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You say you believe in "the human capacity to resolve minor civil disputes"Such a nice little discussion you guys are having.
Here's a real life scenario:
I don't like any of the houses in my town. I plan on buying a double or triple lot and having a house custom built.
There's a sweet double lot in a great neighborhood, each section going for a song - I think I'll go there - BUT - the household to the north has an above-ground swimming pool on one of the lots. It's entirely possible they may claim squatters' rights.
Now I know this and will look into it before buying, but not everyone thinks of such things.
So, if someone buys both lots and wants to start building but the squatters sue, then what?
I do not believe in the court system, because I believe in the human capacity to resolve minor civil disputes without resorting to violence. If squatters have renovated a building for living usage, then they are just as much entitled to live there as anyone else.
This is what I am against. This screwed up idea that human beings can claim ownership over something when they have no substantive backing, outside a government contracted recognition of property.
My goal has been to save for land of my own, but the land I want has been carved up thousands of acres a piece by real estate moguls that just leave it dormant and raise the prices so only the rich can pay, since the "owners" are already rich themselves. Are they entitled to thousands of acres of land that nobody is using simply because the government recognizes their claim?
I have a question about these "Squatters Rights". I have a friend who inherited his mother's home. She was in bad health her last few years, so the house needs work before he can sell it or rent it. My friend is a teacher, so extra money takes time.
Are squatters going to move out when my friend has the money to spend on the house? Or do they claim it forever?
I have a question about these "Squatters Rights". I have a friend who inherited his mother's home. She was in bad health her last few years, so the house needs work before he can sell it or rent it. My friend is a teacher, so extra money takes time.
Are squatters going to move out when my friend has the money to spend on the house? Or do they claim it forever?
If your friend has squatters currently in the home, they are not going to move out when your friend has the money.
The question is, are they actually squatting. If they lived with his mother before she died, they might just be buying time, and will leave the moment he asks.
If they are intentionally squatting, they likely won't leave unless forced to.
To actually get title, and own the property though, is difficult. It depends on the the state, with the worst states being at least 5 years. Meaning you have to squat on the land for at least 5 years.
The legal term you want to look up is "Adverse possession". In GA, it is as long as 15 to 20 years.
That said, my advice to your friend would be to start the process of removing the squatters as soon as possible, starting with the golden rule, treat people the way you would want to be treated.
1. Meaning ask for a face-to-face talk, and discuss their plans to leave the property civilly.If they have no intention of leaving, and intend to squat...
2. then step two is you must immediately move to find an attorney.
Now this is vital. Each states laws are different. There are rules for conduct as the "land lord" that if you violate, you can end up getting fined, and almost as bad, dragging out the process of removing the squatters.
You absolutely must get legal advice.
Suggestion: Do not get your average joe blow lawyer. Get a lawyer that understands squatting problems, and property law. Contact local real estate brokers in your area, and ask them for who they recommend for removing squatters.
3. you must begin the process of removing squatters quickly, and with as little contact with the squatters as possible.This is where a number of people fall down. They put it off, and procrastinate, and / or, they talk to the squatters too much.
Squatters can cause tons of damage. They are not paying anything for the house, and they know they can not keep it. So they have no reason to stop a bug infestation from spreading, or fix a leak somewhere, or even to not damage the building.
Horror stories abound, with people changing their motor bike oil in the living room, or removing the gutters from the house and selling them as scrap metal. You are not going to get money from these people, and they know it.
Telling the squatters you are going to have them removed, makes them even more likely to damage the place before being forced out. Keep your contact to a minimum. Your state may require you to inform them. Again, get legal advice. But even after you send them the required notification, do not talk to them needlessly.
Lastly, another reason to not put off starting the process of removal, is because (again depending on the state), the process for removing squatters could be a very long time. In some cases, more than 2 years.So again....
1. Sit down, face to face, let them know they need to leave, and ask when that will happen. Set a firm date. Not "sometime in spring".
If they intend to squat....
2. Get an Attorney. Someone experienced in this area of law. Likely one used by real estate brokers already.
3. Start the process as soon as possible. Keep contact to a minimum.
I have a question about these "Squatters Rights". I have a friend who inherited his mother's home. She was in bad health her last few years, so the house needs work before he can sell it or rent it. My friend is a teacher, so extra money takes time.
Are squatters going to move out when my friend has the money to spend on the house? Or do they claim it forever?
If your friend has squatters currently in the home, they are not going to move out when your friend has the money.
The question is, are they actually squatting. If they lived with his mother before she died, they might just be buying time, and will leave the moment he asks.
If they are intentionally squatting, they likely won't leave unless forced to.
To actually get title, and own the property though, is difficult. It depends on the the state, with the worst states being at least 5 years. Meaning you have to squat on the land for at least 5 years.
The legal term you want to look up is "Adverse possession". In GA, it is as long as 15 to 20 years.
That said, my advice to your friend would be to start the process of removing the squatters as soon as possible, starting with the golden rule, treat people the way you would want to be treated.
1. Meaning ask for a face-to-face talk, and discuss their plans to leave the property civilly.If they have no intention of leaving, and intend to squat...
2. then step two is you must immediately move to find an attorney.
Now this is vital. Each states laws are different. There are rules for conduct as the "land lord" that if you violate, you can end up getting fined, and almost as bad, dragging out the process of removing the squatters.
You absolutely must get legal advice.
Suggestion: Do not get your average joe blow lawyer. Get a lawyer that understands squatting problems, and property law. Contact local real estate brokers in your area, and ask them for who they recommend for removing squatters.
3. you must begin the process of removing squatters quickly, and with as little contact with the squatters as possible.This is where a number of people fall down. They put it off, and procrastinate, and / or, they talk to the squatters too much.
Squatters can cause tons of damage. They are not paying anything for the house, and they know they can not keep it. So they have no reason to stop a bug infestation from spreading, or fix a leak somewhere, or even to not damage the building.
Horror stories abound, with people changing their motor bike oil in the living room, or removing the gutters from the house and selling them as scrap metal. You are not going to get money from these people, and they know it.
Telling the squatters you are going to have them removed, makes them even more likely to damage the place before being forced out. Keep your contact to a minimum. Your state may require you to inform them. Again, get legal advice. But even after you send them the required notification, do not talk to them needlessly.
Lastly, another reason to not put off starting the process of removal, is because (again depending on the state), the process for removing squatters could be a very long time. In some cases, more than 2 years.So again....
1. Sit down, face to face, let them know they need to leave, and ask when that will happen. Set a firm date. Not "sometime in spring".
If they intend to squat....
2. Get an Attorney. Someone experienced in this area of law. Likely one used by real estate brokers already.
3. Start the process as soon as possible. Keep contact to a minimum.
I understand the legal ramifications. I was looking for an answer from the wannabe anarchist who thinks squatters should be able to take over places.
But thanks for the info.
"Not use in the way he likes."Define "Abandon"Squatters are just the ultimate entitlement types.
Not really.
Most squatter communities are DIY oriented and anti-government.
They believe in something for nothing.
Actually they believe in making use of something that is being used for nothing.
Big difference.
If Im not using my property, then they feel like they are entitled to it.
if you abandoned "your property," then it is questionable on whether it even belongs to you.
Be it my back forty or my car, They are nothing but thieves.
The real thieves are those that write lil' pieces of paper allowing them to carve up the earth for themselves, even when they do nothing to sustain or merit their claim.
Yeah...he is totally around the bend, a five-cent mind using five-dollar words.I have a question about these "Squatters Rights". I have a friend who inherited his mother's home. She was in bad health her last few years, so the house needs work before he can sell it or rent it. My friend is a teacher, so extra money takes time.
Are squatters going to move out when my friend has the money to spend on the house? Or do they claim it forever?
If your friend has squatters currently in the home, they are not going to move out when your friend has the money.
The question is, are they actually squatting. If they lived with his mother before she died, they might just be buying time, and will leave the moment he asks.
If they are intentionally squatting, they likely won't leave unless forced to.
To actually get title, and own the property though, is difficult. It depends on the the state, with the worst states being at least 5 years. Meaning you have to squat on the land for at least 5 years.
The legal term you want to look up is "Adverse possession". In GA, it is as long as 15 to 20 years.
That said, my advice to your friend would be to start the process of removing the squatters as soon as possible, starting with the golden rule, treat people the way you would want to be treated.
1. Meaning ask for a face-to-face talk, and discuss their plans to leave the property civilly.If they have no intention of leaving, and intend to squat...
2. then step two is you must immediately move to find an attorney.
Now this is vital. Each states laws are different. There are rules for conduct as the "land lord" that if you violate, you can end up getting fined, and almost as bad, dragging out the process of removing the squatters.
You absolutely must get legal advice.
Suggestion: Do not get your average joe blow lawyer. Get a lawyer that understands squatting problems, and property law. Contact local real estate brokers in your area, and ask them for who they recommend for removing squatters.
3. you must begin the process of removing squatters quickly, and with as little contact with the squatters as possible.This is where a number of people fall down. They put it off, and procrastinate, and / or, they talk to the squatters too much.
Squatters can cause tons of damage. They are not paying anything for the house, and they know they can not keep it. So they have no reason to stop a bug infestation from spreading, or fix a leak somewhere, or even to not damage the building.
Horror stories abound, with people changing their motor bike oil in the living room, or removing the gutters from the house and selling them as scrap metal. You are not going to get money from these people, and they know it.
Telling the squatters you are going to have them removed, makes them even more likely to damage the place before being forced out. Keep your contact to a minimum. Your state may require you to inform them. Again, get legal advice. But even after you send them the required notification, do not talk to them needlessly.
Lastly, another reason to not put off starting the process of removal, is because (again depending on the state), the process for removing squatters could be a very long time. In some cases, more than 2 years.So again....
1. Sit down, face to face, let them know they need to leave, and ask when that will happen. Set a firm date. Not "sometime in spring".
If they intend to squat....
2. Get an Attorney. Someone experienced in this area of law. Likely one used by real estate brokers already.
3. Start the process as soon as possible. Keep contact to a minimum.
I understand the legal ramifications. I was looking for an answer from the wannabe anarchist who thinks squatters should be able to take over places.
But thanks for the info.
Oh. Sorry. Yeah, he's crazy.
Cooperatives are not anarchistic, Then whoever it is that says take your cooperation and shove it, is the anarchist. The person who marches into the eating hall and takes the plates away from others is the anarchist. Cooperatives really have no way of dealing with the rebels except to expel them.The whole rental vs. ownership mentality is the difference in class
between the victims and the victors. The workers parties argue there can be
no peace between workers and owners; these have to become one to be equal.
There are co-ops set up by Greens and other activists in sustainable/cooperative economy
where they train farmers and workers to own and manage their own co-ops.
(look up Ithaca HOURS. Paul Glover and the Greens who set up labor-based local currency)
Introducing HOUR Money
Paul Glover, community organizer
We also need to train people to own and manage their own community campuses,
cities or townships, and business districts if people are ever going to experience equality.
This is what anarchism is about. Taking back control of our lives and redefining our communities in a way that is equitable socially and economically, without the need for rulers.
Community ethics, DIY, collective mutual organization, and direct action are inseparable from the anarchist movement.
Review your state's laws on adverse possession.I have a question about these "Squatters Rights". I have a friend who inherited his mother's home. She was in bad health her last few years, so the house needs work before he can sell it or rent it. My friend is a teacher, so extra money takes time.
Are squatters going to move out when my friend has the money to spend on the house? Or do they claim it forever?
Dear TipsycatloverCooperatives are not anarchistic, Then whoever it is that says take your cooperation and shove it, is the anarchist. The person who marches into the eating hall and takes the plates away from others is the anarchist. Cooperatives really have no way of dealing with the rebels except to expel them.The whole rental vs. ownership mentality is the difference in class
between the victims and the victors. The workers parties argue there can be
no peace between workers and owners; these have to become one to be equal.
There are co-ops set up by Greens and other activists in sustainable/cooperative economy
where they train farmers and workers to own and manage their own co-ops.
(look up Ithaca HOURS. Paul Glover and the Greens who set up labor-based local currency)
Introducing HOUR Money
Paul Glover, community organizer
We also need to train people to own and manage their own community campuses,
cities or townships, and business districts if people are ever going to experience equality.
This is what anarchism is about. Taking back control of our lives and redefining our communities in a way that is equitable socially and economically, without the need for rulers.
Community ethics, DIY, collective mutual organization, and direct action are inseparable from the anarchist movement.
You are agreeing to communisim. You realize that this is communisim don't you. The common ownership of all until the state just withers away and is meaningless.Dear TipsycatloverCooperatives are not anarchistic, Then whoever it is that says take your cooperation and shove it, is the anarchist. The person who marches into the eating hall and takes the plates away from others is the anarchist. Cooperatives really have no way of dealing with the rebels except to expel them.The whole rental vs. ownership mentality is the difference in class
between the victims and the victors. The workers parties argue there can be
no peace between workers and owners; these have to become one to be equal.
There are co-ops set up by Greens and other activists in sustainable/cooperative economy
where they train farmers and workers to own and manage their own co-ops.
(look up Ithaca HOURS. Paul Glover and the Greens who set up labor-based local currency)
Introducing HOUR Money
Paul Glover, community organizer
We also need to train people to own and manage their own community campuses,
cities or townships, and business districts if people are ever going to experience equality.
This is what anarchism is about. Taking back control of our lives and redefining our communities in a way that is equitable socially and economically, without the need for rulers.
Community ethics, DIY, collective mutual organization, and direct action are inseparable from the anarchist movement.
There are different levels degrees or denominations of anarchist beliefs.
Some believe in social contracts between people by mutual agreement.
Some believe in syndicates, which is like the self managed coops.
Some are the more LITERAL anarchists or total lawless antichrist rebellion against any attempt to maintain order.
The types that are Sustainable are the cooperative types of communities. Do we agree we might as well discuss the workable models, and not the approaches that self destruct and can't last?
Dear Tipsycatlover Sorry I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying any ppl have the right to run their own communes if they consent to the rules, not to impose on anyone who doesnt. This is true for any group, to elect the rules they agree to follow and make sure they don't violate consent of any other persons or groupsYou are agreeing to communisim. You realize that this is communisim don't you. The common ownership of all until the state just withers away and is meaningless.Dear TipsycatloverCooperatives are not anarchistic, Then whoever it is that says take your cooperation and shove it, is the anarchist. The person who marches into the eating hall and takes the plates away from others is the anarchist. Cooperatives really have no way of dealing with the rebels except to expel them.The whole rental vs. ownership mentality is the difference in class
between the victims and the victors. The workers parties argue there can be
no peace between workers and owners; these have to become one to be equal.
There are co-ops set up by Greens and other activists in sustainable/cooperative economy
where they train farmers and workers to own and manage their own co-ops.
(look up Ithaca HOURS. Paul Glover and the Greens who set up labor-based local currency)
Introducing HOUR Money
Paul Glover, community organizer
We also need to train people to own and manage their own community campuses,
cities or townships, and business districts if people are ever going to experience equality.
This is what anarchism is about. Taking back control of our lives and redefining our communities in a way that is equitable socially and economically, without the need for rulers.
Community ethics, DIY, collective mutual organization, and direct action are inseparable from the anarchist movement.
There are different levels degrees or denominations of anarchist beliefs.
Some believe in social contracts between people by mutual agreement.
Some believe in syndicates, which is like the self managed coops.
Some are the more LITERAL anarchists or total lawless antichrist rebellion against any attempt to maintain order.
The types that are Sustainable are the cooperative types of communities. Do we agree we might as well discuss the workable models, and not the approaches that self destruct and can't last?
You say you believe in "the human capacity to resolve minor civil disputes"
Ok but what about crimes? What would happen to all criminals in an anarchist society?
You can't do almost anything against those who commit crimes.
Anarchy does NOT work on any scale above a few dozen people
Human Nature sees to that.
Someone will fill the vacuum a strong man a con man or a charmer.
It is a pipe dream to believe man can live without law and order.
NO society survives anarchy.
There are different levels degrees or denominations of anarchist beliefs.
Some believe in social contracts between people by mutual agreement.
Some believe in syndicates, which is like the self managed coops.
Some are the more LITERAL anarchists or total lawless antichrist rebellion against any attempt to maintain order.
Do we agree we might as well discuss the workable models, and not the approaches that self destruct and can't last?
Cooperatives are not anarchistic
Cooperatives really have no way of dealing with the rebels except to expel them.
And who gets to judge whether I am using or maintaining the land?
see HE wants to tell you if you are "sustaining" your own land to his standards if you're not he thinks he can claim it as his own
You are agreeing to communisim. You realize that this is communisim don't you. The common ownership of all until the state just withers away and is meaningless.
