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I think VaYank asks terrific questions.
How's about someone answer? Was it worth what it cost in American lives?
It won't take 20 more years to know there were no WMD, CG. If we cannot even define why we were there, how can we decide whether it was worth it?
yea we put on hannity right after. was hilarious with him and john mccain
SO, besides killing more Iraqis, and getting more of our own troops killed, did you understand what the "great success" of the surge was, exactly?
I wouldn't know if he was nation building because a.) I cannot read his mind, and b) I have no idea what you mean by that term.
Did you purposely not answer my second and most important question?
Your second question is conditional on the first. Since I do not know if he was nation building, I do not have to explain if it was wroth it, or what we got out of it. One of the advantages of being able to understand English is not getting caught in traps like that one.
Well, there I agree with you. We should have removed Saddam in 1991. But it would also have been nice if we had not been his supporter and supplier in the 1970's and 1980's.
After spending just a little time watching Faux News after President Obama's speech, I think I heard nearly 2 dozen times that Obama should have thanked Bush for his "vision" for the surge and that he should have declared "victory" in Iraq. WTF? We won? Do these history and military geniuses also consider Vietnam and Korea "victories" simply because our troops did their jobs??
I think VaYank asks terrific questions.
How's about someone answer? Was it worth what it cost in American lives?
Well, there I agree with you. We should have removed Saddam in 1991. But it would also have been nice if we had not been his supporter and supplier in the 1970's and 1980's.
Hindsight is always 20:20.
Fact is, we did what we did and nothing will change it. At the time, the political landscape was different and, given the same circumstances, we would probably have to do the something similar.... and 20 years later, we would view that decision differently. I'm not a great believer in applying today's standards to history. It tends to blur the issues.
I wouldn't know if he was nation building because a.) I cannot read his mind, and b) I have no idea what you mean by that term.
Did you purposely not answer my second and most important question?
Your second question is conditional on the first. Since I do not know if he was nation building, I do not have to explain if it was wroth it, or what we got out of it. One of the advantages of being able to understand English is not getting caught in traps like that one.
17 days after the Marines crossed the berm, to be exact.We did win. Nearly 2 years ago. That's why Bush arranged the withdrawal.
The "surge" was a bullshit smokescreen. The violence started going down when we started PAYING the effing insurgents not to shoot at us. Seriously, why even bring up the bogus "surge" anymore? This war was created by the bush admin. to make money for defense contractors they were in bed with. Nothing more and nothing less.
"We need to understand that buying off your enemy is a good short-term solution to gain a respite from violence," he says, "but it's not a long-term solution to creating a legitimate political order inside a country that, quite frankly, is recovering from the worst sort of civil war."
Military Officials Disagree on Impact of Surge : NPR
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....you were supposed to forget about the "paying off the terrorists" part. That looks bad on Bush and also takes the "vcitory" away from our troops....
Don't expect the dishonest hacks on the Right like LoneSTarLogic et al. to ever discuss anything with a level of truth and honesty.The "surge" was a bullshit smokescreen. The violence started going down when we started PAYING the effing insurgents not to shoot at us. Seriously, why even bring up the bogus "surge" anymore? This war was created by the bush admin. to make money for defense contractors they were in bed with. Nothing more and nothing less.
"We need to understand that buying off your enemy is a good short-term solution to gain a respite from violence," he says, "but it's not a long-term solution to creating a legitimate political order inside a country that, quite frankly, is recovering from the worst sort of civil war."
Military Officials Disagree on Impact of Surge : NPR
And, Obama's taking credit for it.The "surge" was a bullshit smokescreen. ....
And, Obama's taking credit for it.