So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?

[HUGGY]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

 

[Billy000]

YAWN.

Dimwitcraps controlled the house and senate for the first half of his administration didn't they?

And once again you blame Obama's lack of leadership on someone else. If the guy can't convince people who don't agree with him to at least work with him then he is a complete failure as a politician and a leader.

After all, the work of a politician consists of nothing but convincing other people to agree with you.

Yeah, the democrats dragged their feet in the first two years, but that is no longer relevant. These proposals came a year after repubs took control of the House.

Not only that, but the bill was quite bi-partisan.

So you're still saying Obama has not failed as a leader and politician?

If he can only get things done when everyone agrees with him, then he is NOT a leader.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You are basing his uselessness on this one example. You obviously do not know much about him.

Obama is a centrist, He is bound to clash with both parties.

 

[Stephanie]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Well why not? According to you left wingers EVERYTHING today is Boooooooooooooooshs fault..

waaa

 

[Billy000]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

On the contrary, it is half of Obama's fault. The other half is automatic spending to keep the country afloat.

 

[HUGGY]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Obama doesn't need no stinking bill to spend like a drunken sailor. Bills are just "suggestions". They don't mean anything.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah, the democrats dragged their feet in the first two years, but that is no longer relevant. These proposals came a year after repubs took control of the House.

Not only that, but the bill was quite bi-partisan.

So you're still saying Obama has not failed as a leader and politician?

If he can only get things done when everyone agrees with him, then he is NOT a leader.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You are basing his uselessness on this one example. You obviously do not know much about him.

Obama is a centrist, He is bound to clash with both parties.

So he can't convince people of either party to work with him?

It doesn't matter if he clashes it matters only if he can get people to agree with him and he obviously can't.

So tell me again how that makes him a successful leader

 

[Billy000]

So you're still saying Obama has not failed as a leader and politician?

If he can only get things done when everyone agrees with him, then he is NOT a leader.

What's so hard to understand about that?

You are basing his uselessness on this one example. You obviously do not know much about him.

Obama is a centrist, He is bound to clash with both parties.

So he can't convince people of either party to work with him?

It doesn't matter if he clashes it matters only if he can get people to agree with him and he obviously can't.

So tell me again how that makes him a successful leader

I don't deny he hasn't been as effective as he could, but I wouldn't call him ineffective in general. I think he's learned since the GOP takeover in 2010 and has accomplished a lot.

Here is a pretty comprehensive list:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

http://the-democratic-republican.blogspot.com/2011/12/list-of-president-obamas.html

 

[Seawytch]

Reduce the deficit by taking more from people instead of cutting spending is fucking ignorant.

Only an utter moron would parrot this shit as good attempts to save the economy.

Only a moron would look only at cutting. It needs to be both cutting and revenue generating.

A moron starts two unpaid for wars while cutting taxes AND mandating unpaid for Medicare Part D...that's a TRUE moron.

 

[Seawytch]

Notice how it hasn't gone down for a SINGLE President...it's an upward chart for EVERY SINGLE ONE of them...

 

[Cammmpbell]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

 

[The Rabbi]

Government Spending Details: Federal State Local for 2012 - Charts

I can answer the question for you, Rabbi. Check out the pie chart in that link.

US Government Spending Breakdown: Federal, State, Local for 2012 - Charts

OK. so what's the issue? Obama has spent more money than every president combined. His mentions of debt reduction are simply political lip service. HE is the most unserious player in debt reduction out there. Because spending benefits specific desired constituents while cutting doesn't help anyone specific.

Being unserious would be him not making these proposals at all. All he can do is hope Congress would approve the idea,

The Mythical Obama Spending Binge | The New Republic

The notion that the Obama administration has presided over a massive spending binge has been repeated so often that the administration doesn't even bother denying it anymore. Spending has shot up as a percentage of GDP. But, as Paul Krugman explains, virtually the entire phenomenon is an automatic response to the recession rather than any policy change. First, about half the increase in the percentage of GDP going to government spending is simply reflects the economic crisis, which has shrunk the denominator.

No. Unserious are proposals that he knows will go nowhere and wouldn't dent the budget anyway because the cuts take place long after he has left office and he (and Congress) have no ability to bind future Congresses and presidents.
He made the proposals for specific benefit: Namely his own re-election so he could dupe idiots like you into believing he actually takes deficits seriously.

 

[The Rabbi]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

Obama's deficits are bigger than Reagan's entire budget. And Congress passes budgets. Reagan made that plain when he dropped the budget on the podium.

 

[Seawytch]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

Reagan grew the debt by 189%, Bush I by 55%, Clinton by 36%, Bush II by 89%. President Obama has increased it by 41%. He's got some catching up to do if he's going to come anywhere near the GOP's Messiah, Reagan.

 

[Billy000]

OK. so what's the issue? Obama has spent more money than every president combined. His mentions of debt reduction are simply political lip service. HE is the most unserious player in debt reduction out there. Because spending benefits specific desired constituents while cutting doesn't help anyone specific.

Being unserious would be him not making these proposals at all. All he can do is hope Congress would approve the idea,

The Mythical Obama Spending Binge | The New Republic

The notion that the Obama administration has presided over a massive spending binge has been repeated so often that the administration doesn't even bother denying it anymore. Spending has shot up as a percentage of GDP. But, as Paul Krugman explains, virtually the entire phenomenon is an automatic response to the recession rather than any policy change. First, about half the increase in the percentage of GDP going to government spending is simply reflects the economic crisis, which has shrunk the denominator.

No. Unserious are proposals that he knows will go nowhere and wouldn't dent the budget anyway because the cuts take place long after he has left office and he (and Congress) have no ability to bind future Congresses and presidents.
He made the proposals for specific benefit: Namely his own re-election so he could dupe idiots like you into believing he actually takes deficits seriously.

Everything you say is just laughable conjecture lol. Just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it's true.

You are just wasting time on this thread.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

Obama's deficits are bigger than Reagan's entire budget. And Congress passes budgets. Reagan made that plain when he dropped the budget on the podium.

Low taxes for the wealthy caused the entire thing. Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993-94 and balanced the annual budget....actually bought back $450 billion of our debt. The entire thing was on track to pay off by 2012 and then George W. Bush cut taxes twice and the rest is history:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Skull Pilot]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

You obviously didn't see this post

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/206811-happy-birthday-president-reagan.html#post4771542

Why don't you try using that atrophied brain of yours for something other than pigeonholing?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Reduce the deficit by taking more from people instead of cutting spending is fucking ignorant.

Only an utter moron would parrot this shit as good attempts to save the economy.

What is wrong with doing both exactly?

If you take from the people, they have less, forcing them to spend less, creating a drop in demand for products, causing companies to look elsewhere for profits.

 

[Full-Auto]

So just how responsible is Obama when it comes to government spending?


100%

Congress has NOTHING to do with spending.


It is Obamas fault.

It has ALWAYS been Obamas fault.

Has he ever vetoed a spending bill?

Reagan quadrupled the national debt because of low taxes for the wealthy. Seven of the eight years he got less than he asked for. The debt mess is Reagan and the Bushes fault.

Asswipe....

Explain how Reagen did that with a dem congress.

 

[Billy000]

Reduce the deficit by taking more from people instead of cutting spending is fucking ignorant.

Only an utter moron would parrot this shit as good attempts to save the economy.

What is wrong with doing both exactly?

If you take from the people, they have less, forcing them to spend less, creating a drop in demand for products, causing companies to look elsewhere for profits.

Good point. I think it would depend on how much the middle class would be taxed. The top earners, however; could handle it,