Socialism vs Social Liberalism. They're not the same thing

[Flaylo]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

 

[DiamondDave]

Social liberalism is not the same thing... it is a stance, not a political system... but you social liberals call for socialist and socialist inspired programs to bring about the changes that you spout off about... and uber-left politicians like Obama try to bring out those socialist and socialist inspired programs...

No go put your padded helmet back on before you cause yourself more brain damage

 

[Flaylo]

Social liberalism is not the same thing... it is a stance, not a political system... but you social liberals call for socialist and socialist inspired programs to bring about the changes that you spout off about... and uber-left politicians like Obama try to bring out those socialist and socialist inspired programs...

No go put your padded helmet back on before you cause yourself more brain damage

Shit breath , before you respond to me look up social liberalism and socialism.

 

[ba1614]

You're not seriously trying to say the obama is "fiscally conservative", are you?

 

[Si modo]

Right. Social Liberalism is not Socialism; it's an applied ideology that eventually leads to Socialism if not reigned, and reigned hard.

Contrary to Classical Liberalism, which advocates that individual rights are natural, inalienable, inherent, and exist independent of type of governement but allows for government involvement in protecting those inalienable rights (from within - criminals, and from without - invasion) and establishing public works for the good of all which are not suited for the market because of little profit, Social Liberalism expands government's role to correct social wrongs.

Somehow, I have no idea how, those who buy this believe that poverty (for example) can be eradicated and that government is best suited to mitigate these sorts of economic problems.

First of all, those who refuse to accept human nature (ie. egoist) and the existence of a Bell Curve will find it easy to buy into social liberalism and socialism. I believe that is the fundamental flaw of the ideology. Regardless, we already have a good dose of programs resulting from social liberalism: public education and health care, for example.

Yes, national healthcare has yet to be implemented; however there has already been insidious government intervention into the healthcare market over the years to create the monster that needed this 'reform'. That government intervention is a failure on its face as more government intervention was sold to fix it. One doesn't need to fix something that isn't broken.

And one simply needs to look at how competitive the products of our public education are in the world market to conclude that is also a failure.

Based on that, I cannot in good conscience buy into Social Liberalism. I am a Classical Liberal who puts the inalienable rights of the individual above almost all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I've reread the OP three times and I'll be damned if I can make heads or tails of it. Is Obama a fiscal Conservative? What point is he trying to make?

 

[Si modo]

I've reread the OP three times and I'll be damned if I can make heads or tails of it. Is Obama a fiscal Conservative? What point is he trying to make?

Eh, I just filtered out the incoherent parts and went with what was actually coherent. It seems to me that his gripe is with the opposition calling Obama a socialist when he believes that Obama is a social liberal. To me, that doesn't really matter; social liberalism is just a means to an end - socialism. Social liberalism is just more of a progressive change, rather than an instant change.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I've reread the OP three times and I'll be damned if I can make heads or tails of it. Is Obama a fiscal Conservative? What point is he trying to make?

Eh, I just filtered out the incoherent parts and went with what was actually coherent. It seems to me that his gripe is with the opposition calling Obama a socialist when he believes that Obama is a social liberal. To me, that doesn't really matter; social liberalism is just a means to an end - socialism. Social liberalism is just more of a progressive change, rather than an instant change.

That's what I thought, it's a distinction without a difference, like saying Obama is socially liberally oriented toward Progressive Marxist Ideology, but he's not a Socialist!

Record debt, deficits and poverty, I think the proper thing to call him is Epic Fail

 

[hipeter924]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

They are. For example I am a libertarian, but also a capitalist. Chomsky is a libertarian, but also a socialist. So in the case of Obama if he puts forward social democratic or liberal policies, he is still a socialist (just a different type of socialist).

 

[DiamondDave]

Social liberalism is not the same thing... it is a stance, not a political system... but you social liberals call for socialist and socialist inspired programs to bring about the changes that you spout off about... and uber-left politicians like Obama try to bring out those socialist and socialist inspired programs...

No go put your padded helmet back on before you cause yourself more brain damage

Shit breath , before you respond to me look up social liberalism and socialism.

Retard... I have and know the difference... and I, as Si Modo has shown you, pointed out the minor difference between the ideology and the political and economic system...

The key is, asswipe idiot, what you preach in your ideology is brought forth by the system of socialism...

Go fuck yourself with a pineapple

 

[The Rabbi]

It doesnt matter whether Obama is a socialist, a social liberal, a liberal, or a Marxist.
He is the most incompetent president ever and the biggest liar since Richard Nixon.

 

[Flaylo]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

They are. For example I am a libertarian, but also a capitalist. Chomsky is a libertarian, but also a socialist. So in the case of Obama if he puts forward social democratic or liberal policies, he is still a socialist (just a different type of socialist).

Well Colin powell and the late Jack Kemp were fiscally conservative but socially liberal, socialism and social liberalism are not the same. If Obama was a true, real socialist, his health care bill would have decreed that private and non-government sponsored health are illegal and they would have been collectivized.

 

[washamericom]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

that fact that only demoscrags can own the definition of socialism proves, that by your guarding so closely, means you're afraid of it. typical non denial denial glossing over. maybe we should save this thread for november third, your argument is tiresome. you sound of liberal liberalism, how 'bout social liberal conservatism with a dash of tobasco... idiot

 

[Flaylo]

Social liberalism is not the same thing... it is a stance, not a political system... but you social liberals call for socialist and socialist inspired programs to bring about the changes that you spout off about... and uber-left politicians like Obama try to bring out those socialist and socialist inspired programs...

No go put your padded helmet back on before you cause yourself more brain damage

Shit breath , before you respond to me look up social liberalism and socialism.

Retard... I have and know the difference... and I, as Si Modo has shown you, pointed out the minor difference between the ideology and the political and economic system...

The key is, asswipe idiot, what you preach in your ideology is brought forth by the system of socialism...

Go fuck yourself with a pineapple

If you knew what the fck you were talking about numbskull you wouldn't have said that social liberalism is a stance.

 

[DiamondDave]

Shit breath , before you respond to me look up social liberalism and socialism.

Retard... I have and know the difference... and I, as Si Modo has shown you, pointed out the minor difference between the ideology and the political and economic system...

The key is, asswipe idiot, what you preach in your ideology is brought forth by the system of socialism...

Go fuck yourself with a pineapple

If you knew what the fck you were talking about numbskull you wouldn't have said that social liberalism is a stance.

Asshole... social liberalism is not a political system.. it is an ideology... a belief... ... it is clear you are a complete idiot numbskull

 

[Flaylo]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

that fact that only demoscrags can own the definition of socialism proves, that by your guarding so closely, means you're afraid of it. typical non denial denial glossing over. maybe we should save this thread for november third, your argument is tiresome. you sound of liberal liberalism, how 'bout social liberal conservatism with a dash of tobasco... idiot

Dipshit, you can't even define socialism, you think anything given to someone who doesn't work for it socialism when socialism is the opposite of that, socialisms advocates a method of compensation based on individual merit or the amount of labour one contributes to society.

 

[del]

Basically everything the conservatives and Tea Bastards have been calling socialism is really social liberalism, the two are not the same. Its not a contradiction to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, perhaps you shitheads who've been calling Obama and his policies socialism should do your own research and educated yourselves on what real socialism is versus social liberalism.

that fact that only demoscrags can own the definition of socialism proves, that by your guarding so closely, means you're afraid of it. typical non denial denial glossing over. maybe we should save this thread for november third, your argument is tiresome. you sound of liberal liberalism, how 'bout social liberal conservatism with a dash of tobasco... idiot

Dipshit, you can't even define socialism, you think anything given to someone who doesn't work for it socialism when socialism is the opposite of that, socialisms advocates a method of compensation based on individual merit or the amount of labour one contributes to society.

shouldn't you be counting messkits and leaving the thinking to those who can?

 

[Flaylo]

Retard... I have and know the difference... and I, as Si Modo has shown you, pointed out the minor difference between the ideology and the political and economic system...

The key is, asswipe idiot, what you preach in your ideology is brought forth by the system of socialism...

Go fuck yourself with a pineapple

If you knew what the fck you were talking about numbskull you wouldn't have said that social liberalism is a stance.

Asshole... social liberalism is not a political system.. it is an ideology... a belief... ... it is clear you are a complete idiot numbskull

There are socially liberal policies that are not socialist and in line fiscal conservatism, you partisan fucked up mind can't get that. I never said social liberalism was a political system you ugly fuck, I said socialism and social liberalism aren't the same. Socially liberal programs are not socialist.

 

[Flaylo]

that fact that only demoscrags can own the definition of socialism proves, that by your guarding so closely, means you're afraid of it. typical non denial denial glossing over. maybe we should save this thread for november third, your argument is tiresome. you sound of liberal liberalism, how 'bout social liberal conservatism with a dash of tobasco... idiot

Dipshit, you can't even define socialism, you think anything given to someone who doesn't work for it socialism when socialism is the opposite of that, socialisms advocates a method of compensation based on individual merit or the amount of labour one contributes to society.

shouldn't you be counting messkits and leaving the thinking to those who can?

Another asshat who define socialism and social liberalism but trying to school me. I'm not a cook, a Blackhawk Crew Chief/FISTER is not a cook.

 

[del]

If you knew what the fck you were talking about numbskull you wouldn't have said that social liberalism is a stance.

Asshole... social liberalism is not a political system.. it is an ideology... a belief... ... it is clear you are a complete idiot numbskull

There are socially liberal policies that are not socialist and in line fiscal conservatism, you partisan fucked up mind can't get that. I never said social liberalism was a political system you ugly fuck, I said socialism and social liberalism aren't the same. Socially liberal programs are not socialist.

those messkits aren't going to count themselves, bubba