Star Trek: Into Dorkness

[Quantum Windbag]

It's kind of odd as well.

It didn't completely squash the feud either. Just left it smoldering. There are multiple episodes with the Federation and Klingon Empire at odds with each other.

right.....and since Roddenberry was involved with that episode .....who thought it was the greatest mistake ever?.....im sure he didnt.....just sayin......

Everyone who hated the Klingons. Ending the enmity with the Klingons is why they had to bring in the Romulans. And yea, the Organian Peace treaty was kind of ignored in the movies. Again, by redoing the time line, they can ignore it, have more fights with the Klingons, and it fits.

The Romulans were not introduced into TOS to replace the Klingons as a source of military conflict. Roddenbery was not trying to make a series about war, he wanted to portray the future of humanity as one not defined by war.

Then there is the fact that the Romulans were introduced before the Klingons.

Tell me something, if Roddenberry wanted TOS to be about war why didn't he give the Romulans warp technology? Why did he impose a cease fire on the Klingon conflict?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Okay, look, I'm sorry I entered this thread. I didn't mean to start a war. People it's just a show! Calm down already!

hey you are the one who said this......I didn't "hear" this, I know this. I'm an original "trekkie"...........

You're right, I did. Perhaps I should have said "I was". Truth is, I was. I could watch 5 seconds of one of the original episodes and tell you the name of the episode and the plot. Some of them, especially "The Trouble with Tribbles" I could recite from memory. Can't do it anymore. Somewhere along the line, I got a life.

i got a life too....but i also have a memory....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I didn't "hear" this, I know this. I'm an original "trekkie". Do you know about the Organian Peace treaty? If you don't, you can't possible be an original "trekkie".

Oh, and consider the mess Kirk made of time throughout the original series, starting his life on an alternate timeline just seemed, well, so "Kirk!"

i belong to a Star Trek Board that does nothing but Star trek....have been to 3 Conventions .....have read every novel from every series.......i think i know about the Organian Peace Treaty.....AND i have never seen or heard ANYONE say that that treaty was the worst mistake ever in the series....got a link?......

The book "The Trouble with Tribbles" by David Gerrold. Not the screen play the book he wrote about writing the screen play.

And yes, the episode was great, until the ending when a bunch of "Q" type beings show up and stopped the war. You don't think it was a mistake? Why do you think the Organians never showed up in any other episodes and why instead of an "Organian" they introduced "Q" in STTNG?

I read the book the first year it was published. I also read "The World of Star Trek" where he suggested changes that he would make if he was running the show, one of which was putting a Klingon on the Enterprise.

Needless to say, I don't recall a comment that the Organian Peace Treaty was the biggest mistake of the entire series.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I want tribbles dammit!!! This next Star Trek better have some damn tribbles. Show me the frickin tribbles!!!

It does.

 

[Againsheila]

by going back to day one they could have had all kinds of adventures in this time line well before the Organian peace treaty.....and where did you here this?......

" they can completely ignore the Organian Peace treaty, which basically killed the enmity between Star Fleet and the Klingons. (that was considered to be THE greatest mistake in the original Star Trek)"

i belong to a Star Trek Site with thousands of members world wide and i have never seen anyone say this......

I didn't "hear" this, I know this. I'm an original "trekkie". Do you know about the Organian Peace treaty? If you don't, you can't possible be an original "trekkie".

Oh, and consider the mess Kirk made of time throughout the original series, starting his life on an alternate timeline just seemed, well, so "Kirk!"

I don't have a problem with rebooting the series, I do have a problem with turning it into Star Wars.

By the way, Trekkies never spell Trekkie with a small t. If you were really an original Trekkie you wouldn't either.

I was, and I do, get over it. For awhile there was a movement to call us "trekkers" someone thought it sounded more mature. I stuck with the "trekkies". Even saw Roddenbury speak once. Someone asked him where he got the idea for warp drive and he said, "I stole it from Heinlein." Heinlein was one of my favorite authors.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Okay, look, I'm sorry I entered this thread. I didn't mean to start a war. People it's just a show! Calm down already!

hey you are the one who said this......I didn't "hear" this, I know this. I'm an original "trekkie"...........

You're right, I did. Perhaps I should have said "I was". Truth is, I was. I could watch 5 seconds of one of the original episodes and tell you the name of the episode and the plot. Some of them, especially "The Trouble with Tribbles" I could recite from memory. Can't do it anymore. Somewhere along the line, I got a life.

I could tell you the name of the episode form a still of the show unless it was a bridge scene. I could even do it from some of those. I actually won a trivia contest at a convention because of that trick.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Different timeline gives them a whole new universe. Before "Enterprise" all the StarTrek shows followed the same timeline. By altering the timeline, they can have new adventures with a younger crew and they can completely ignore the Organian Peace treaty, which basically killed the enmity between Star Fleet and the Klingons. (that was considered to be THE greatest mistake in the original Star Trek)

Also, without the change in Timeline, Checkov wouldn't have been on the Enterprise so soon. They only put him in the second season because the Russians complained.

They could have done that without destroying Vulcan and turning Kirk into Luke Skywalker.

I don't know, I loved it when they entered that shuttle and the one guy was wearing red. We all knew he was gonna die, it was classic trek.

You aren't the only one that noticed that.

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[Againsheila]

i belong to a Star Trek Board that does nothing but Star trek....have been to 3 Conventions .....have read every novel from every series.......i think i know about the Organian Peace Treaty.....AND i have never seen or heard ANYONE say that that treaty was the worst mistake ever in the series....got a link?......

The book "The Trouble with Tribbles" by David Gerrold. Not the screen play the book he wrote about writing the screen play.

And yes, the episode was great, until the ending when a bunch of "Q" type beings show up and stopped the war. You don't think it was a mistake? Why do you think the Organians never showed up in any other episodes and why instead of an "Organian" they introduced "Q" in STTNG?

I read the book the first year it was published. I also read "The World of Star Trek" where he suggested changes that he would make if he was running the show, one of which was putting a Klingon on the Enterprise.

Needless to say, I don't recall a comment that the Organian Peace Treaty was the biggest mistake of the entire series.

He said that the Klingons were the greatest enemy Star Fleet had, they were so mean, they didn't have latrines on their ships, they had to hold it until they got to the next port. He also mentioned that the Organian peace treaty made it much more difficult to use the Klingons as the bad guys. Maybe not the "biggest" mistake but surely a mistake.

It was good book. I read it while my sister was in labor with her first child. She's in her 30's now and with kids of her own (the child that is). God, I'm old.

 

[Againsheila]

They could have done that without destroying Vulcan and turning Kirk into Luke Skywalker.

I don't know, I loved it when they entered that shuttle and the one guy was wearing red. We all knew he was gonna die, it was classic trek.

You aren't the only one that noticed that.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Redshirts-A-Novel-Three-Codas/dp/0765334798]Redshirts: A Novel with Three Codas: John Scalzi: 9780765334794: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

No, I'm not. It's been a joke of the science fiction shows for many years. I watched Stargate SG1 once where some scientist said, "We might as well be wearing red shirts!"

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The book "The Trouble with Tribbles" by David Gerrold. Not the screen play the book he wrote about writing the screen play.

And yes, the episode was great, until the ending when a bunch of "Q" type beings show up and stopped the war. You don't think it was a mistake? Why do you think the Organians never showed up in any other episodes and why instead of an "Organian" they introduced "Q" in STTNG?

I read the book the first year it was published. I also read "The World of Star Trek" where he suggested changes that he would make if he was running the show, one of which was putting a Klingon on the Enterprise.

Needless to say, I don't recall a comment that the Organian Peace Treaty was the biggest mistake of the entire series.

He said that the Klingons were the greatest enemy Star Fleet had, they were so mean, they didn't have latrines on their ships, they had to hold it until they got to the next port. He also mentioned that the Organian peace treaty made it much more difficult to use the Klingons as the bad guys. Maybe not the "biggest" mistake but surely a mistake.

It was good book. I read it while my sister was in labor with her first child. She's in her 30's now and with kids of her own (the child that is). God, I'm old.

Yet he managed to turn an individual Klingon into into of the best villains Star Trek has ever seen, a bureaucrat.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

You actually thought Voyager was worth buying the DVD's?

Why am I not surprised?

All the sum total of 120 bucks, retail was 250.. it was a steal.

Well first of all it was nominated for a few prime time Emmys. Whatchu got against Voyager anyhow?

Saw Enterprise twice over TOS 4 times over, TNG 6 times over, DS9 3 times over, and Voyager going on seven.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

You actually thought Voyager was worth buying the DVD's?

Why am I not surprised?

All the sum total of 120 bucks, retail was 250.. it was a steal.

Well first of all it was nominated for a few prime time Emmys. Whatchu got against Voyager anyhow?

Saw Enterprise twice over TOS 4 times over, TNG 6 times over, DS9 3 times over, and Voyager going on seven.

Getting a subscription to Netflix is a lot cheaper, all the Star Treks are there.

I think that Voyager was OK. It had a few good moments.

But I'm actually a big fan of Deep Space Nine, which many Trekkies consider blasphemous. So whatever, take my opinion as you will. I'm a casual Star Trek fan - I wouldn't consider myself a "Trekkie".

(I capitalized the T in Trekkie anyway though.)

 

[TemplarKormac]

You actually thought Voyager was worth buying the DVD's?

Why am I not surprised?

All the sum total of 120 bucks, retail was 250.. it was a steal.

Well first of all it was nominated for a few prime time Emmys. Whatchu got against Voyager anyhow?

Saw Enterprise twice over TOS 4 times over, TNG 6 times over, DS9 3 times over, and Voyager going on seven.

Getting a subscription to Netflix is a lot cheaper, all the Star Treks are there.

I think that Voyager was OK. It had a few good moments.

But I'm actually a big fan of Deep Space Nine, which many Trekkies consider blasphemous. So whatever, take my opinion as you will. I'm a casual Star Trek fan - I wouldn't consider myself a "Trekkie".

(I capitalized the T in Trekkie anyway though.)

I actually liked DS9. They nailed Sisko with Avery Brooks.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

I would buy all the seasons of Voyager just because of seven of nine.

 

[Politico]

We are living in the world of I don't have a clue what quality or original ideas are. You have to take it for what it is or not.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

I would buy all the seasons of Voyager just because of seven of nine.

She was one of the deciding factors.

 

[JoeB131]

I hate to say this as a life-long Star Trek fan, but I am completely indifferent to this new Trek Movie.

I will say this from my heart, the only reason you are indifferent is because you don't know the plot.If you knew the plot you would hate it.

You might have a point. I have not been reading any spoilers so if I do go see it, I will probably be going in cold with no idea what it's about.

i'm guessing you have... and frankly, what you are saying doesn't sound good.

 

[JoeB131]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

You actually thought Voyager was worth buying the DVD's?

Why am I not surprised?

All the sum total of 120 bucks, retail was 250.. it was a steal.

Well first of all it was nominated for a few prime time Emmys. Whatchu got against Voyager anyhow?

Saw Enterprise twice over TOS 4 times over, TNG 6 times over, DS9 3 times over, and Voyager going on seven.

What do I have against Voyager?

It was dumbed down TNG.

Every other episode was a tiresome "Malfunctioing Holodeck" or "Temporal Anomoly Reset Button" episode with no real consequences.

No Consequences- no drama.

Their attempt at Drama was that you had half the crew were Maquis, which didn't make a lick of sense in the Star Trek Universe to start with. Except that drama all got forgotten by the middle of season 2. All these social misfits amazingly became good loyal members of Star Fleet.

(Incidently, DS9 did a vastly better job of handling the Maquis, which were just written as a setup for Voyager. But they did more intersting stuff with them.)

Oh, and then you had Seven of Boobs, probably the most idiotic character ever introduced into Star Trek.

 

[JoeB131]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

I would buy all the seasons of Voyager just because of seven of nine.

I thought she was an awful cop-out. First, we saw far too much of her. When she was introduced, it quickly became the "Seven of Nine" show. (Incidently, many of the other actors also complained about this.)

The fact the woman couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag didn't help much, either.

What I wish they had done was instead of making Voyager, they made TNG more like Law and Order- you introduce new characters and write old ones out to keep it fresh, which WOULD actually be more like a real military ship.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have all the Star Trek Movies, and I have all seven seasons of Voyager. Although I have seen all of the other series twice over, I'm happy that this franchise is getting reintroduced to a newer generation.

I would buy all the seasons of Voyager just because of seven of nine.

I thought she was an awful cop-out. First, we saw far too much of her. When she was introduced, it quickly became the "Seven of Nine" show. (Incidently, many of the other actors also complained about this.)

The fact the woman couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag didn't help much, either.

What I wish they had done was instead of making Voyager, they made TNG more like Law and Order- you introduce new characters and write old ones out to keep it fresh, which WOULD actually be more like a real military ship.

the only person that should have complained on that show was Harry.....an Ensign for 7 years.....dam.....