grown. I don't see that this would be any different in Las Vegas.

There is nothing more uncommon than true commonsense, unfortunately most people who plea commonsense generally do so as a biased preference for their own ignorances and prejudicial myths in the stead of demonstrable science and supported understandings. Science is not a substitute for commonsense, but merely a rational extension of it based upon supporting evidences and observations.

As a great thinker is noted to have once remarked,"Common sense, is nothing more than a deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen."

Trakar there is no doubt that you can find a science paper for whatever you want to believe in. Having said that, I have seen your other posts outside of your environmental drivel, you are no more that a freaking socialist, if not a communist. This is why you can't seem to get away from you "peer reviewed" papers that are "peer reviewed" from the same nuts that you seem to be. Get over it....there are scientists that once were duped but now have come out against it. Don't believe me? Google it, I'm not going to play you silly assed games of "demonstrate compelling evidence" BS. It's political...just what you are ....political. The jig is up, and you lose no matter what you say........

 

[Trakar]

How many gardens have you planted in freezing weather, Trakar.
How many gardens have been planted in Las Vegas?
Get your head out of your peer reviewed studies and use a little common sense, dude. sheesh

We were discussing human injuries and mortalities and comparing hot and cold exposure. I'm simply looking for people to support their assertions with facts and references.

I had year-round gardens both in SE and Central Alaska where we weren't only dealing with the cold but also natural light deficits in the winter. These conditions were primarily compensated for by isolating the garden from the environment and providing the conditions needed by the plants being grown. I don't see that this would be any different in Las Vegas.

There is nothing more uncommon than true commonsense, unfortunately most people who plea commonsense generally do so as a biased preference for their own ignorances and prejudicial myths in the stead of demonstrable science and supported understandings. Science is not a substitute for commonsense, but merely a rational extension of it based upon supporting evidences and observations.

As a great thinker is noted to have once remarked,"Common sense, is nothing more than a deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen."

Trakar there is no doubt that you can find a science paper for whatever you want to believe in. Having said that, I have seen your other posts outside of your environmental drivel, you are no more that a freaking socialist, if not a communist. This is why you can't seem to get away from you "peer reviewed" papers that are "peer reviewed" from the same nuts that you seem to be. Get over it....there are scientists that once were duped but now have come out against it. Don't believe me? Google it, I'm not going to play you silly assed games of "demonstrate compelling evidence" BS. It's political...just what you are ....political. The jig is up, and you lose no matter what you say........

I am a registered Republican. I originally registered as such in Feb. of 1968 when I turned 21. It is true, I am a Progressive Republican, along the traditions of Lincoln, T. Roosevelt and Eisenhower which is a bit of a rarity in the Republican party today, but I'm really not into the hyperpartisan rhetoric. I do pay attention to politics, especially with regards to effective public policy and efficient governance. I support ideas, policies and practices (and on the very rare occassion "people"), regardless of which useless political circle jerk happens to favor or disfavor it. It is up to you to support, or not, your own statements and assertions, refusing to do so impacts your credibility, I could care less. But don't expect me to accept your word on any thing. Trust and respect are earned, not an entitled quality or characteristic,...something more and more of my fellow Republicans seem to be having a problem with over the last several decades. Now, can we return to the thread subject, or would you like to split this off into a more appropriate political thread and continue this discussion?

 

[tjvh]

We were discussing human injuries and mortalities and comparing hot and cold exposure. I'm simply looking for people to support their assertions with facts and references.

I had year-round gardens both in SE and Central Alaska where we weren't only dealing with the cold but also natural light deficits in the winter. These conditions were primarily compensated for by isolating the garden from the environment and providing the conditions needed by the plants being grown. I don't see that this would be any different in Las Vegas.

There is nothing more uncommon than true commonsense, unfortunately most people who plea commonsense generally do so as a biased preference for their own ignorances and prejudicial myths in the stead of demonstrable science and supported understandings. Science is not a substitute for commonsense, but merely a rational extension of it based upon supporting evidences and observations.

As a great thinker is noted to have once remarked,"Common sense, is nothing more than a deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen."

Trakar there is no doubt that you can find a science paper for whatever you want to believe in. Having said that, I have seen your other posts outside of your environmental drivel, you are no more that a freaking socialist, if not a communist. This is why you can't seem to get away from you "peer reviewed" papers that are "peer reviewed" from the same nuts that you seem to be. Get over it....there are scientists that once were duped but now have come out against it. Don't believe me? Google it, I'm not going to play you silly assed games of "demonstrate compelling evidence" BS. It's political...just what you are ....political. The jig is up, and you lose no matter what you say........

I am a registered Republican. I originally registered as such in Feb. of 1968 when I turned 21. It is true, I am a Progressive Republican, along the traditions of Lincoln, T. Roosevelt and Eisenhower which is a bit of a rarity in the Republican party today, but I'm really not into the hyperpartisan rhetoric. I do pay attention to politics, especially with regards to effective public policy and efficient governance. I support ideas, policies and practices (and on the very rare occassion "people"), regardless of which useless political circle jerk happens to favor or disfavor it. It is up to you to support, or not, your own statements and assertions, refusing to do so impacts your credibility, I could care less. But don't expect me to accept your word on any thing. Trust and respect are earned, not an entitled quality or characteristic,...something more and more of my fellow Republicans seem to be having a problem with over the last several decades. Now, can we return to the thread subject, or would you like to split this off into a more appropriate political thread and continue this discussion?

Back to the discussion... How long before people who are eligible for Safe-Link phones (free Obama phones) get a voucher in the mail to pick up their "free Air Conditioners"?

 

[Trakar]

Trakar there is no doubt that you can find a science paper for whatever you want to believe in. Having said that, I have seen your other posts outside of your environmental drivel, you are no more that a freaking socialist, if not a communist. This is why you can't seem to get away from you "peer reviewed" papers that are "peer reviewed" from the same nuts that you seem to be. Get over it....there are scientists that once were duped but now have come out against it. Don't believe me? Google it, I'm not going to play you silly assed games of "demonstrate compelling evidence" BS. It's political...just what you are ....political. The jig is up, and you lose no matter what you say........

I am a registered Republican. I originally registered as such in Feb. of 1968 when I turned 21. It is true, I am a Progressive Republican, along the traditions of Lincoln, T. Roosevelt and Eisenhower which is a bit of a rarity in the Republican party today, but I'm really not into the hyperpartisan rhetoric. I do pay attention to politics, especially with regards to effective public policy and efficient governance. I support ideas, policies and practices (and on the very rare occassion "people"), regardless of which useless political circle jerk happens to favor or disfavor it. It is up to you to support, or not, your own statements and assertions, refusing to do so impacts your credibility, I could care less. But don't expect me to accept your word on any thing. Trust and respect are earned, not an entitled quality or characteristic,...something more and more of my fellow Republicans seem to be having a problem with over the last several decades. Now, can we return to the thread subject, or would you like to split this off into a more appropriate political thread and continue this discussion?

Back to the discussion... How long before people who are eligible for Safe-Link phones (free Obama phones) get a voucher in the mail to pick up their "free Air Conditioners"?

You'd have to ask one of his supporters, but as I was telling them back in '08, you can't judge candidates by what they say, you have to look at what they've done, and Obama has always been more about the words than the follow-through (not that Romney is one iota better in this respect).