Still Hiding the Decline

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    Trakar asked me why the climate scientists would not use up to date proxy data if it was available. I don't really know the answer to that but I have strong suspicions that it is because they don't match up with the story that climate scientists want to tell.

    An example to support my position-
    Salzer and Hughes (Hughes is the H in MBH98, the original Hockey Stick) 2006 uses treering data including Sheep Mtn.
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    which gives the hockey stick shape
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    Hughes' data set ends in 1990 (which is at least better than 1961) but is there newer, more up to date data? actually yes there is.
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    perhaps you are thinking that Hughes was somehow ignorant of this update, however unlikely that may be. the odds of that go from slim to non existent when you consider that Hughes was on the panel that gave Ababneh a PhD for a thesis based on this very update!
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    Trakar, you can deny all the sordid goings-on in climate science if you want to, no one can force you to open your eyes. but if you ever feel like exploring more of the details, the chronologies, the details, the arguments both pro and con (CA doesnt moderate comments like Real Climate) are all on ClimateClimate Audit Audit
     
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    Oh, and in true Hockey Team fashion, they are still hiding their data. especially when it is full of inconvenient information.
    http://climateaudit.org/2007/11/01/hughes-and-the-ababneh-thesis/
     
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    My goodness, land sakes alive, looky here.
    Image : New Temperature Reconstruction from Indo-Pacific Warm Pool : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

    A lumpy Mann graph from the Woods Hole Institute. And a statement that the MWP was 0.5 C cooler than the end of 20th Century temps. Thank you, Walleyes
    News Release : New Temperature Reconstruction from Indo-Pacific Warm Pool : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

    Temperature reconstructions suggest that the Northern Hemisphere may have been slightly cooler (by about 0.5 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' (~AD 800-1300) than during the late-20th century. However, these temperature reconstructions are based on, in large part, data compiled from high latitude or high altitude terrestrial proxy records, such as tree rings and ice cores, from the Northern Hemisphere (NH). Little pre-historical temperature data from tropical regions like the IPWP has been incorporated into these analyses, and the global extent of warm temperatures during this interval is unclear. As a result, conclusions regarding past global temperatures still have some uncertainties.

    So, we have a completely independent study from sources totally unrelated to the sources that Mann used, confirming the Hockey Stick Graph.

    Care to explain that, dingleberry?
     
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    that graph has Mann's figures lower than everyone elses for the stick and higher than everyone elses for the blade. how is that confirmation of the Hockey Stick?
     

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