Some US soldiers see the truth!!

[DiamondDave]

and as far as my classiness goes...actually I was trying to be sarcastic and dumb myself down to the level of most of the conservative posters on this board, who like on the many talk shows and other boards and forums cant seem to argue on the issues and resort to petty name calling on a daily basis.

Stop commenting like an asshole moron, and you will not have to be spoken to like one

 

[CornbreadOracle]

I was trying to be sarcastic and dumb myself down

You needn't try so hard on the dumbness. Really.

Sarcasm, however, is above your pay grade.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

He had no illegal order he was disobeying.... the guy is a disgrace and is in violation of his oath of duty.... he is derelict in his duties and has abandoned his post...

maybe you should try and understand what you are fucking talking about with the military... understand the sense of duty and honor.. understand the commitment one signs up for....

Obviously you don't know the military or its history as well as you pretend .. the DoD PROVIDES for such action and has been since 1962. The number of applications for discharge or transfer remained low until the Vietnam era. Many soldiers and sailors refused to be part of the Vietnam War. Desertion rates went to their highest levels in history. Thousands were court-martialed for many different offenses. Occasionally entire units simply sat down and refused to fight. And the number of applications for CO discharge doubled, and then doubled again. In 1971, 4,381 members of the military applied.

I know the military very well and I know there is honor in refusing to participate in atrocities.

 

[DiamondDave]

Obviously you don't know the military or its history as well as you pretend .. the DoD PROVIDES for such action and has been since 1962. The number of applications for discharge or transfer remained low until the Vietnam era. Many soldiers and sailors refused to be part of the Vietnam War. Desertion rates went to their highest levels in history. Thousands were court-martialed for many different offenses. Occasionally entire units simply sat down and refused to fight. And the number of applications for CO discharge doubled, and then doubled again. In 1971, 4,381 members of the military applied.

I know the military very well and I know there is honor in refusing to participate in atrocities.

There is no goddamn atrocity, nor is there an illegal order this AWOL fucker is refusing... this fucker went goddamn AWOL, abandoned his post, was derelict in his duties, there is no fucking excuse this asshole has

but nice try

As for me pretending? I actually fucking served and lived the military life... while your little socialist ass was dreaming of kissing the ass of Karl Marx....

 

[sealybobo]

There is no goddamn atrocity, nor is there an illegal order this AWOL fucker is refusing... this fucker went goddamn AWOL, abandoned his post, was derelict in his duties, there is no fucking excuse this asshole has

but nice try

As for me pretending? I actually fucking served and lived the military life... while your little socialist ass was dreaming of kissing the ass of Karl Marx....

Fascist Diamonddavemomfucker

 

[DiamondDave]

Lest you forget to, since you say you are informed on the military, you answer a conscientious objector question when you join... and let you not forget too that this AWOL fuck sought out the enlistment after 9-11 to serve in defense of this country... this is nothing more than a goddamn coward

Any soldier has the option of trying to end his/her enlistment... you can file the paperwork... but that does not give one the right to abandon duty, post, or orders... this coward should be locked up for many charges including possibly desertion...

 

[Angel Heart]

Fuck him... There are consequences for all of our actions. He choose to join so fuck him. If he was drafted I might feel different but he wasn't.

 

[DiamondDave]

Fascist Diamonddavemomfucker

Idiot liberal troll bobo the clown... clueless as to anything about the military and also without any clue about honor, duty, commitment, and service to one's country

 

[BlackAsCoal]

There is no goddamn atrocity, nor is there an illegal order this AWOL fucker is refusing... this fucker went goddamn AWOL, abandoned his post, was derelict in his duties, there is no fucking excuse this asshole has

but nice try

As for me pretending? I actually fucking served and lived the military life... while your little socialist ass was dreaming of kissing the ass of Karl Marx....

Massive stupid.

Millions of Americans have served in the military, including me dummy. There ain't shit special about you because you were in the military.

What "illegal order" does one have to be in violation of to be a CO? A conscientious objector is a person who believes that it is wrong to kill another human being in war. The military defines conscientious objection as a "firm, fixed and sincere objection to war in any form or the bearing of arms" because of deeply-held moral, ethical, or religious beliefs. A lot of people in the military believe it's too late to be a CO now that they have enlisted, but the fact is many people realize they are opposed to participation in war after joining the military, and they are discharged as COs

It seems the only thing you know about the military is shit you were told to do.

 

[Andrew2382]

SHE!!!??? Im a guy you friggin nitwit....and ok no i didnt read the whole thing...I skimmed over it...my bad for misstating facts...maybe you should lock me up since im a liberal socialist commie!....oh wait as far as we know i still have rights in this country.....DAMMIT!! wrong again...Bush squashed all rights when enacting the unpatriot act....FUCK.....maybe you should lock me up...IM such an evil doing terrorist loving bastard! ;-P

you know it's amazing everyone goes off on the patriot act but when the authroities arrested the people who were threatning to kill obama using authorization granted to them by the patriot act noone said anything

 

[DiamondDave]

Massive stupid.

Millions of Americans have served in the military, including me dummy. There ain't shit special about you because you were in the military.

What "illegal order" does one have to be in violation of to be a CO? A conscientious objector is a person who believes that it is wrong to kill another human being in war. The military defines conscientious objection as a "firm, fixed and sincere objection to war in any form or the bearing of arms" because of deeply-held moral, ethical, or religious beliefs. A lot of people in the military believe it's too late to be a CO now that they have enlisted, but the fact is many people realize they are opposed to participation in war after joining the military, and they are discharged as COs

It seems the only thing you know about the military is shit you were told to do.

Try looking at and understanding the DoD regs about CO's.... this fucker coward does not have any right to disobey his orders or deployment.. he has a huge burden of proof... he has his cowardly right to try and get out as a CO, but he has no right to do as he did....

nice try though

 

[Navy1960]

When a person especially during any conflict walks into a US Military Recruiters office they are signing up with the knowledge that the US Military is in the "Defense Business". When that sailor, soldier, airmen, marine, takes the oath they do so freely and in the case of enlisted personnel the oath includes following the orders of those appointed over them as well as the president of the United States who just happens to be the CIC. The Military is NOT McDonalds where if you don't like your boss or the hours , you can up and go to work at Taco Bell. This young person was fully aware of ALL of this , prior to AIT and prior to his or her notification of deployment to Afghanistan. I have no sympathy for this young man at all, as he has dishonored himself and most of all betrayed the trust of those around him who WILL deploy and perhaps some will not return as a result of his decision. This disgraceful action should not be held up to be admired as some stand on moral principles as this young person is not a civilian had knew what they were getting into. To admire these actions is to admire the lowest form cowardice and betrayal of friendship, duty, and honor. This young man should be dishonorably discharged from the Military.

 

[Andrew2382]

Dishonorbale Discharge in my opinion

 

[sealybobo]

Lest you forget to, since you say you are informed on the military, you answer a conscientious objector question when you join... and let you not forget too that this AWOL fuck sought out the enlistment after 9-11 to serve in defense of this country... this is nothing more than a goddamn coward

Any soldier has the option of trying to end his/her enlistment... you can file the paperwork... but that does not give one the right to abandon duty, post, or orders... this coward should be locked up for many charges including possibly desertion...

Dear President Bush:

Enclosed please find a copy of the U.S. Constitution. I wish you'd make some time in your busy schedule to read it.

I would have hoped that you'd be pretty familiar with it already, because you have at least three times in your life taken a solemn oath to uphold, protect and defend it, but all the signs indicate that you either don't know what's in it, or you don't care.

For example, do you recall what the Constitution says about habeas corpus? It's only 26 words, and they are very clear: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

So, what were you thinking when you signed the Detainee Treatment Act, which does precisely what the Constitution forbids by suspending habeas corpus?

And while you're at it, why not take a look at Article VI, part of which seems to have escaped your notice: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land."

If you understand that treaties are the law of the land, where do you get the nonsense you put out on a regular basis about torture? Because, as surely someone in the White House must be aware, the U.S. is a signatory to the international Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

The convention against torture makes a clear statement, which (according to the Constitution) is the "Law of the Land:" "For the purposes of this Convention, the term 'torture' means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

Just read it, Mr. President. And then uphold, protect and defend it, like you swore you would.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

When a person especially during any conflict walks into a US Military Recruiters office they are signing up with the knowledge that the US Military is in the "Defense Business". When that sailor, soldier, airmen, marine, takes the oath they do so freely and in the case of enlisted personnel the oath includes following the orders of those appointed over them as well as the president of the United States who just happens to be the CIC. The Military is NOT McDonalds where if you don't like your boss or the hours , you can up and go to work at Taco Bell. This young person was fully aware of ALL of this , prior to AIT and prior to his or her notification of deployment to Afghanistan. I have no sympathy for this young man at all, as he has dishonored himself and most of all betrayed the trust of those around him who WILL deploy and perhaps some will not return as a result of his decision. This disgraceful action should not be held up to be admired as some stand on moral principles as this young person is not a civilian had knew what they were getting into. To admire these actions is to admire the lowest form cowardice and betrayal of friendship, duty, and honor. This young man should be dishonorably discharged from the Military.

Surely you recognize the validity of CO status.

Young impressionable soldiers may not realize the consequences of their signing up .. and/or may not get a better picture of what is happening until after they sign up.

Say for instance a young impressionable person was moved by the events of 9/11 to join up to fight the terrorists and stop Saddam from using WMD .. then later, as did all of planet earth, find out that Saddam doesn't have WMD, and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 .. are you suggesting that that person has no right to dissent? No right to answer to their own conscience? No right to intelligence?

Just do as you're told no matter what you're told?

 

[DiamondDave]

Dishonorbale Discharge in my opinion

Dishonorable discharge is the least any coward CO should receive.. they go thru the motions, file their paperwork, and continue their assigned duties... upon all the proper completion they get their dishonorable discharge

But when one of these cowards is derelict in duty, disobeys orders, goes AWOL, dishonors him/herself their unit and the military, has conduct unbecoming a soldier, etc.. they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent... if they are guilty of desertion or treason, they should have the death penalty brought up as a possibility in their trial

 

[ABikerSailor]

Anyone else remember that Army LT a couple of years back who refused to deploy to Iraq because he believed that Iraq was an unjust war? However, even though he refused to go to Iraq, he was still willing to deploy to Afghanistan/Pakistan because that is where OBL and the Taliban was.

I supported him on that one, because I believed he was right. What's even more is that the LT said that he was going to stay where his command was, and take his lumps, even if it meant doing brig time. I actually respected him for standing up for what he thought was right, as well as agreed quite a bit with him.

This dumb fucker that is refusing because he doesn't want to go? Well.....it looks like he's only trying to save his own skin and that he's terrified of war, and a pussy as well.

THIS dude shouldn't be sent to jail, send him to GITMO.

 

[DiamondDave]

Surely you recognize the validity of CO status.

Young impressionable soldiers may not realize the consequences of their signing up .. and/or may not get a better picture of what is happening until after they sign up.

Say for instance a young impressionable person was moved by the events of 9/11 to join up to fight the terrorists and stop Saddam from using WMD .. then later, as did all of planet earth, find out that Saddam doesn't have WMD, and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 .. are you suggesting that that person has no right to dissent? No right to answer to their own conscience? No right to intelligence?

Just do as you're told no matter what you're told?

They can file to get out as a coward all they want... get their dishonorable discharge and go on with their little coward lives.... ... They have no right to disobey any lawful order.. they have no right to be derelict in their duty... they have no right to go AWOL.. they have no right to have conduct unbecoming a soldier.. they have no right to violate UCMJ.. no right to refuse any deployment to a particular war

Lock this coward up

 

[Andrew2382]

Dear President Bush:

Enclosed please find a copy of the U.S. Constitution. I wish you'd make some time in your busy schedule to read it.

I would have hoped that you'd be pretty familiar with it already, because you have at least three times in your life taken a solemn oath to uphold, protect and defend it, but all the signs indicate that you either don't know what's in it, or you don't care.

For example, do you recall what the Constitution says about habeas corpus? It's only 26 words, and they are very clear: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

So, what were you thinking when you signed the Detainee Treatment Act, which does precisely what the Constitution forbids by suspending habeas corpus?

And while you're at it, why not take a look at Article VI, part of which seems to have escaped your notice: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land."

If you understand that treaties are the law of the land, where do you get the nonsense you put out on a regular basis about torture? Because, as surely someone in the White House must be aware, the U.S. is a signatory to the international Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

The convention against torture makes a clear statement, which (according to the Constitution) is the "Law of the Land:" "For the purposes of this Convention, the term 'torture' means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

Just read it, Mr. President. And then uphold, protect and defend it, like you swore you would.

Yeah, I love the CCR, Fighting hard to give peopl ewho want to kill us the same American rights we have... I wonder if people like Daniel Pearl agrees with everything they stand for...

 

[sealybobo]

Surely you recognize the validity of CO status.

Young impressionable soldiers may not realize the consequences of their signing up .. and/or may not get a better picture of what is happening until after they sign up.

Say for instance a young impressionable person was moved by the events of 9/11 to join up to fight the terrorists and stop Saddam from using WMD .. then later, as did all of planet earth, find out that Saddam doesn't have WMD, and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 .. are you suggesting that that person has no right to dissent? No right to answer to their own conscience? No right to intelligence?

Just do as you're told no matter what you're told?

They stop lost our soldiers over and over again to go back to Iraq and sit in the middle of a civil war. Bush didn't care about progress because Haloburton & Blackwater were making $10 billion dollars a month. Why would you want to win when losing is so lucrative? So these soldiers kept getting sent back and as time went on they realized they were not doing the right thing. They were being used in a war for profit. And AMERICA wasn't even profitting. Haloburton & Blackwater were, along with the oil companies. So this soldier's wife is leaving him and he lost his job and meanwhile Blackwater employees are making $250K to their $30k. And then they see guys like John McCain voting against veteran bills???

I'd go awol too.

See, this is what Rev. Wright meant by God Damn America. Not GD Gore or Clinton or Kerry or Obama, but God Damn the Republicans who have been ruining, I mean running this country for the past 8 years.

And GOD DAMN the guys running the country during Viet Nam! Not Kennedy, but Nixon & Johnson. LOL.