Solar Spectral Shift And Earths Atmospherics

[Crick]

The references to Wikipedia's "garbage". Let's see yours Billy Bob.

References

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[Billy_Bob]

The references to Wikipedia's "garbage". Let's see yours Billy Bob.

References
<SNIP>

Every single one is dependent on Global Climate Model.... None of them are based on empirical evidence...

This is how corrupted science has become. They place their variables in to a hodgepodge model, with no way to check its output.. And they write papers about it.. 42 papers by Michael Mann or citing him of the 62. Knowing the garbage Mann has put out it doesn't bode well for the outputs.. Garbage in Garbage Out... The others i dont care to read at this point.

 

[flacaltenn]

Now Crick is littering the place with stuff he'll never read and has no hope of understanding.

I PERSONALLY enjoyed..

1. Jump up^ "Arquivo de eventos históricos - Página 4 - MeteoPT.com - Fórum de Meteorologia". MeteoPT.com. 17 July 2012. Retrieved 24 June 2013.

I found it muy bueno...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Now Crick is littering the place with stuff he'll never read and has no hope of understanding.

I PERSONALLY enjoyed..

1. Jump up^ "Arquivo de eventos históricos - Página 4 - MeteoPT.com - Fórum de Meteorologia". MeteoPT.com. 17 July 2012. Retrieved 24 June 2013.

I found it muy bueno...

No Habla Espanio.... I found it funny that it is a Spanish blogg... and its and enviro-wacko blogg to boot...

 

[Crick]

The references to Wikipedia's "garbage". Let's see yours Billy Bob.

References
<SNIP>

Every single one is dependent on Global Climate Model.... None of them are based on empirical evidence...

What the fuck are you talking about? The discussion here concerns the Little Ice Age. Those references are making use of historical data and paleoclimatic proxies. There is virtually NO model usage in any of those references. It is almost nothing BUT empirical data.

This is how corrupted science has become. They place their variables in to a hodgepodge model, with no way to check its output..

Yo. Numbnuts. What model? What corruption? You just spew sound bites thinking something will stick somewhere. Well, sorry, but as the Bard has told us, "the truth will out"

And they write papers about it.. 42 papers by Michael Mann or citing him of the 62.

You don't actually know what Michael Mann's does for a living, do you.

Knowing the garbage Mann has put out it doesn't bode well for the outputs.. Garbage in Garbage Out...

I am not in the least surprised that you would insult the work of Michael Mann. But since you have no idea why you're supposed to do so, it lacks the impact it might have coming from someone who bothers to pick up a few facts here and there. But then, people who pick up a few facts here and there (and aren't prone to lie) wouldn't accuse Michael Mann of putting out garbage.

The others i dont care to read at this point.

Ha ha ha haaaa. What's wrong with you people? I didn't put all that up there because I thought you should read it, though it certainly wouldn't hurt you to read SOMETHING. I was only pointing out that the Wikipedia article to which I referred re the LIA had a great deal of authoritative references while your contentions on the topic have essentially none.

 

[Crick]

Now Crick is littering the place with stuff he'll never read and has no hope of understanding.

I PERSONALLY enjoyed..

1. Jump up^ "Arquivo de eventos históricos - Página 4 - MeteoPT.com - Fórum de Meteorologia". MeteoPT.com. 17 July 2012. Retrieved 24 June 2013.

I found it muy bueno...

I personally enjoyed your failure to follow the conversation.

 

[Billy_Bob]

What the fuck are you talking about? The discussion here concerns the Little Ice Age. Those references are making use of historical data and paleoclimatic proxies. There is virtually NO model usage in any of those references. It is almost nothing BUT empirical data.

<snip>

Ha ha ha haaaa. What's wrong with you people? I didn't put all that up there because I thought you should read it, though it certainly wouldn't hurt you to read SOMETHING. I was only pointing out that the Wikipedia article to which I referred re the LIA had a great deal of authoritative references while your contentions on the topic have essentially none.

Every singe one of those use proxy data input to models to create their output records. I Repeat AGAIN; MODEL OUTPUTS ARE NOT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of anything...

Your like a rabbit that drops lots of little shit pellets all over hoping just one of them will grow to be a tree. WIki is a shit source.. changeable at a whim and has proven crap. Just keep on using your shit pellets..

 

[flacaltenn]

And what the hell dooes the title Climate Change and Witch Hunting have to offer to the discussion you tool? Just summarize in your own words. What a joke..... You are essentially pooping all over the forum..

 

[Kosh]

The references to Wikipedia's "garbage". Let's see yours Billy Bob.

References
<SNIP>

Every single one is dependent on Global Climate Model.... None of them are based on empirical evidence...

What the fuck are you talking about? The discussion here concerns the Little Ice Age. Those references are making use of historical data and paleoclimatic proxies. There is virtually NO model usage in any of those references. It is almost nothing BUT empirical data.

This is how corrupted science has become. They place their variables in to a hodgepodge model, with no way to check its output..

Yo. Numbnuts. What model? What corruption? You just spew sound bites thinking something will stick somewhere. Well, sorry, but as the Bard has told us, "the truth will out"

And they write papers about it.. 42 papers by Michael Mann or citing him of the 62.

You don't actually know what Michael Mann's does for a living, do you.

Knowing the garbage Mann has put out it doesn't bode well for the outputs.. Garbage in Garbage Out...

I am not in the least surprised that you would insult the work of Michael Mann. But since you have no idea why you're supposed to do so, it lacks the impact it might have coming from someone who bothers to pick up a few facts here and there. But then, people who pick up a few facts here and there (and aren't prone to lie) wouldn't accuse Michael Mann of putting out garbage.

The others i dont care to read at this point.

Ha ha ha haaaa. What's wrong with you people? I didn't put all that up there because I thought you should read it, though it certainly wouldn't hurt you to read SOMETHING. I was only pointing out that the Wikipedia article to which I referred re the LIA had a great deal of authoritative references while your contentions on the topic have essentially none.

Posts like this show beyond of a shadow of doubt and show empirically that you hate real science and that none of your postings are based in reality.

Another fail AGW cult posting.

 

[Crick]

The references to Wikipedia's "garbage". Let's see yours Billy Bob.

References
<SNIP>

Every single one is dependent on Global Climate Model.... None of them are based on empirical evidence...

What the fuck are you talking about? The discussion here concerns the Little Ice Age. Those references are making use of historical data and paleoclimatic proxies. There is virtually NO model usage in any of those references. It is almost nothing BUT empirical data.

This is how corrupted science has become. They place their variables in to a hodgepodge model, with no way to check its output..

Yo. Numbnuts. What model? What corruption? You just spew sound bites thinking something will stick somewhere. Well, sorry, but as the Bard has told us, "the truth will out"

And they write papers about it.. 42 papers by Michael Mann or citing him of the 62.

You don't actually know what Michael Mann's does for a living, do you.

Knowing the garbage Mann has put out it doesn't bode well for the outputs.. Garbage in Garbage Out...

I am not in the least surprised that you would insult the work of Michael Mann. But since you have no idea why you're supposed to do so, it lacks the impact it might have coming from someone who bothers to pick up a few facts here and there. But then, people who pick up a few facts here and there (and aren't prone to lie) wouldn't accuse Michael Mann of putting out garbage.

The others i dont care to read at this point.

Ha ha ha haaaa. What's wrong with you people? I didn't put all that up there because I thought you should read it, though it certainly wouldn't hurt you to read SOMETHING. I was only pointing out that the Wikipedia article to which I referred re the LIA had a great deal of authoritative references while your contentions on the topic have essentially none.

Posts like this show beyond of a shadow of doubt and show empirically that you hate real science and that none of your postings are based in reality.

Another fail AGW cult posting.

It shows empirically that I hate real science?

Good god are you stupid.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Got to love it...

DOE and NASA report that their solar array's used to calculate solar panel output loss have now breached an 8.3% LOSS of usable radiation in the 0.2-0.6um band.

As solar panels use a very narrow band within this to generate energy, it shows the loss of down-welling radiation that can warm the oceans is falling off considerably.. Now not only do we have to worry about energy not making it to the surface of the earth but cooling oceans to boot as the majority of ocean warming is done in the 0.2um to 0.8um spectrum of down-welling solar radiation....

I wonder why this information was so hard to find? No one is talking about this. Looks like I need to do some serious digging and verify it with other sources.. If the spectral shift is this massive were in for some serious cooling..

 

[SSDD]

Got to love it...

DOE and NASA report that their solar array's used to calculate solar panel output loss have now breached an 8.3% LOSS of usable radiation in the 0.2-0.6um band.

As solar panels use a very narrow band within this to generate energy, it shows the loss of down-welling radiation that can warm the oceans is falling off considerably.. Now not only do we have to worry about energy not making it to the surface of the earth but cooling oceans to boot as the majority of ocean warming is done in the 0.2um to 0.8um spectrum of down-welling solar radiation....

I wonder why this information was so hard to find? No one is talking about this. Looks like I need to do some serious digging and verify it with other sources.. If the spectral shift is this massive were in for some serious cooling..

I would be interesting to see how much UV output has decreased in the bands responsible for the production of O3 in the stratosphere.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I put up SEVERAL threads on this topic over the past couple years.
Because there was no real comprehensive information available, I didn't draw any conclusions other than to state how little we know about OTHER monumentally important details of the Climate system. Especially, the variance of direct solar excitation..

Folks who are screaming consensus and settled science will naturally attack any science that points out MASSIVE HOLES in general climate knowledge. That's OK -- guess they would consider themselves Grateful Tards. Especially gaps that could potentially put the dangers of CO2 into its proper perspective..

Glad to hear from BillyBob that this problem is being worked. Part of the "renaissance" of Climate Science that I'm seeing in the past year or so. Real stuff is gonna apparently gonna get more attention than the fables.

And to think that this was noticed by a power company trying to ascertain why their precious solar panels were degrading so quickly, when they were less than three years old... Funny thing is, the shift has gradually gone farther. Some power company solar stations at 35 deg lat are experiencing 12-15% losses in output from startup. This leeds me to believe this might not be over and the shift will remain for some time. We simply do not know how long this condition will last or how critical this shift will become. Lowering the direct energy, that warms the oceans, could put us in a glacial cycle in very short order.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Got to love it...

DOE and NASA report that their solar array's used to calculate solar panel output loss have now breached an 8.3% LOSS of usable radiation in the 0.2-0.6um band.

As solar panels use a very narrow band within this to generate energy, it shows the loss of down-welling radiation that can warm the oceans is falling off considerably.. Now not only do we have to worry about energy not making it to the surface of the earth but cooling oceans to boot as the majority of ocean warming is done in the 0.2um to 0.8um spectrum of down-welling solar radiation....

I wonder why this information was so hard to find? No one is talking about this. Looks like I need to do some serious digging and verify it with other sources.. If the spectral shift is this massive were in for some serious cooling..

I would be interesting to see how much UV output has decreased in the bands responsible for the production of O3 in the stratosphere.

I just emailed a friend who might be able to get me that info.. Interesting thought as it would also affect cloud cover...

 

[SSDD]

Got to love it...

DOE and NASA report that their solar array's used to calculate solar panel output loss have now breached an 8.3% LOSS of usable radiation in the 0.2-0.6um band.

As solar panels use a very narrow band within this to generate energy, it shows the loss of down-welling radiation that can warm the oceans is falling off considerably.. Now not only do we have to worry about energy not making it to the surface of the earth but cooling oceans to boot as the majority of ocean warming is done in the 0.2um to 0.8um spectrum of down-welling solar radiation....

I wonder why this information was so hard to find? No one is talking about this. Looks like I need to do some serious digging and verify it with other sources.. If the spectral shift is this massive were in for some serious cooling..

I would be interesting to see how much UV output has decreased in the bands responsible for the production of O3 in the stratosphere.

I just emailed a friend who might be able to get me that info.. Interesting thought as it would also affect cloud cover...

I would be very interested in seeing the results...certain bots on the board can't accept that natural reactants and catalysts to O3 present in the stratosphere in concentrations of 780,000ppm, the fact that solar output of UV varies wildly from year to year and the fact that the holes themselves are seasonal explain the decrease in O3...he prefers to believe that a molecule present at about 3 parts per BILLION is entirely responsible.

I don't think for a minute that actual data would have any effect on his belief, or the beliefs of any of the cultists on the board...but it would be good to know the numbers anyway.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Got to love it...

DOE and NASA report that their solar array's used to calculate solar panel output loss have now breached an 8.3% LOSS of usable radiation in the 0.2-0.6um band.

As solar panels use a very narrow band within this to generate energy, it shows the loss of down-welling radiation that can warm the oceans is falling off considerably.. Now not only do we have to worry about energy not making it to the surface of the earth but cooling oceans to boot as the majority of ocean warming is done in the 0.2um to 0.8um spectrum of down-welling solar radiation....

I wonder why this information was so hard to find? No one is talking about this. Looks like I need to do some serious digging and verify it with other sources.. If the spectral shift is this massive were in for some serious cooling..

I would be interesting to see how much UV output has decreased in the bands responsible for the production of O3 in the stratosphere.

I just emailed a friend who might be able to get me that info.. Interesting thought as it would also affect cloud cover...

I would be very interested in seeing the results...certain bots on the board can't accept that natural reactants and catalysts to O3 present in the stratosphere in concentrations of 780,000ppm, the fact that solar output of UV varies wildly from year to year and the fact that the holes themselves are seasonal explain the decrease in O3...he prefers to believe that a molecule present at about 3 parts per BILLION is entirely responsible.

I don't think for a minute that actual data would have any effect on his belief, or the beliefs of any of the cultists on the board...but it would be good to know the numbers anyway.

This can be said of most alarmists. Any observed data, which points away from CO2 as being responsible for our natural variation, will be ignored.

 

[Crick]

0.2 to 0.6 uM? 8.3% That must be the cause of all that snow.

And, I find it interesting that as of last Sunday Same Shit was STILL looking for UV data to support the ozone contention he's been screaming about for the last four weeks as the absolute word of god. I posted four different UV datasets and NONE of them supported his contention. But, of course deniers ignore anything that refutes their presuppositions. ; - )

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Its laughable to believe that the Sun or Earth's magnetic field has any effect on our climate when climate science teaches us that CO2 functions much like the turtles supporting the Earth on their backs.

It's CO2 all the way

 

[Crick]

Wrong thread Frank

 

[Billy_Bob]

0.2 to 0.6 uM? 8.3% That must be the cause of all that snow.

And, I find it interesting that as of last Sunday Same Shit was STILL looking for UV data to support the ozone contention he's been screaming about for the last four weeks as the absolute word of god. I posted four different UV datasets and NONE of them supported his contention. But, of course deniers ignore anything that refutes their presuppositions. ; - )

I should have the updated EREB satellite data for him later this week.. Polar LWIR (Arctic) escape has increased +6.8% over last three years... The LWIR release happening today, has never been seen in the satellite record.