Speak Truth About Iraq

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    According to the McLaughlin Group, on Mississippi Public Broadcasting, the insurgents are now in control of 36 of Iraq's cities and towns. Many of the major cities are included: "Fallujah, Tikrit, Karbala, Najaf and Ramadi". The CIA reports that civil war is possible and Pat Buchanan says that the insurgency is because of us, meaning that by definition, our presence cannot cause its decline. Can this Board at the very least admit now that Iraq is getting out of hand and is nowhere near the rosy picture that President Bush continues to assert? At some point partisan politics has to stop and we must speak about the truth to correctly assess what to do with the situation.
     
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    Well in the face of the esteemed panel of the Mississippi Public Broadcasting system, unconfirmed CIA reports and Pat Buchanan i think we should admit defeat. Lets pack up and leave.
     
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    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610
     
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    damn--and I thought we were doing relatively good in spite of the French!
     
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    Yeah, withdraw now! LOL
     
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    MPB was broadcasting "The McLaughlin Group". The panel members are: John McLaughlin, Eleanor Clift, Tony Blankley, Pat Buchanan and Lawrence O'Donnell. It has nothing to do intrinsically with Mississippi. It is a PBS affiliate.
     
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    In addition, I was not suggesting we admit defeat and run. Why does it have to be all or nothing here? A good strategist knows the truth about the situation so s/he can act accordingly. And the public discourse on Iraq would benefit as well acknowledging what state the situation is in.
     
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    I don't really know the truth about the situation in Iraq because it's a huge picture with lots of people reporting on it from different angles. I'm trusting the administration to do the right thing
     
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    <center><h2><a href=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-usiraq17sep17,1,4668435,print.story?coll=la-headlines-world>Unease Shadows Bush's Optimism</a></h2></center>

    <blockquote>Noting the administration's request to divert $3.4 billion in Iraq reconstruction money to a series of emergency measures, including efforts to improve security, conservative Rep. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) said: "Now, that does not add up, in my opinion, to a pretty picture, to a picture that shows that we're winning. But it does add up to this: an acknowledgment that <b>we are in deep trouble</b>."

    The committee's moderate Republican chairman, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, expressed exasperation at the administration's rosy prewar assessments that as soon as Hussein was deposed, a euphoric Iraqi population would embrace democracy.

    "<b>The nonsense of that is [now] apparent</b>," he said. "<b>The lack of planning is apparent</b>."</blockquote>

    And so, the Republicans begin to feed on their own...They begin to question the wisdom of the man they recently nominated in New York, shamelessly politicizing 9/11 and the "war on terror". The light of truth begins to intrude upon their unquestioned allegiance to Dubbyuh and his administration. And all that needs to be said to them is, "Told ya so..."
     
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    What are you talking about? Hagel has been against the war from the beginning. Why would his opinion matter? He is also the lone republican working with about 8 or 9 Democrats on resinstituting the draft. So why should i listen to him? just cause he has an R next to his name?
     

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