Socialism vs Social Liberalism. They're not the same thing

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    Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.
     
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    Social liberalism is not the same thing... it is a stance, not a political system... but you social liberals call for socialist and socialist inspired programs to bring about the changes that you spout off about... and uber-left politicians like Obama try to bring out those socialist and socialist inspired programs...

    No go put your padded helmet back on before you cause yourself more brain damage
     
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    Shit breath , before you respond to me look up social liberalism and socialism.
     
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    You're not seriously trying to say the obama is "fiscally conservative", are you?
     
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    Right. Social Liberalism is not Socialism; it's an applied ideology that eventually leads to Socialism if not reigned, and reigned hard.

    Contrary to Classical Liberalism, which advocates that individual rights are natural, inalienable, inherent, and exist independent of type of governement but allows for government involvement in protecting those inalienable rights (from within - criminals, and from without - invasion) and establishing public works for the good of all which are not suited for the market because of little profit, Social Liberalism expands government's role to correct social wrongs.

    Somehow, I have no idea how, those who buy this believe that poverty (for example) can be eradicated and that government is best suited to mitigate these sorts of economic problems.

    First of all, those who refuse to accept human nature (ie. egoist) and the existence of a Bell Curve will find it easy to buy into social liberalism and socialism. I believe that is the fundamental flaw of the ideology. Regardless, we already have a good dose of programs resulting from social liberalism: public education and health care, for example.

    Yes, national healthcare has yet to be implemented; however there has already been insidious government intervention into the healthcare market over the years to create the monster that needed this 'reform'. That government intervention is a failure on its face as more government intervention was sold to fix it. One doesn't need to fix something that isn't broken.

    And one simply needs to look at how competitive the products of our public education are in the world market to conclude that is also a failure.

    Based on that, I cannot in good conscience buy into Social Liberalism. I am a Classical Liberal who puts the inalienable rights of the individual above almost all.
     
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    I've reread the OP three times and I'll be damned if I can make heads or tails of it. Is Obama a fiscal Conservative? What point is he trying to make?
     
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    Eh, I just filtered out the incoherent parts and went with what was actually coherent. It seems to me that his gripe is with the opposition calling Obama a socialist when he believes that Obama is a social liberal. To me, that doesn't really matter; social liberalism is just a means to an end - socialism. Social liberalism is just more of a progressive change, rather than an instant change.
     
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    That's what I thought, it's a distinction without a difference, like saying Obama is socially liberally oriented toward Progressive Marxist Ideology, but he's not a Socialist!

    Record debt, deficits and poverty, I think the proper thing to call him is Epic Fail
     
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    They are. For example I am a libertarian, but also a capitalist. Chomsky is a libertarian, but also a socialist. So in the case of Obama if he puts forward social democratic or liberal policies, he is still a socialist (just a different type of socialist).
     
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    Retard... I have and know the difference... and I, as Si Modo has shown you, pointed out the minor difference between the ideology and the political and economic system...

    The key is, asswipe idiot, what you preach in your ideology is brought forth by the system of socialism...

    Go fuck yourself with a pineapple
     
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