So Palin Doesn't Believe in Evolution...

[Cecilie1200]

I didn't invoke taxonomy concerning the word "monkey", fucktard. I invoked the dictionary for that. Taxonomy came up when you erroneously claimed that humans are apes, something that I notice you mysteriously have forgotten all about.

I haven't "forgotten" anything. I explained the taxonomy of homo sapiens. That we ARE apes. It seems to be you who has forgotten (ignored) the fact. Humans belong to the Hominidae family, which is the family of great apes. You can fall me a fucktard all you like, but your ad hominems do nothing to excuse the fact that you're are wrong and are unable to confront the issue on the evidence.

No, we are NOT apes. We are humans. Belonging to a taxonomical family doesn't make us apes. It makes us hominids. Someone should have told you that "ape" - like "monkey" - isn't a taxonomical term.

You really have no idea how classifications work at all, do you? You just slew wildly between generalized common-English terms and scientific names as though they're all the same thing, with no idea what any of them mean. It's like watching a train wrecking.

"Ape" and "monkey", being common English terms, are often used as synonyms, which is why the dictionary lists "monkey" as part of the definition for "ape". For those who wish to be more precise about their - still common - Engish, one CAN differentiate between them, but they still aren't scientific, taxonomic terms by any means.

Taxonomic classifications are assigned to living organisms based on certain characteristics. All of the organisms in a classification share the characteristics of that classification. Humans are hominids, as are certain other primates. "Hominid" does NOT mean "ape", and being a hominid doesn't make humans apes any more than being a member of Canidae makes a coyote a dog.

 

[geauxtohell]

Oh my God. That means Palin is as dumb as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. They didn't believe in evolution either.

It would have been hard for them to believe in a theory that hadn't been proposed yet.

Species was published in 1859. All of these men, with the exception of Lincoln were dead by then.

Lincoln had better things to do in the next five years of his life than debate the natural sciences I would suspect.

Damn you guys look stupid when you make this point.

My statement is factual. Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory.

They didn't believe in Einstein's theory of General Relativity or that diseases were caused by bacteria or that syphilis could be cured.

Therefore, we can logically conclude today that all the above statements still hold true.

By far, the most absurd statement by people in the anti-evolution camp make is the lame "it's a just a theory".

You automatically relegate yourself to the "ignorant" camp when you do so.

 

[gekaap]

I think that would be the problem. While the theory of relativity has been subsequently supported many times, the theory of evolution hasn't.

Yes, it has been supported, many times over. You're probably unaware because you probably aren't willing to hear about it. But there is a plethora of evidence, including a wealth of fossil records and DNA evidence, to support the fact that over long periods of time species change, with small changes eventually adding up such that new species arise.

Every time a proponent of evolution is asked for proof, they respond with what amounts to a giant smokescreen. No one has to do that concerning relativity.

What smokescreen? You want proof? Okay, how about the Neanderthals? A completely different species of human beings. Hundreds of Neanderthal fossils have been discovered. Their anatomy is shown to be markedly different than Homo sapiens. A couple years ago DNA from discovered specimens allowed scientists to map the Neanderthal genome. The genetic difference between you and me, or between any two given people, is about 1 base pair out of every 1000, or about .1% of our total genetic material. The difference in genetic material between any given Homo sapiens and a Neanderthal is three times that amount.

I don't much care if evolution is true or not, but I absolutely refuse to be told I HAVE to believe in something that can't compel that belief on its own.

Nobody said you have to believe in evolution. But if a person refuses to recognize the massive amount of evidence supporting a proposition, refuses to acknowledge evidence that is put in front of him or her, and/or chooses to be willfully ignorant in favor of maintaining a pre-determined conclusion, then such things speak to the person's intelligence and the merit of their way of thinking.

 

[gekaap]

No, we are NOT apes. We are humans. Belonging to a taxonomical family doesn't make us apes. It makes us hominids. Someone should have told you that "ape" - like "monkey" - isn't a taxonomical term.

Oh geez, you haven't the first clue what you're talking about, and your raving as if you were an expert. Hominids are apes, by definition.

You really have no idea how classifications work at all, do you? You just slew wildly between generalized common-English terms and scientific names as though they're all the same thing, with no idea what any of them mean. It's like watching a train wrecking.

I know exactly what they mean. You're just determined to not accept the facts. You've come up with pre-determined conclusions about what words must mean; those self chosen meanings are molded around your conclusions in an attempt to make "facts" fit when they don't.

"Ape" and "monkey", being common English terms, are often used as synonyms

Only by people who are completely ignorant of what the real meaning of the words are, like you. It's like calling a dolphin a fish. Lots of people say it, but only because they are ignorant about the matter.

which is why the dictionary lists "monkey" as part of the definition for "ape"

If you really wanted an authoritative source you should have picked up a biology book. I used your same source to look up the word "dolphin" and the definition it provided called them small whales. That's obviously not accurate. So instead of trumpeting merriam-webster as some kind of definitive source to back up your pathetic semantics game, why don't you do the sensible thing, which is to seek out additional sources?

For those who wish to be more precise about their - still common - Engish, one CAN differentiate between them, but they still aren't scientific, taxonomic terms by any means.

I don't understand why you accused me of switching back and forth between "plain english" and scientific terms, when the only one doing so is you. The taxonomy classifications of humans is a scientific matter, to be discussed in scientific terms. I said that humans are apes, and that is true. I explained the taxonomic classification of humans, and pointed to the rung in the ladder that identifies us as apes. Scientifically speaking an ape is a member of the hominidae family, and humans are a member.

But here you are trying to now inject inaccurate colloquialisms in an attempt to claim that my analysis of the scientific information is inaccurate. The only one who is using "different" types of language is you.

Taxonomic classifications are assigned to living organisms based on certain characteristics. All of the organisms in a classification share the characteristics of that classification. Humans are hominids, as are certain other primates. "Hominid" does NOT mean "ape", and being a hominid doesn't make humans apes any more than being a member of Canidae makes a coyote a dog.

Really? Coyotes are not a kind of dog? I suppose you're going to say that lions aren't cats either.

 

[jgarden]

Anyway, does anybody actually believe politicians' pronouncements about evolution, creationism and belief or not in god? They say whatever the pollsters say they should.

I reckon Palin is really a hard core atheist who reads Richard Dawkins with a torch under her bedsheets at night after her PR crew have told her to go to bed.

I reckon it's kinda like Barack Obama who reads the Koran (and Playgirl) with a torch under his bedsheet at night after Michelle tells him to go to bed.

guys... really?

Given that "Wicked Jester" wants to be noticed, but really has nothing substantive to add to the conversation, he's exercising the only option available to someone with his limitations - make a cheap joke at someone else's expense!

 

[Wicked Jester]

I reckon it's kinda like Barack Obama who reads the Koran (and Playgirl) with a torch under his bedsheet at night after Michelle tells him to go to bed.

guys... really?

Given that "Wicked Jester" wants to be noticed, but really has nothing substantive to add to the conversation, he's exercising the only option available to someone with his limitations - make a cheap joke at someone else's expense!

Quit yer bitchin' lib.....We've had enough of listening to you whiney liberal fucks.

It's been bad days in loony liberal land lately.......GOOD!

 

[Agit8r]

If she is so stupid as to not believe in evolution she should only be a candidate for president of her church bake sale committee.

Same for Mike Huckabee? Not qualified to be president because...?

If he doesnt believe in evolution he is too superstitious and prone to believing fairy tales to be president.

Yes. We can't have foreign policy decisions that are based entirely on how they play into the Book of Revelations like they were from 2001-2008

 

[jgarden]

guys... really?

Given that "Wicked Jester" wants to be noticed, but really has nothing substantive to add to the conversation, he's exercising the only option available to someone with his limitations - make a cheap joke at someone else's expense!

Quit yer bitchin' lib.....We've had enough of listening to you whiney liberal fucks.

It's been bad days in loony liberal land lately.......GOOD!

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[midcan5]

Some old threads and odd topics never die. Evolution is amazing stuff and it does not remove Gawd from the picture if you are religious, even the Catholic Church accepts it as fact. This is a great book and the one on Science below is super too for those interested in topic.

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[jgarden]

Personally, I choose to believe that mankind is not some sort a terrestrial anomaly, where our existence serves no purpose. I also choose to believe that humans are more than the sum total of their parts and that we are qualitatively different than any other lifeform fo a reason.

That being said, a literal interpretation of the Bible would conclude that the world is flat and that Galileo's findings were incorrect. If one believes in a God, engaging in endless debates over creatismism vs evolution is unnecessary because "HOW" (mechanics, timelines) God created the world is largely irrelevent.

There is nothing to be gained by refuting science and then have the rug pulled out from under you, as was the case with Galileo centuries earlier!

 

[peach174]

Palin ,Bush and President Obama are Christians. Why are you picking on Palin & Bush?
Obama as a Christian does not believe in evolution either.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Evolution is a fact, denying evolution is every bit as stupid as denying gravity or denying the earth orbits the sun.

If you want to deny the theory of evolution or the theory of gravity so be it, still scientifically silly more often than not but not as bad as denying 100% proveable facts.

No credibly scientist without a religious agenda disputes evolution, the how and why (aka the theory) is and should be disputed as everything in science should be but again that's different.

 

[peach174]

Evolution is still a theory. It is still called the theory of evolution. They have not found the missing link yet and they will never find it because it doesn't exist.

 

[Gadawg73]

Evolution is still a theory. It is still called the theory of evolution. They have not found the missing link yet and they will never find it because it doesn't exist.

Gravity is a theory. Go jump off of your roof head first and see if that theory is valid or not.

Do you know there is a difference in scientific theory and other theories. Have you heard of the "scientific method? What is that and how does that apply to evolution, the earth being round and the earth not being the center ofthe universe?
I am a Christian and believe in evolution. Wnat is evolution?

 

[konradv]

Palin ,Bush and President Obama are Christians. Why are you picking on Palin & Bush?
Obama as a Christian does not believe in evolution either.

Why would Obama not believe in evolution, just because he's a Christian? There are many who, why single him out?

 

[AmericanFirst]

If she is so stupid as to not believe in evolution she should only be a candidate for president of her church bake sale committee.

If you are stupid enough to believe in the lie of evolution you shouldn't be 4th grade class president. Palin is right.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Evolution is still a theory. It is still called the theory of evolution. They have not found the missing link yet and they will never find it because it doesn't exist.

No, I repeat, evolution is a fact.

Evolution is a fact.

Gravity is a fact.

The Theory of Evolution is a theory.

The Theory of Gravity is a theory.

Now you wouldn't deny the fact of gravity because it has a theory attached to it, why not stick to your principles and not deny the fact of evolution because it has a theory attached to it?

(moments like this are why I'm so happy I was able to break free from the shackles of religion)

 

[AmericanFirst]

If she is so stupid as to not believe in evolution she should only be a candidate for president of her church bake sale committee.

Same for Mike Huckabee? Not qualified to be president because...?

If he doesnt believe in evolution he is too superstitious and prone to believing fairy tales to be president.

At least Huckabee isn't a socialist like the evil lefties, they are the fairy...tales.

 

[konradv]

Evolution is still a theory. It is still called the theory of evolution. They have not found the missing link yet and they will never find it because it doesn't exist.

How did you go about proving it doesn't exist? That's as silly as people who say God doesn't exist, just because they haven't seen him. The "missing link" doesn't have to found for evolution to be true. The evidence is all around us in the fossil record.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Same for Mike Huckabee? Not qualified to be president because...?

If he doesnt believe in evolution he is too superstitious and prone to believing fairy tales to be president.

At least Huckabee isn't a socialist like the evil lefties, they are the fairy...tales.

Yes, yes he is every bit as socialist as democrats.

Check his spending and tax-hiking record.

No one who takes fiscal conservatism seriously wants to be anywhere near this man politically.