Students Will Stay After School 20 Minutes Each Day to Make Up For Teacher Sick-Outs

[WorldWatcher]

Just a couple of quick questions...Who on this Board will be receiving a fully paid Week off for Easter/Spring Break? Who on this Board will be receiving a fully paid entire Summer off this year? Just curious. Thanks.

What teachers get paid vacations? None I know. What teachers get a fully paid summer off? None I know.

You must be an hourly employee becuase you think like an hourly employee.

Teachers are not hourly. They are annual.

Actually teachers are contract. They are contracted for a certain number of days.

They get paid a salary and included in that is the right to take a vacation when they are not needed in the school without a deduction from their salary.

Not quite, in the finance world "vacation" days have a specific meaning because the employer incurs a financial liability for those days accrued by the employee. Typically those days are paid out if the employee terminates.

Teachers (typically) do no accrue "vacation" days ("sick leave" is a whole different benefit) and those days are not charged as vacation days when the school is closed. Those are non-contract days and as such are not included in the teachers compensation.

The same holds true for any exempt employee in any company.

The only differecne is a teachers vacation is decided by the school calendar.

No it doesn't. Teachers (as a 10-month employee) don't accrue vacation. As a a 12-month employee I accrue vacation. We are not the same.



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[bodecea]

Can you tell us why federal union employees have no collective bargaining rights?

Do Post Office workers have unions? Do they have collective bargaining rights?

Yes. No.

Civil Service Reform Act of 1978

Now answer my question, please.

If Postal workers who are federal workers have collective bargaining, your question is null and void.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Ah, I see that you are an arrogant asshole that thinks the unions are to blame for all the state's woes. Of course, that is what Fox tells you to believe.

Can you tell us why federal union employees have no collective bargaining rights?

You obviously have a Fox talking point to make....so make it

Answer the question.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Do Post Office workers have unions? Do they have collective bargaining rights?

Yes. No.

Civil Service Reform Act of 1978

Now answer my question, please.

If Postal workers who are federal workers have collective bargaining, your question is null and void.

But the fact is federal postal workers do not have collective bargaining rights per the CSRA of 1978. So the question remains why don't federal union employees have collective bargaining rights.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Teachers are not paid an hour salary...they are deemed as exempt...they are paid annual salaries.

SO I do not know where you get that whole 10 months a year/12 months a year thing.

They are paid an annual salary.....so it is irrelevant.

You are correct in that under the Fair Labor and Standards Act (FLSA) that Teachers are exempt.

However that has nothing to do with their length of employment. Teachers are not paid an "annual salary" in the traditional sense. They are paid on contract days which will vary by school district from 180-200 days for a typical teacher.

In the school district I work for teachers receive pay checks from September through the following June, they do not receive paychecks when there are no instructional days and so there are no checks in July and August. (The school has no "option" to pay over 12-months, if you are a 10-month employee you get 10 paychecks. Now employees can join the local credit union and they will deduct a % of each check and then pay it over the summer. But that's between the employee and the credit union, the school district has no part in it.)



Where do I get this from? I'm a database administrator for a school system. I designed the databases that print the contracts for new hires and returning personnel and I oversea distribution of "end of year" contracts/LOE's for about 3,000 employees for the next school year.

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

That's what you don't seem to understand.


Teachers are not paid by the year, they are paid by the contract which is for a certain number of days. They don't get paid vacation (although in the common parlance people will refer to summer vacation for teachers), that is not factually correct as is is non-compensated time off.


Some teachers do make extra money during the summer. You have a problem with someone working on their own time to make extra money?



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[Flopper]

The Teacher Unions are even too dumb to update their propaganda. Yea how many years are we going to hear that "We don't have enough money for books & pencils" shit? That stuff is so old & stale. They have enough cash to purchase Thousands of Computers for classrooms all across the country but they don't have enough cash to purchase books & pencils? Yea something just doesn't sound right with that stuff. Public Schools rake in $Billions in Tax Dollars. The money is there. It's not the money. Teachers need to stop with the "Woe is Me" shit and just do their jobs. People are sick of all their whiny excuses. They have a job to do. It's time for them to get to work.

I've heard the "we don't have enough money for books and pencils" since I was in Grade School.

Yes and No. Text books are usually a logistics problem. Books were ordered but they didn't arrive or a larger than expected enrollment, etc. The policy on supplies varies a lot between districts. Most districts make student supplies student responsibly. Some districts provide some additional supplies for kids that don't bring supplies, other don't. Classroom supplies is where the teacher will often get stuck paying for them out of pocket and it can get to be pretty expensive.

 

[Jarhead]

You are correct in that under the Fair Labor and Standards Act (FLSA) that Teachers are exempt.

However that has nothing to do with their length of employment. Teachers are not paid an "annual salary" in the traditional sense. They are paid on contract days which will vary by school district from 180-200 days for a typical teacher.

In the school district I work for teachers receive pay checks from September through the following June, they do not receive paychecks when there are no instructional days and so there are no checks in July and August. (The school has no "option" to pay over 12-months, if you are a 10-month employee you get 10 paychecks. Now employees can join the local credit union and they will deduct a % of each check and then pay it over the summer. But that's between the employee and the credit union, the school district has no part in it.)



Where do I get this from? I'm a database administrator for a school system. I designed the databases that print the contracts for new hires and returning personnel and I oversea distribution of "end of year" contracts/LOE's for about 3,000 employees for the next school year.

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

That's what you don't seem to understand.


Teachers are not paid by the year, they are paid by the contract which is for a certain number of days. They don't get paid vacation (although in the common parlance people will refer to summer vacation for teachers), that is not factually correct as is is non-compensated time off.


Some teachers do make extra money during the summer. You have a problem with someone working on their own time to make extra money?



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HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget the symantics and the logisitics and the spinning of what I said about the summer jobs....

A teacher gets an offer ...

Say 72K

It is for the SCHOOL YEAR....which is to the layman...the year.

They are getting paid 72K annually...if they opt not to work over the summer...or on weekends...or during holiday breaks...they are making 72K for the year.

The problem with you guys is you are so hell bent on arguing, you make it so dam complicated for yourselves, that you lose perspective.

if you are a teacher and you do nothing else with your time to generate income...at the end of the year, your w-2 will say 72K....and you will have worked 180 days for it.

Jeez....cut the fucking spin out already. It ruins a good debate.

 

[Jarhead]

You are correct in that under the Fair Labor and Standards Act (FLSA) that Teachers are exempt.

However that has nothing to do with their length of employment. Teachers are not paid an "annual salary" in the traditional sense. They are paid on contract days which will vary by school district from 180-200 days for a typical teacher.

In the school district I work for teachers receive pay checks from September through the following June, they do not receive paychecks when there are no instructional days and so there are no checks in July and August. (The school has no "option" to pay over 12-months, if you are a 10-month employee you get 10 paychecks. Now employees can join the local credit union and they will deduct a % of each check and then pay it over the summer. But that's between the employee and the credit union, the school district has no part in it.)



Where do I get this from? I'm a database administrator for a school system. I designed the databases that print the contracts for new hires and returning personnel and I oversea distribution of "end of year" contracts/LOE's for about 3,000 employees for the next school year.

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

So now you hold their non-paid time against them too.....

yeah...thats what I said.

You are a fucking idiot with a serious reading comprehension problem.

I pity your parents.

 

[bodecea]

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

That's what you don't seem to understand.


Teachers are not paid by the year, they are paid by the contract which is for a certain number of days. They don't get paid vacation (although in the common parlance people will refer to summer vacation for teachers), that is not factually correct as is is non-compensated time off.


Some teachers do make extra money during the summer. You have a problem with someone working on their own time to make extra money?



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HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget the symantics and the logisitics and the spinning of what I said about the summer jobs....

A teacher gets an offer ...

Say 72K

It is for the SCHOOL YEAR....which is to the layman...the year.

They are getting paid 72K annually...if they opt not to work over the summer...or on weekends...or during holiday breaks...they are making 72K for the year.

The problem with you guys is you are so hell bent on arguing, you make it so dam complicated for yourselves, that you lose perspective.

if you are a teacher and you do nothing else with your time to generate income...at the end of the year, your w-2 will say 72K....and you will have worked 180 days for it.

Jeez....cut the fucking spin out already. It ruins a good debate.

72K? What teacher, having worked how many years, gets 72K?

 

[bodecea]

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

So now you hold their non-paid time against them too.....

yeah...thats what I said.

You are a fucking idiot with a serious reading comprehension problem.

I pity your parents.

Apparently you can't hold an argument so you get nasty and person and bring families into it. You've lost already. I'm sure that's a common position for you to be in.....loser.

 

[Flopper]

Teacher Unions have promoted that "Woe is Me" Entitlement attitude for many years. Teachers don't have it nearly as bad as they claim. So they want to make more money? Gee who doesn't? Just take a close look at the benefits they enjoy. No other Professions in America enjoy the kinds of benefits Teachers enjoy. For example,how many workers will be enjoying a fully paid entire Summer off this year? No one but Teachers. So they don't have it so bad. The Teacher Unions just keep on promoting that "Woe is Me" attitude so they can rape the Taxpayers some more and get their Democrats elected. I'm completely sick of their whiny Entitlement attitude. Many other workers in America have it much worse than Teachers. Yet no one whines more than Teachers do. Time to boot the Teacher Unions from our Public Schools. Their time has passed.

Not so, most teachers work 10 months out of the year and are paid for 10 months work not 12. The only way these teachers get paid in summer is if the district spreads their 10 month's pay over 12.

Teachers are not paid an hour salary...they are deemed as exempt...they are paid annual salaries.

SO I do not know where you get that whole 10 months a year/12 months a year thing.

They are paid an annual salary.....so it is irrelevant.

In the district I worked in, teachers were paid monthly. They worked 10 months and got 10 paychecks. If they didn't work a month, they got 9 checks. The only way you got 12 checks is to spread the 10 months pay over 12 months. I don't know how all districts work.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Teacher Unions are even too dumb to update their propaganda. Yea how many years are we going to hear that "We don't have enough money for books & pencils" shit? That stuff is so old & stale. They have enough cash to purchase Thousands of Computers for classrooms all across the country but they don't have enough cash to purchase books & pencils? Yea something just doesn't sound right with that stuff. Public Schools rake in $Billions in Tax Dollars. The money is there. It's not the money. Teachers need to stop with the "Woe is Me" shit and just do their jobs. People are sick of all their whiny excuses. They have a job to do. It's time for them to get to work.

I've heard the "we don't have enough money for books and pencils" since I was in Grade School.

Yes and No. Text books are usually a logistics problem. Books were ordered but they didn't arrive or a larger than expected enrollment, etc. The policy on supplies varies a lot between districts. Most districts make student supplies student responsibly. Some districts provide some additional supplies for kids that don't bring supplies, other don't. Classroom supplies is where the teacher will often get stuck paying for them out of pocket and it can get to be pretty expensive.

Maybe they should cut back on the amount of Computers they purchase? Could probably buy a whole lot of books & pencils with the saved cash no? Personally i think Computers are highly over-rated in educating children in School. They often only end up being distracted by searching for Porn or Tweeting. I really do think educators have relied on computers too much in recent years. I think laziness is an issue with many of these Teachers. They just pawn the kid off on a computer instead of doing their job. Maybe less computers and more books & pencils is the answer? Just spit-balling here though. Something else to think about anyway.

 

[The T]

The Kids always pay. Many Teachers just don't care about them anymore. For many Teachers it's all about their greed and getting Democrats elected. Far too many have brought their greed and politics into the classroom. And now our Public Schools are crumbling. All Cities,Counties,and States should move towards getting rid of Public Unions completely. Unions just don't belong in our Government. Public Teacher Unions are the worst of the worst. They constantly rape the Taxpayer and then bitch about everything at the same time. There should be no Unions in Government. Period,end of story.

And the country as a whole is paying for it.

 

[bodecea]

Happy Hour must be over!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Let the kids and the teachers feel the pain and maybe they'll put an end to this stupidity.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

All you Teachers just remember to thank the hard-working Taxpayers for your enjoyable leisure time on your upcoming Easter/Spring Break. Most other American Workers will be showing up for work that week. So enjoy your time off with your family & friends but please remember to thank us Taxpayers for that time. We paid for it after all. I'm out. See Ya.

 

[The T]

All you Teachers just remember to thank the hard-working Taxpayers for your enjoyable leisure time on your upcoming Easter/Spring Break. Most other American Workers will be showing up for work that week. So enjoy your time off with your family & friends but please remember to thank us Taxpayers for that time. We paid for it after all. I'm out. See Ya.

Not that they deserve it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Jeez...

You dont get it...

None of you do.

It makes no difference...the teacher accepts the salary knowing they are getting paid X amount a year for teaching.

The only difference is they are allowed to ALSO make extra money in the summer doing something not part of the school year...like camp counselor.

But they get paid X amount per year for teaching.

That's what you don't seem to understand.


Teachers are not paid by the year, they are paid by the contract which is for a certain number of days. They don't get paid vacation (although in the common parlance people will refer to summer vacation for teachers), that is not factually correct as is is non-compensated time off.


Some teachers do make extra money during the summer. You have a problem with someone working on their own time to make extra money?



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HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget the symantics and the logisitics and the spinning of what I said about the summer jobs....

A teacher gets an offer ...

Say 72K

It is for the SCHOOL YEAR....which is to the layman...the year.

They are getting paid 72K annually...if they opt not to work over the summer...or on weekends...or during holiday breaks...they are making 72K for the year.

It's not spin, it's not semantics, it's not logistics - it's accuracy. Inaccurate descriptions are why laymen don't understand how teachers are frequently compensated.

Let's say we hire a new teacher. That teacher will start at about August 25th (school setup work days) they work to mid-June (lets say June 15). For that time they are paid $40,000 in 10-monthly paychecks. The Principal notifies us that the teacher has no performed well and (s)he does not wish to renew their contract. On June 16th that teachers employment is terminated. They have worked 200 days, they are paid the contract amount, and they are no longer an employee.

The individual is not a paid an employee for a year, they are not paid for a year of work, they were paid the contracted amount for days worked.

The problem with you guys is you are so hell bent on arguing, you make it so dam complicated for yourselves, that you lose perspective.

It's actually very easy. A contract is offered for Z number of days at $X.XX compensation. The contract is accepted and the person works those days - which are less then a year.

You seem to be the one digging in calling things vacations (compensated time off) which they are not and demanding that we call 200 contract days a "Year" which it is not.

if you are a teacher and you do nothing else with your time to generate income...at the end of the year, your w-2 will say 72K....and you will have worked 180 days for it.

Yes, you will have a W-2 showing the income earned during the contracted day of work during the taxable year.

What someone does with their own time is irrelevant.

Jeez....cut the fucking spin out already. It ruins a good debate.

Actually I thought we were having a good debate. You say something that's wrong and as a professional in the field I correct you. OK, maybe that's not a debate, closer to providing instruction.



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[Flopper]

Just a couple of quick questions...Who on this Board will be receiving a fully paid Week off for Easter/Spring Break? Who on this Board will be receiving a fully paid entire Summer off this year? Just curious. Thanks.

Who on this board works for hours after work hours without pay? When you compare the salaries and benefits of a private sector worker to a teacher, the teacher is paid considerably less than an equally educated private sector worker even when you take into account the "vacations" they get.

Teachers work 180 days a year.
Compare that to the average worker who works 220 days a year

Teachers are mandated to be on school grounds from 8-4 with a 42 minute lunch and at least one 42 minute free period...working 6.5 hours
Compare that to the average worker who is mandated to be at work 8:30-5:30 with an hour lunch and two 15 minute breaks....working 7.5 hours

So that being said...

Teachers work 1170 hours a year

The average worker works 1650 hours a year

a difference of about 480 hours a year

Spread that over the 180 days they work and that is about 2 hours and 40 minutes a day that they need to work at night to work equal hours to the average worker.

And that is assuming the average worker doesnt ALSO have to work at night.

And that is a very lame assumption....as one who is equally educated to a teacher is likely working late nioghts as well....thus why the higher salaries.....

Instead of spewing crap you know nothing about, I suggest you first do the math.

You know nothing about what teachers do.

When I worked as a teacher, I worked at least 2.5 hours every evenings and that doesn't include the parent teacher conferences, the PTA meetings, grant applications, the Friday nights directing traffic at football games, Chess club twice a week, staff meetings, meetings with my curriculum supervisor, conferences with Special Ed teachers, district survey, DOE surveys, student evaluation, after school training on student discipline, cleaning up bodily fluid, and every other waste of time the legislature could think up.

Do parents and the public think that tests, student assignments, and classroom presentations just magically appear? Grading papers and assignments are done by the tooth fairy?

Your post illustrates exactly why I no longer teach. I enjoyed teaching kids, but it's just not worth it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

In the district I worked in, teachers were paid monthly. They worked 10 months and got 10 paychecks. If they didn't work a month, they got 9 checks. The only way you got 12 checks is to spread the 10 months pay over 12 months. I don't know how all districts work.

Some districts will do it (10-month work, 12 paychecks) some won't. Our system doesn't because it can be a real headache for finance not only for payroll purposes but for finance when liabilities cross the fiscal year boundary (July 1st). You have compensation earned in one fiscal year being paid in the next.

If our teachers want 12 paydays (which is different then 12 paychecks) they join the Credit Union and arrange it with them. The CU then deducts a % from direct depost for each of the 12 paychecks, and then returns the money in the two off months.


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