Sorry!

[Dragonlady]

You blame Trump for the equipment being left there then ask what Biden could have done to get the equipment out! Do you even hear yourself? Have you asked what Trump could have done to get the equipment out?

But, to answer your question, Biden could have collected the equipment and returned it to the USA via helicopter, plane, and ship. Pretty easy-peasy stuff.

I didn’t ask what Trump could’ve done to get it out because you weren’t accusing Trump of having abandoning the equipment in the first place.

Afghanistan is 252,000 square miles of mountainous terrain. Biden had until August 31st to get out, and 3000 troops to do it. He extended the evacuation to September 11th.

Biden didn’t have enough planes to get the people out. That’s why the airlines were volunteering passenger jets.

As for helicopters they have neither the transport capability nor the range to get that much equipment out. It would take years for helicopters to take that equipment out, one piece at a time.

And since Afghanistan is a completely landlocked country, ships were out of the question.

Your average right winger doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. All you’re capable of doing is criticizing what others have done.

 

[ActionJackson]

I didn’t ask what Trump could’ve done to get it out because you weren’t accusing Trump of having abandoning the equipment in the first place.

Afghanistan is 252,000 square miles of mountainous terrain. Biden had until August 31st to get out and 3000 troops. He extended the evacuation to September 11th.

Biden didn’t have enough planes to get the people out. That’s why the airlines were volunteering passenger jets.

As for helicopters they have neither the transport capability nor the range to get that much equipment out. It would take years for helicopters to take that equipment out, one piece at a time.

And since Afghanistan is a completely landlocked country, ships were out of the question.

Your average right winger doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. All you’re capable of doing is criticizing what others have done.

Biden had plenty of time to send new military equipment to Ukraine, but zero time to collect our assets from Afghanistan. Who set the timeline, and what would have happened to the USA if she went past that timeline? Would the Taliban scold Biden? Would some invisible force punish him for not meeting some arbitrary timeline? Please!! If Biden knew that a deadline was set, then he should have started collecting America's assets long before the withdrawal of troops.

 

[struth]

Biden had plenty of time to send new military equipment to Ukraine, but zero time to collect our assets from Afghanistan. Who set the timeline, and what would have happened to the USA if she went past that timeline? Would the Taliban scold Biden? Would some invisible force punish him for not meeting some arbitrary timeline? Please!! If Biden knew that a deadline was set, then he should have started collecting America's assets long before the withdrawal of troops.

Frankly, all he had to do is ship them to Ukraine....but the reality that simply wasn't possible when he surrendered to the Taliban.

 

[struth]

I didn’t ask what Trump could’ve done to get it out because you weren’t accusing Trump of having abandoning the equipment in the first place.

Afghanistan is 252,000 square miles of mountainous terrain. Biden had until August 31st to get out, and 3000 troops to do it. He extended the evacuation to September 11th.

Biden didn’t have enough planes to get the people out. That’s why the airlines were volunteering passenger jets.

As for helicopters they have neither the transport capability nor the range to get that much equipment out. It would take years for helicopters to take that equipment out, one piece at a time.

And since Afghanistan is a completely landlocked country, ships were out of the question.

Your average right winger doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. All you’re capable of doing is criticizing what others have done.

Xiden would of had plenty of time had he not surrendered.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Links to Facebook not allowed, I guess. Too bad. Trump telling Tim Russert that he's starting a new Reform party because the right is "too crazy, just nuts" IN 1999!

Its okay, you don't have to apologize, we know how bad stage 4 TDS can be.....

 

[Dragonlady]

Xiden would of had plenty of time had he not surrendered.

Trump is the one who surrendered. Once he signed the agreement with the Taliban, the American backed government fled the country, and the Afghan military lay down their weapons and deserted.

But the real reason that right wing media focusses on the loss of all of this equipment, is to deflect from the fact that Joe Biden managed to get 150,000 people out of Afghanistan, with minimal loss of life.

Right wing media said he would be fortunate to be able to get 50,000 people out and he tripled that number. This is the greatest airlift of civilians in world history. And it’s a remarkable achievement.

But rather than give Joe Biden credit for what he could do, and did do to the very best of his ability, exceeding all expectations and predictions, right wing media focusses on the billions of dollars worth of equipment did Biden had no hope of getting out of the country, and the handful of people left behind. And of course, his failure to vet the people they put on those planes before bringing it into the United States, potentially bringing terrorists into the country.

Since 2021 right wing media has focussed on the ones who didn’t get out, and the equipment that was lost, not the 150,000 that were saved.

Right wing media fails to tell their audiences about anything positive that’s been achieved by Democrats.

And those positive things that they do complete, are spun into complete failures should they fall short in any way.

 

[struth]

Trump is the one who surrendered. Once he signed the agreement with the Taliban, the American backed government fled the country, and the Afghan military lay down their weapons and deserted.

But the real reason that right wing media focusses on the loss of all of this equipment, is to deflect from the fact that Joe Biden managed to get 150,000 people out of Afghanistan, with minimal loss of life.

Right wing media said he would be fortunate to be able to get 50,000 people out and he tripled that number. This is the greatest airlift of civilians in world history. And it’s a remarkable achievement.

But rather than give Joe Biden credit for what he could do, and did do to the very best of his ability, exceeding all expectations and predictions, right wing media focusses on the billions of dollars worth of equipment did Biden had no hope of getting out of the country, and the handful of people left behind. And of course, his failure to vet the people they put on those planes before bringing it into the United States, potentially bringing terrorists into the country.

Since 2021 right wing media has focussed on the ones who didn’t get out, and the equipment that was lost, not the 150,000 that were saved.

Right wing media fails to tell their audiences about anything positive that’s been achieved by Democrats.

And those positive things that they do complete, are spun into complete failures should they fall short in any way.

no, trump didn't...as you have already highlighted Trump had 2500 troops there, a military base, with equipment, not to mention our allies were were there.

The surrender didn't happen til Xiden cut and run in the middle of the night, not even telling out allies...which lead to the Afghan Govt being overthrown by the Taliban, our equipment taken by terrorist, our allies distrusting us, and Xiden becoming the first and only President ever held in contempt of the United Kingdom

 

[miketx]

Because the Repubs have followed the Dems just as far to the left.

Arizona bridge for sale. Cheap.

 

[Dragonlady]

no, trump didn't...as you have already highlighted Trump had 2500 troops there, a military base, with equipment, not to mention our allies were were there.

The surrender didn't happen til Xiden cut and run in the middle of the night, not even telling out allies...which lead to the Afghan Govt being overthrown by the Taliban, our equipment taken by terrorist, our allies distrusting us, and Xiden becoming the first and only President ever held in contempt of the United Kingdom

Trump had 2500 troops there and you say he didn’t cut and run. That’s one US one member of the US military for every 1,000 square miles in Afghanistan. Stand your ground, men!

That’s not even enough people to fully man the base they had there, which is why Biden had to sending more troops to do the evacuation.

Sanity, logic, and reason are in really short supply among conservatives.

 

[The Duke]

I didn’t ask what Trump could’ve done to get it out because you weren’t accusing Trump of having abandoning the equipment in the first place.

Afghanistan is 252,000 square miles of mountainous terrain. Biden had until August 31st to get out, and 3000 troops to do it. He extended the evacuation to September 11th.

Biden didn’t have enough planes to get the people out. That’s why the airlines were volunteering passenger jets.

As for helicopters they have neither the transport capability nor the range to get that much equipment out. It would take years for helicopters to take that equipment out, one piece at a time.

And since Afghanistan is a completely landlocked country, ships were out of the question.

Your average right winger doesn’t have the common sense God gave a goose. All you’re capable of doing is criticizing what others have done.

Most equipment was at Bagram, which was an air base.

Biden was supposed to be out by May 1, but he arbitrarily postponed that for what he thought would be a great photo op

and neglected to put serious effort into bringing equipment back to the US.

Perhaps he was wanting to extend the occupation further.

Well, his arrogance cost a lot of people their lives and taxpayters a lot of money.

Also compromised much of our military. Comm systems, drones, bomb robots, everything.

 

[struth]

Trump had 2500 troops there and you say he didn’t cut and run. That’s one US one member of the US military for every 1,000 square miles in Afghanistan. Stand your ground, men!

That’s not even enough people to fully man the base they had there, which is why Biden had to sending more troops to do the evacuation.

Sanity, logic, and reason are in really short supply among conservatives.

i didn’t say he didn’t cut, he did…to levels our military were good with

he didn’t run…nope we were still there

xiden cut and ran…ignoring the military leadership and the plan for peace agreement.

 

[miketx]

Damn these leftist scum do nothing but lie and obsess over guy that's been kicked out of office three years ago. These freaks are insane!

 

[The Duke]

Biden had plenty of time to send new military equipment to Ukraine, but zero time to collect our assets from Afghanistan. Who set the timeline, and what would have happened to the USA if she went past that timeline?

Trump and the Taliban set the timeline

Would the Taliban scold Biden? Would some invisible force punish him for not meeting some arbitrary timeline?

The Taliban stuck to their side of the deal even though Biden did not honor the US's part.

Please!! If Biden knew that a deadline was set, then he should have started collecting America's assets long before the withdrawal of troops.

But he thought (or his handlers did) he could do whatever he wanted to, ignore the deal with the Taliban, and make a big speech on 9/11 like "he did that".

What happened was they got their asses handed to them for being stupid and arrogant.

 

[Dragonlady]

Most equipment was at Bagram, which was an air base.

Biden was supposed to be out by May 1, but he arbitrarily postponed that for what he thought would be a great photo op

and neglected to put serious effort into bringing equipment back to the US.

Perhaps he was wanting to extend the occupation further.

Well, his arrogance cost a lot of people their lives and taxpayters a lot of money.

Also compromised much of our military. Comm systems, drones, bomb robots, everything.

Once again, you have innuendos, accusations of self-dealing, and allegations of incompetence.

Where is there any evidence that anything you have posted has a shred of truth to it. All you’ve done is repeat the same right wing talking points and criticisms of Joe Biden, which have been made from the beginning - all on no evidence.

 

[Dragonlady]

i didn’t say he didn’t cut, he did…to levels our military were good with

he didn’t run…nope we were still there

xiden cut and ran…ignoring the military leadership and the plan for peace agreement.

And it was because of those cuts that the Taliban was able to overrun the country so quickly. It was because of those cuts that Biden had to send 3000 troops to Afghanistan just to get evacuate the Americans that were there.

None of you has been able to explain how anyone was supposed to get 20 years of accumulation of billions of dollars worth of equipment out of the country with 2500 troops and no transport.

Biden wanted to pull the troops out of Afghanistan after bin Laden was killed and the military talked Obama out of it. That was a mistake.

I haven’t said no mistakes were made on Bidens part. The failure to notify your allies and include them in your plans is the largest among, them. But compared to the complete cluster fuck which was your withdrawal from Vietnam, this was a well conducted and successful operation.

And he still got 150,000 people out which is the biggest airlift in human history.

 

[The Duke]

Once again, you have innuendos, accusations of self-dealing, and allegations of incompetence.

Where is there any evidence that anything you have posted has a shred of truth to it. All you’ve done is repeat the same right wing talking points and criticisms of Joe Biden, which have been made from the beginning - all on no evidence.

Oh?

This is how it went down, dipshit Commie Canuck:

Trump strikes deal with Taliban to withdraw American troops.

U.S.-Taliban sign landmark agreement in bid to end America’s longest war

The U.S. has agreed to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan within 14 months and pull out of five bases in 135 days.

www.nbcnews.com

Biden ignores deal made with Taliban because he's seeking personal glory:

Biden to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by 9/11

All forces will be withdrawn by September 11, 2021, the 20-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

www.cbsnews.com

The result is epic fail:

Analysis: Biden's botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making

The debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan is a political disaster for Joe Biden, whose failure to orchestrate an urgent and orderly exit will further rock a presidency plagued by crises and stain his legacy.

www.cnn.com

 

[struth]

And it was because of those cuts that the Taliban was able to overrun the country so quickly. It was because of those cuts that Biden had to send 3000 troops to Afghanistan just to get evacuate the Americans that were there.

None of you has been able to explain how anyone was supposed to get 20 years of accumulation of billions of dollars worth of equipment out of the country with 2500 troops and no transport.

Biden wanted to pull the troops out of Afghanistan after bin Laden was killed in the military talked Obama out of it. That was a mistake.

I haven’t said no mistakes were made on Bidens part. The failure to notify your allies and include them in your plans is the largest among, them. But compared to the complete cluster fuck which was your withdrawal from Vietnam, this was a well conducted and successful operation.

And he still got 150,000 people out which is the biggest airlift in human history.

Yes, the cuts made by Xiden of removing them all. He ignored the military leadership who said to keep the Trump numbers.

 

[Oddball]

Because he is a far right extremist. Trump wants to terminate the Constitution and install himself as dictator. That makes him a far right extremist but it’s never been a “Republican” policy.

Donald Trump has run off all of the real Republicans and the independents. He has no platform and no policies other than to seize power by any and all means necessary.

Still dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Dragonlady]

Oh?

This is how it went down, dipshit Commie Canuck:

Trump strikes deal with Taliban to withdraw American troops.

U.S.-Taliban sign landmark agreement in bid to end America’s longest war

The U.S. has agreed to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan within 14 months and pull out of five bases in 135 days.

www.nbcnews.com

Biden ignores deal made with Taliban because he's seeking personal glory:

Biden to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by 9/11

All forces will be withdrawn by September 11, 2021, the 20-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

www.cbsnews.com

The result is epic fail:

Analysis: Biden's botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making

The debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan is a political disaster for Joe Biden, whose failure to orchestrate an urgent and orderly exit will further rock a presidency plagued by crises and stain his legacy.

www.cnn.com

Try reading your first link. Dated January 20, 2020 on the signing of the peace agreement between the the Trump administration and the Taliban. Trump promises to withdraw all US troops not later than the end of May 31, 2021.

Trump literally had one year from the date that agreement was signed, until he left office, to begin the orderly removal of all US equipment and personnel from Afghanistan, and other than withdrawing the troops and closing the bases, Trump chose to do nothing, other than to end immigration programs for Afghan contractors working with the American government.

Trump Suspends Visas Allowing Hundreds of Thousands of Foreigners to Work in the U.S. (Published 2020)

The move is fiercely opposed by business leaders, who say it will block their ability to recruit critically needed workers from countries overseas.

www.nytimes.com

When Biden took office on January 21st 2021, there was no plan to evacuate Americans or Afghans working for the American government. Under the agreement which Trump signed, Biden had a little more than 60 days to get everyone and everything out of the country.

Austin Says Trump Pentagon Team Left No Afghanistan Withdrawal Plan

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told lawmakers Wednesday that the Trump administration didn’t leave behind plans for a negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan for him to use when he took over the Pentagon.

www.bloomberg.com

So don’t try this bullshit that it was just over a photo op or self-aggrandizement on Biden’s behalf.

Biden Calls Afghanistan Evacuations âExtraordinary Successâ In Defensive Speech

The president insisted the departure from Afghanistan was timed appropriately, and called the frenzied, dangerous and often chaotic effort to evacuate Americans and Afghans from the Taliban-run country successful.

www.forbes.com

Every link you post confirms my post and the Democratic version of events.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, the cuts made by Xiden of removing them all. He ignored the military leadership who said to keep the Trump numbers.

These are the same military leaders who advise keeping the USA in Afghanistan for 20 years. These are the same military leaders who said they could win the war if you just stay a little longer.

If Biden had listened to your military leaders, you’d still be there.