Socialism vs Social Liberalism. They're not the same thing

[washamericom]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

that fact that only demoscrags can own the definition of socialism proves, that by your guarding so closely, means you're afraid of it. typical non denial denial glossing over. maybe we should save this thread for november third, your argument is tiresome. you sound of liberal liberalism, how 'bout social liberal conservatism with a dash of tobasco... idiot

Dipshit, you can't even define socialism, you think anything given to someone who doesn't work for it socialism when socialism is the opposite of that, socialisms advocates a method of compensation based on individual merit or the amount of labour one contributes to society.

sounds as if you we're partying in college instead of going to social polictical philosohpy class. if you can't see obama as a socialist, then i guess there are no socialist countries in europe. i think part of your problem, and don't take this the wrong way, is that you have blinders on and would lap up anything obama reid and pelosi served up. you were in one of obama's campaign rally crowds just beaming... "wow, he's going to save the world".... hey walter brennen, the barn's on fire... the barn's on fire !
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lue6_3EtXc]YouTube - obama's metropolis 0001[/ame]

 

[DiamondDave]

If you knew what the fck you were talking about numbskull you wouldn't have said that social liberalism is a stance.

Asshole... social liberalism is not a political system.. it is an ideology... a belief... ... it is clear you are a complete idiot numbskull

There are socially liberal policies that are not socialist and in line fiscal conservatism, you partisan fucked up mind can't get that. I never said social liberalism was a political system you ugly fuck, I said socialism and social liberalism aren't the same. Socially liberal programs are not socialist.

There are no 'social liberal programs'... because as SHOWN and TOLD to you, social liberalism is a belief.... so saying that Obama and the far left Dems are running a 'social liberal' system and not going toward a socialist one is idiotic....

And as I said to you in the very first post I made, you imbecile, yes socialism and social liberalism are different.. because one is indeed a political and economic system and one is a belief....

God, you are an idiot....

 

[washamericom]

Asshole... social liberalism is not a political system.. it is an ideology... a belief... ... it is clear you are a complete idiot numbskull

There are socially liberal policies that are not socialist and in line fiscal conservatism, you partisan fucked up mind can't get that. I never said social liberalism was a political system you ugly fuck, I said socialism and social liberalism aren't the same. Socially liberal programs are not socialist.

There are no 'social liberal programs'... because as SHOWN and TOLD to you, social liberalism is a belief.... so saying that Obama and the far left Dems are running a 'social liberal' system and not going toward a socialist one is idiotic....

And as I said to you in the very first post I made, you imbecile, yes socialism and social liberalism are different.. because one is indeed a political and economic system and one is a belief....

God, you are an idiot....

government employment is up ten %.... private sect jobs down 7 %... there's your socialiberalism "belief"

 

[loosecannon]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

yes well perhaps you should stop calling them "shitheads" and "teabastards" too.

or are you above your own rules?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

 

[Si modo]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

Prove that you believe what you type.

 

[johnrocks]

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative, isn't that basically a libertarian or "old right" conservative in the mold of Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft or Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater

 

[Si modo]

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative, isn't that basically a libertarian or "old right" conservative in the mold of Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft or Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater

Goldwater was classically liberal. Big difference. And, neither social liberalism nor socialism claim fiscal conservatism, at least while keeping a straight face.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

Prove that you believe what you type.

Prove that I believe what I type? Sure: Si modo is a curmudgeon. Google "Si modo" and review the thousands of posts she submitted on the other message board from which she was banned, proof she is a bad-tempered, difficult, cantankerous person.

 

[Si modo]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

Prove that you believe what you type.

Prove that I believe what I type? Sure: Si modo is a curmudgeon. Google "Si modo" and review the thousands of posts she submitted on the other message board from which she was banned, proof she is a bad-tempered, difficult, cantankerous person.

No, I said prove that you believe what you type. It's a clear question, albeit idiotic, but a valid one at this point as you have implied others don't.

Moron.

 

[johnrocks]

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative, isn't that basically a libertarian or "old right" conservative in the mold of Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft or Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater

Goldwater was classically liberal. Big difference. And, neither social liberalism nor socialism claim fiscal conservatism, at least while keeping a straight face.

Reason I asked is because;as a lifelong Republican; I've been called a libertarian and socially liberal yet fiscally conservative.

I think political labels are getting confusing as hell

 

[Si modo]

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative, isn't that basically a libertarian or "old right" conservative in the mold of Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft or Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater

Goldwater was classically liberal. Big difference. And, neither social liberalism nor socialism claim fiscal conservatism, at least while keeping a straight face.

Reason I asked is because;as a lifelong Republican; I've been called a libertarian and socially liberal yet fiscally conservative.

I think political labels are getting confusing as hell

At least in the USA they are.

Definitions are definitions, but some seem to think noise changes them.

 

[washamericom]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

see the next pane

 

[washamericom]

Wonderful thread! A perfect example of the echo chamber unable to debate an issue which questions what they've been told what to believe.
Instead of providing examples to support what they believe, because they can't, they devolve into profane ad hominem attacks on the original poster. Sadly he too feel into the trap - as we all do sometimes - and responded in kind.

btw, the OP is spot on; there are many socially liberal Americans who are fiscally conservtive. And, I have no doubt, but no proof, that there are many socially conservative posters on this message board who call themselves conservative, but in fact are in debt.

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Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.
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i even went back and checked.. the op started out nasty, we had a nice debate going, before you dropped in. and like there's a big difference in symantics. you would taylor the def to suit your needs anyway. loser, nobody feeled into a trap, whatever that means. how is redistribution of wealth, nationalizing big corporations and acorn style gerrymandering not socialism? social liberalism, gimme a break.... i like pelosi's jailtime for not buying health insurance... "do you think it's fair if some people don't pay", why don't we just force everybody to work at the fuckin' post office?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X9B0pgomzY[/ame]

check out tip o'neil in the background, he's thinking about global warming and cap and trade, no socialist liberalism there...

 

[Liberty]

Flaylo, are you for health care for everyone that is provided by and paid for by government? (this post goes for every one who can answer yes to the first question, actually)

If so, do you believe there is a human right to essential health care?

If so, do you believe that the rich should pay for the health care of the poor via higher taxes?

If so, since you believe that the responsibility to provide health care to the poor belongs to the rich, do you believe that the poor person has a responsibility to the rich person to not smoke, not drink, not have sex with hookers and get STDs, and overall live a healthy life style?

Or is the poor person, in your view, permitted to engage in unhealthy acts?

If you believe the poor person, whose health care is provided by the rich person via taxes, is not responsible to be healthy, then where is the equality, exactly?

How is this equal treatment?

If it is not equal, do you support unequal treatment based on income and net worth?

If so, why would anyone want to excel in life via their nurturing of talents if the end result would be the government punishes them? What would be the person's motivation to succeed, if the government punishes success?

I await your response.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Democrat Party contains many social liberals (they all are) who are fiscally Conservative like, um, er, hmmm, um...

 

[washamericom]

Flaylo, are you for health care for everyone that is provided by and paid for by government? (this post goes for every one who can answer yes to the first question, actually)

If so, do you believe there is a human right to essential health care?

If so, do you believe that the rich should pay for the health care of the poor via higher taxes?

If so, since you believe that the responsibility to provide health care to the poor belongs to the rich, do you believe that the poor person has a responsibility to the rich person to not smoke, not drink, not have sex with hookers and get STDs, and overall live a healthy life style?

Or is the poor person, in your view, permitted to engage in unhealthy acts?

If you believe the poor person, whose health care is provided by the rich person via taxes, is not responsible to be healthy, then where is the equality, exactly?

How is this equal treatment?

If it is not equal, do you support unequal treatment based on income and net worth?

If so, why would anyone want to excel in life via their nurturing of talents if the end result would be the government punishes them? What would be the person's motivation to succeed, if the government punishes success?

I await your response.

thank god the caviary's here... fabulous fuckin favio, starts a nasty post then his surrogte "socially libereral thinkers in concept only" comes along and names the "would be debaters" as namecallers... then tumbleweeds... thanks for taking over, gilmore girls is on, see you later. i'm watching a show without histrionics

 

[Liberty]

Flaylo, are you for health care for everyone that is provided by and paid for by government? (this post goes for every one who can answer yes to the first question, actually)

If so, do you believe there is a human right to essential health care?

If so, do you believe that the rich should pay for the health care of the poor via higher taxes?

If so, since you believe that the responsibility to provide health care to the poor belongs to the rich, do you believe that the poor person has a responsibility to the rich person to not smoke, not drink, not have sex with hookers and get STDs, and overall live a healthy life style?

Or is the poor person, in your view, permitted to engage in unhealthy acts?

If you believe the poor person, whose health care is provided by the rich person via taxes, is not responsible to be healthy, then where is the equality, exactly?

How is this equal treatment?

If it is not equal, do you support unequal treatment based on income and net worth?

If so, why would anyone want to excel in life via their nurturing of talents if the end result would be the government punishes them? What would be the person's motivation to succeed, if the government punishes success?

I await your response.

thank god the caviary's here... fabulous fuckin favio, starts a nasty post then his surrogte "socially libereral thinkers in concept only" comes along and names the "would be debaters" as namecallers... then tumbleweeds... thanks for taking over, gilmore girls is on, see you later. i'm watching a show without histrionics

lol i chased flaylo out of one of his other threads too. XD

 

[washamericom]

Flaylo, are you for health care for everyone that is provided by and paid for by government? (this post goes for every one who can answer yes to the first question, actually)

If so, do you believe there is a human right to essential health care?

If so, do you believe that the rich should pay for the health care of the poor via higher taxes?

If so, since you believe that the responsibility to provide health care to the poor belongs to the rich, do you believe that the poor person has a responsibility to the rich person to not smoke, not drink, not have sex with hookers and get STDs, and overall live a healthy life style?

Or is the poor person, in your view, permitted to engage in unhealthy acts?

If you believe the poor person, whose health care is provided by the rich person via taxes, is not responsible to be healthy, then where is the equality, exactly?

How is this equal treatment?

If it is not equal, do you support unequal treatment based on income and net worth?

If so, why would anyone want to excel in life via their nurturing of talents if the end result would be the government punishes them? What would be the person's motivation to succeed, if the government punishes success?

I await your response.

thank god the cavilary's here... fabulous fuckin favio, starts a nasty post then his surrogte "socially libereral thinkers in concept only" comes along and names the "would be debaters" as namecallers... then tumbleweeds... thanks for taking over, gilmore girls is on, see you later. i'm watching a show without histrionics

lol i chased flaylo out of one of his other threads too. XD

nice work amigo, in good conscience, i'm hanging up my spurs for the day, it suddenlty feels like a friday ! hehaw